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  • BroncoKazuki
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    Originally posted by fraguela09 View Post
    Henry should put his money where his mouth is. RESTRUCTURE baby! You get NO BONUS... You did nothing to earn it. If you want to return, then take the pay cut and we'll work out a cheap, incentive-laden contract where we place the carrot in front of the bunny rabbit!

    I'm torn on this issue...

    (1) It seems this is the year of the running back in this draft. So many talented ones... AND, with our 12th pick... we would have our pick of the litter. Basically, only Mcfadden will be off the table... That leaves Jones, Stewart, Mendenhall!

    (2) Henry and Young could be enough for next year. I question their ability to pick up yards in the red zone, or in 3rd/4th and short situations... BUT, game-to-game they could provide enough of a running game to make us happy.

    (3) We have so many holes... and only two day one picks. This would allow DEN to go in another direction in the first/second rounds.

    (4) Being that this draft is so deep at the RB position. We could draft a RB in the later rounds... Hope for another TD... Use this RB as a KR... Which would allow DEN to Draft a WR, not a WR/PR type.

    I think when it's all said and done, Shanny has a tough decision to make. Keep Walker and Henry? LEt one walk (which one). Seems like Henry wants in, while Walker wants out... Both have injury issues. Both are boom or bust. Could really help the offense, or could be on the IR?
    Your on the right track with your first thought, We have the pick of the litter with the best RB at number 12 and sliding down to the value of that RB gives us an very good option to get a 3rd round pick as well.

    I think we'll keep Henry at a smaller price and tell him, if he wants in then to be a fullback and show that he belongs out there by either carrying the rock with our new RB, lead blocking or pass protection.

    I think without a doubt we'll ship off walker and bring in a WR, with Cutler saying he wants someone else. not in those words but by his vouching for his old Receiver in Earl Bennett has sent some ripples that Jay has lost all if not most of his confidence in Javon.

    With this years draft being 50/50 (starters and depth) for DT, ILB and Safety. It would be full hearty to pull the trigger at number 12 those positions. As 2009 draft seems more of the Defense latent draft witch will by far eclipse this draft when it comes to DT's ILB and Safety.

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  • Max Power
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    Originally posted by fraguela09 View Post
    Henry should put his money where his mouth is. RESTRUCTURE baby! You get NO BONUS... You did nothing to earn it. If you want to return, then take the pay cut and we'll work out a cheap, incentive-laden contract where we place the carrot in front of the bunny rabbit!

    I'm torn on this issue...

    (1) It seems this is the year of the running back in this draft. So many talented ones... AND, with our 12th pick... we would have our pick of the litter. Basically, only Mcfadden will be off the table... That leaves Jones, Stewart, Mendenhall!

    (2) Henry and Young could be enough for next year. I question their ability to pick up yards in the red zone, or in 3rd/4th and short situations... BUT, game-to-game they could provide enough of a running game to make us happy.

    (3) We have so many holes... and only two day one picks. This would allow DEN to go in another direction in the first/second rounds.

    (4) Being that this draft is so deep at the RB position. We could draft a RB in the later rounds... Hope for another TD... Use this RB as a KR... Which would allow DEN to Draft a WR, not a WR/PR type.

    I think when it's all said and done, Shanny has a tough decision to make. Keep Walker and Henry? LEt one walk (which one). Seems like Henry wants in, while Walker wants out... Both have injury issues. Both are boom or bust. Could really help the offense, or could be on the IR?
    I think I'd lean more towards keeping Henry rather Walker given the choice at this point. Like you pointed out, Henry wants to be here but Javon doesn't. We don't need the potential distraction of Javon holding out in TC demanding a trade, so if he continues to be a problem, get rid of him. Get rid of him before he becomes a major distraction.

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  • BroncoKazuki
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    Originally posted by MHS View Post
    then you dont know me.... im about balance... having a good core of players on both sides with more talent around them. And so your saying we should just let our defense stay horrible and try to make an offense that can keep up with the chargers patriots colts... im sorry that is not going to happen. No one will come close to being able to keep up with the patriots and colts in a shootout. They have two of the best qb's playing the game with the best WR in the game. Us drafting a RB is not going to help our chances of beating them. The only way to beat the colts and patriots is to get pressure on them and smash their offense in the mouth while we still are able to score a good amount of points. Our offense now can move the ball well just needs to work on the redzone offense that has beein a problem for a long time. Fix that then our offense is good and is a few pieces away from great. As for the defense we need to get safties that can cover DT that can stop the run LB's that can tackle. There is alot more problems on defense then on offense and if the defense does not get the players now the broncos have no chance next year. Mendenhall will not help us beat the patriots colts and chargers but a DT that can stop the run can along with a LB that can stop the run and a safety that can help cover and not leave it all to champ and bly can.

    Top Defenses take time before they become the top teir Defenses. The last top Defense to win a SuperBowl was... uh 2001 I believe and that was the Ravens.

    Last year the Colts steamed rolled over one of the Most talented Defenses in the NFL. I see where the best defense got them .
    While the Bears try to build up their offense their defense will slide, Such is the habits of those who think more of the Defensive side the the offensive side.

    Its a proven system that no matter how Big, Strong impenetrable defense, there will always be someone that can Decimate it.

    "sir we've been studying the Rebels attack pattern theres a problem."
    "A problem in our moment of triumph"
    (few seconds later Death Star Blows up)
    "Yeahhhoooooo Great Shot Kid thats one in a million!"

    The Colts while being still competitive were able to build a strong offense and able to tweak the defense into a strong contender. I cannot see why we cant do the same thing.

    It would be foolhearty if we keep thinking we'll find another Davis in the later rounds. I said somewhere before, if we keep taking scrub backs, no matter how well we do on the Defensive side of the ball, with the in-effectiveness of our Offensive run game to score will lead us to keep going into neutral.

    Theres a reason why they compare Cutler's Slinger Mentality to Frave's. Also look what a run game did for Farve, it make sure to take pressure off of him so he can work at a steady pace without forcing the ball into problem areas. Even tho both QB's could do it 5 out of 10 those triple coverage shots will end up in Ints.

    THis year we fix the Offense, get Depth wise on the defense then next year we fill those final gaps on the Defensive side.

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  • fraguela09
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    Henry should put his money where his mouth is. RESTRUCTURE baby! You get NO BONUS... You did nothing to earn it. If you want to return, then take the pay cut and we'll work out a cheap, incentive-laden contract where we place the carrot in front of the bunny rabbit!

    I'm torn on this issue...

    (1) It seems this is the year of the running back in this draft. So many talented ones... AND, with our 12th pick... we would have our pick of the litter. Basically, only Mcfadden will be off the table... That leaves Jones, Stewart, Mendenhall!

    (2) Henry and Young could be enough for next year. I question their ability to pick up yards in the red zone, or in 3rd/4th and short situations... BUT, game-to-game they could provide enough of a running game to make us happy.

    (3) We have so many holes... and only two day one picks. This would allow DEN to go in another direction in the first/second rounds.

    (4) Being that this draft is so deep at the RB position. We could draft a RB in the later rounds... Hope for another TD... Use this RB as a KR... Which would allow DEN to Draft a WR, not a WR/PR type.

    I think when it's all said and done, Shanny has a tough decision to make. Keep Walker and Henry? LEt one walk (which one). Seems like Henry wants in, while Walker wants out... Both have injury issues. Both are boom or bust. Could really help the offense, or could be on the IR?

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  • MHS
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    Originally posted by lancane View Post
    And how do we win against powerful offenses that even elite defenses could do little against? Huh...then we blame the defense more and not the inability to score? Fact is that you're a defensive fan, I can tell one a mile away...so nothing short of a top ten defense will make you happy, but just so you know the Chargers had the 16th overall defense and a top 5 offensive unit, so how did they whoop us so badly? Because we could not score, our offense though overall yards were okay was one of the worst in the scoring, and yes...I still think the defense needs help, but we can not ignore the offense or we will be right back here again next year...IMHO the best way to fix the defense is a soft step approach, trade the 12th overall pick for the 15th overall pick adding Shaun Rogers, then draft heavy offense on day one HB/WR/OL, then on day two add the best defensive players available, or use another day one pick on a safety or linebacker, but that shows balance, then where ever we are short next year would be priority and we likely would have fewer holes. Just cause the defense let us get lit up now and then does not mean they completely suck, I remember the year we went to the playoffs and to the AFCCG with Plummer, we had a great overall offense and a good overall defense, but we still had games where we were lit up by a superior offense...
    then you dont know me.... im about balance... having a good core of players on both sides with more talent around them. And so your saying we should just let our defense stay horrible and try to make an offense that can keep up with the chargers patriots colts... im sorry that is not going to happen. No one will come close to being able to keep up with the patriots and colts in a shootout. They have two of the best qb's playing the game with the best WR in the game. Us drafting a RB is not going to help our chances of beating them. The only way to beat the colts and patriots is to get pressure on them and smash their offense in the mouth while we still are able to score a good amount of points. Our offense now can move the ball well just needs to work on the redzone offense that has beein a problem for a long time. Fix that then our offense is good and is a few pieces away from great. As for the defense we need to get safties that can cover DT that can stop the run LB's that can tackle. There is alot more problems on defense then on offense and if the defense does not get the players now the broncos have no chance next year. Mendenhall will not help us beat the patriots colts and chargers but a DT that can stop the run can along with a LB that can stop the run and a safety that can help cover and not leave it all to champ and bly can.

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  • lancane
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    Originally posted by JoRo View Post
    Something tells me we are going to read about Lanc gettin sent to hang with Ron Mexico for kicking cats
    "Ron Mehico is a bad mofo"...lol. Naw, I would rather go hang with Henry so next time he starts smoking the green sticky I can say I was an eye witness...lmao, they can even test me so I can claim that like him it was second hand, maybe Henry should run for president - "I did not inhale it though!" LOL...okay I need to get off Henry, even if he can not stay off women, I have better self control...whoops, did I say that?

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  • JoRo
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    Originally posted by lancane View Post
    LMFAO...do not kick the puppies, kick a cat...they make better whinning noises when kicked...lol. (((Kidding)))

    Something tells me we are going to read about Lanc gettin sent to hang with Ron Mexico for kicking cats

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  • lancane
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    Originally posted by JoRo View Post
    and the idea that we passed on Barber due to "medical reasons" makes me want to kick puppies
    LMFAO...do not kick the puppies, kick a cat...they make better whinning noises when kicked...lol. (((Kidding)))

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  • lancane
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    Originally posted by Dream View Post
    Can we not talk about Maurice? Ted's blatant lies and disrespect to the fans regarding the situation makes me want to punch children.
    Hahaha...I see your not a fan of Ted 'I Lie, and suck at my job' Sundquist either!

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  • JoRo
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    Originally posted by Dream View Post
    Can we not talk about Maurice? Ted's blatant lies and disrespect to the fans regarding the situation makes me want to punch children.
    and the idea that we passed on Barber due to "medical reasons" makes me want to kick puppies

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  • Dream
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    Can we not talk about Maurice? Ted's blatant lies and disrespect to the fans regarding the situation makes me want to punch children.

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  • lancane
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    Originally posted by MHS View Post
    by leaving the defense the same we will only regress. Lynch will not play beyond this year seeing how hard it is for him to make up his mind this year. Gold and webster need to be replace sooner rather than later. The defense is where all alot of the age is and if the broncos dont bring in top talent now to replace the aging vets in the next 2 years the broncos will be set back another 3 years from being a contender. And the 30 to 40 thing was just me picking randon numbers trying to say that even if we can score we will be outscored every time if we draft offense in the first round.

    If you want to bring in stats then you would see that the broncos gave up 26 while only scoring only 20 which gives a modest comparison to how bad our defense really was. We lost by and average of 10 points and were outscored by a total of 150 points in our losses. It will be much easier to fix the defense then by going along thinking we can match the high power afc offenses.

    we allowed the lions to put up 44 points, the raider to put up 34 points and the texans 31. To me that doesnt show any type of defense at all not even solid or ok defense. The broncos had no defense last year but if the broncos bring in a few top young rookie defensive prospects at the very least we will have young talent to work with, and not just as backups but as starters next year.
    And how do we win against powerful offenses that even elite defenses could do little against? Huh...then we blame the defense more and not the inability to score? Fact is that you're a defensive fan, I can tell one a mile away...so nothing short of a top ten defense will make you happy, but just so you know the Chargers had the 16th overall defense and a top 5 offensive unit, so how did they whoop us so badly? Because we could not score, our offense though overall yards were okay was one of the worst in the scoring, and yes...I still think the defense needs help, but we can not ignore the offense or we will be right back here again next year...IMHO the best way to fix the defense is a soft step approach, trade the 12th overall pick for the 15th overall pick adding Shaun Rogers, then draft heavy offense on day one HB/WR/OL, then on day two add the best defensive players available, or use another day one pick on a safety or linebacker, but that shows balance, then where ever we are short next year would be priority and we likely would have fewer holes. Just cause the defense let us get lit up now and then does not mean they completely suck, I remember the year we went to the playoffs and to the AFCCG with Plummer, we had a great overall offense and a good overall defense, but we still had games where we were lit up by a superior offense...

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  • JoRo
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    I think as I usually tend to be I am fairly neutral on this. I could see why Shanny would keep him, but if he does I really do think it will have to be at a reduced salary...(like I said before if we keep him at his current salary we are nuts)

    If we cut him though we save 6 mill in an option bonus I am fairly sure.... I know we take a hit but we save some money too.

    I think when he is healthy he is an ok back, but no means do I think he can be a full time #1 typa back without any sort of platoon, or at least it doesn't look that way to me and I wouldn't do it as a coach. I think that IF he stays he will be the "starter" but split the carries with Young (who Shanny seems to really like but stated he won't be able to take that many carries)

    If we do cut Henry I am starting to really feel like Mendenhall is the only back we would take in the first (unless McFadden falls but DOUBTFULL) at 12 and say "be the starter" and then only if Shanny falls for him like he said he felt about Maroney. (not us but Shanny) (also... I know this will be argued but Shanny was right on Maroney he is one of the better backs in the league when NE does run the ball...so Shanny can at least be a good judge of talent at RB I think)if he doesn't I think we will take some other sort of "power" back we can platoon with Young later in the draft like say Choice or Forte.

    My 2 Cents right now

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  • MHS
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    Originally posted by lancane View Post
    Opinions vary...especially since even our shotty defense last year gave up only an average of 21 points a game...your argument is moot, cause if we put up 30 points a game, even this past year we would have been 11-5!

    by leaving the defense the same we will only regress. Lynch will not play beyond this year seeing how hard it is for him to make up his mind this year. Gold and webster need to be replace sooner rather than later. The defense is where all alot of the age is and if the broncos dont bring in top talent now to replace the aging vets in the next 2 years the broncos will be set back another 3 years from being a contender. And the 30 to 40 thing was just me picking randon numbers trying to say that even if we can score we will be outscored every time if we draft offense in the first round.

    If you want to bring in stats then you would see that the broncos gave up 26 while only scoring only 20 which gives a modest comparison to how bad our defense really was. We lost by and average of 10 points and were outscored by a total of 150 points in our losses. It will be much easier to fix the defense then by going along thinking we can match the high power afc offenses.

    we allowed the lions to put up 44 points, the raider to put up 34 points and the texans 31. To me that doesnt show any type of defense at all not even solid or ok defense. The broncos had no defense last year but if the broncos bring in a few top young rookie defensive prospects at the very least we will have young talent to work with, and not just as backups but as starters next year.

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  • lancane
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    Originally posted by elwayfan805 View Post
    me too and the worst part is we could have got marion barber
    Yep, then we would have never signed Henry and this argument would not be taking place, as I stated. But right now I will laugh at everyone Pro Henry, because this will happen again next year, and the year after that till Shanahan pulls the trigger and gets us a real halfback, but then again...I still think Henry is a goner, at least as a starter here.

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