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[lancane]

I think people are giving you a hard time for Kenny Philips at #12. I don't think that is much of a reach...I think we'd be lucky if he's still available there.

I won't change my mind on him till the combine and his performance drops there.

He has already been dropped by both Kiper and Mayock, it does not get much worse then that! Sorry but I will tell you that what those two say and especially when they agree is very likely to be true...no matter what anyone on this board thinks...Phillips will likely go to someone in the twenty something area, if not fall into the top of the second. The problem is that too many on these boards are listening to too many online draft sites who do not have that credibility such as Mayock, Kiper or McShay.

[BroncoKazuki]

So I take it your a pro scout with that kind of answer?

Since you aren't, this post is all your opinion of stuff and you probably haven't even seen most of these players play. You apparently have no clue how to value personell either because Shannahan doesn't draft like you are saying. You reading a couple of other poster's posts, does not make you smarter than the original poster.

First off, there hasn't been a combine yet so you and I (and everyone else) have no clue about where people will be graded. I guess if this was your first draft, you would think the combine doesn't matter.

Phillips will be a top 15 pick because of his measurables. Unless he takes an injury before the combine, he will be back to his pre-senior bowl projection. I'm not even really sure as to why he has fallen in the last couple of weeks. People didn't talk about him falling during the time that he was actually playing though. Also, since when is safety not a need and not valuable? Have you seen some defenses, such as the Colts, that lose and then get back a good safety? It is a completely different defense whenever it happens.

With the second round pick, I would agree that the trade is unrealistic along with most every one that is named on these boards. Other than that, since when has Shanny ever drafted a player to please another player on the team? I highly doubt that happens. If they like the receiver, and he is the best option where we pick, then he will get picked. Cutler has no influence or say on the matter.

The rest of your post is strictly opinionated statements. I find it funny that your last 2 paragraphs try to act as though you are smart and the original poster knows nothing. It is obvious that you do not know any more than he does.

I have one thing to say about a RB on the first day. We have a TON of money being spent at the RB position right now and we have a lot of them. When in the history of Mike Shannahan have we ever spent that much on RB's? Why is it that people think we are getting a top one? Unless Travis Henry is gone by the draft or Shannahan sees the next TD, it is very unlikely that we get a RB before round 4.

I do read alot... So I do have a slight holding on what Im saying.

Yes its opinion but there's has to be a sense of slight reality to it and the reality is Phillips is dropping to the bottom of the 1st round draft board. Even if he does grade out to be higher then what he is right now, he's only benefiting from the weak safety class this year. Next Year Phillips would never make it into the top 10 let alone the top 20.


You know the same thing was said about a Quarterback Position not so long ago. Guess what happen oh thats right we Drafted Jay Cutler instead of an RB because Plummer was about due to go back to his normal blundering self.

So the reality is, its not that far fetched as everyone thinks it is.

Hall/Young/Henry/Bell cannot keep a full tank of gas without going dim.

[jhns]

I do read alot... So I do have a slight holding on what Im saying.

Yes its opinion but there's has to be a sense of slight reality to it and the reality is Phillips is dropping to the bottom of the 1st round draft board. Even if he does grade out to be higher then what he is right now, he's only benefiting from the weak safety class this year. Next Year Phillips would never make it into the top 10 let alone the top 20.


You know the same thing was said about a Quarterback Position not so long ago. Guess what happen oh thats right we Drafted Jay Cutler instead of an RB because Plummer was about due to go back to his normal blundering self.

So the reality is, its not that far fetched as everyone thinks it is.

Hall/Young/Henry/Bell cannot keep a full tank of gas without going dim.

People only said we wouldn't draft a QB because they still had faith in Plummer. That is way different than the RB position here in Denver. Like I said, there is no way we get a first day RB if Henry is still on the team on draft day. The only circumstance that he is still here and we take a top back is if he restructurs his contract to a much smaller one. It takes a very short history lesson to figure that out.

Again, Phillips has only dropped recently. When he was playing and everyone else was playing, he was considered a top 15 pick by everyone. It has only been in the offseason that his stock has dropped.

Also, what you read is opinionated articles. Those do not make you more of an expert than others. Those guys do not know much either. It is very evident by looking at who they hype and where the guys actually go every year, and then what they do with their carriers. Most analysts are no better than people here on this board. So as I said, unless you are some kind of pro scout, your opinion is no better than the rest of ours. Most here read a lot about this stuff and that is obvious by our time spent here.

I have to add that even pro scouts and HC's are no better than most. If they where, there wouldn't be so many busts and there would be hardly any first day busts. There also wouldn't be all pro's that came out of the 6th round.

I just hate all the poeple acting as though they know more than others about the draft. Some poeple do analyze some prospects themselves, with limited footage, and can get a better grasp of those individuals. Noone here studies them all and probably very few here, if any, get actual game tape. I don't get why anyone would think they are more of an expert than the next guy and I definatly don't get why you would make a statement that pretty much says the other person doesn't know what they are talking about, and that you do. A lot of people here do it and it was just your post that made me finally say something, so not all of this is only directed at you. Very annoying.

[BroncoKazuki]

People only said we wouldn't draft a QB because they still had faith in Plummer. That is way different than the RB position here in Denver. Like I said, there is no way we get a first day RB if Henry is still on the team on draft day. It takes a very short history lesson to figure that out.

you may not like the idea but the possibility to substantially upgrade the RB position is in the here and now. Denver's got a chance to do so at the position its at the 12th spot.

Sure Denver not taking an RB in the 1st is the History, but how long has the RB position been in flux with no real true back. Since 2003 right, right after we traded Portis. After that we've had no stable back at all. Yes we've gotten 1000 yard backs but no real stable one. There was that Tatum Bell experiment for 3 years he did run out of gas during the Playoffs in '05 and barely managed a meager 1000 yards in 2006.

So yea when I'm saying RB is a problem I'm looking at the past and its just showing that we had no stable back after we traded away Portis.

Sure the glamor of the RBC has awed people but in reality the luster has come off and its being exposed for what it is, just a way to compensate for the faults of the RB's we have right now.

Again, Phillips has only dropped recently. When he was playing and everyone else was playing, he was considered a top 15 pick by everyone. It has only been in the offseason that his stock has dropped.

Also, what you read is opinionated articles. Those do not make you more of an expert than others. Those guys do not know much either. It is very evident by looking at who they hype and where the guys actually go every year, and then what they do with their carriers. Most analysts are no better than people here on this board. So as I said, unless you are some kind of pro scout, your opinion is no better than the rest of ours. Most here read a lot about this stuff and that is obvious by our time spent here.

I have to add that even pro scouts and HC's are no better than most. If they where, there wouldn't be so many busts and there would be hardly any first day busts. There also wouldn't be all pro's that came out of the 6th round.

I just hate all the poeple acting as though they know more than others about the draft. Some poeple do analyze some prospects themselves, with limited footage, and can get a better grasp of those individuals. Noone here studies them all and probably very few here, if any, get actual game tape. I don't get why anyone would think they are more of an expert than the next guy and I definatly don't get why you would make a statement that pretty much says the other person doesn't know what they are talking about, and that you do. A lot of people here do it and it was just your post that made me finally say something, so not all of this is only directed at you. Very annoying.

People like Kilper and Mayock do this kind of thing for a living and get paid to do so, so even thought I read their stuff I do take what they say with a grain of truth because I mean they get 'paid' to do so. Same with some of the stuff on ESPN articles.

Sure Phillips may drop but the thing is where is he going to land after the combine. That right there is debatable. Also each other scout site has Phillips up in the top 15, but some other writers have Phillips falling.

Not knocking the kid but I rather go after someone for the D-line then Safety. I'm not a professional scout, I do read a lot about different players. I was also a former athlete as well, and I know that the first part should be taken is at the D-line not Safety. Your secondary is only as good as the Front 7.

So in that respect I wouldn't touch Phillips at all I would be looking for the 3rd best DT that we can take. Now the thought should be that do not address safety until the D-line is addressed first. That means well to me and this is opinion is that I wouldn't touch Phillips at all until I fix the D-line. Now without wasting the 12th pick I would either sure up the O-line (LT) or deconstruct Henry's Contract, push Hall to the Practice Squad, and upgrade the RB. Then address the D-line in the 2nd round with Laws or Moore. Then Safety in 4th round. Yet thats me.

[MindField]

He has already been dropped by both Kiper and Mayock, it does not get much worse then that! Sorry but I will tell you that what those two say and especially when they agree is very likely to be true...no matter what anyone on this board thinks...Phillips will likely go to someone in the twenty something area, if not fall into the top of the second. The problem is that too many on these boards are listening to too many online draft sites who do not have that credibility such as Mayock, Kiper or McShay.

Yeah, and Meriweather fell out of the first round until he went to the Combine as well.

Don't worry, when all is said and done, Phillips will be one of the Prime Movers upward, count on it.

[stnzed]

The Broncos get a Safety! Ya!

Championship.

I'm beginning to agree with MindField, this is starting to look like one of the worst drafts in recent memory.

12th pick in the draft and there isn't one single defensive player worth taking......

[haciendadad]

Not liking the a punter being drafted in anything lower than a 7th round, maybe 6th.

I think we are fine with the FBs we have now, not a pressing need this year and the position is not keeping us from winning games.

About Phillips, the real question is which other teams need a Safety? If there aren't any that are drafting just below the Broncos then he may slip to the 12th or even later and the Broncos can trade back and pick up a later round pick and possibly use it on a punter.

What about MLB? That is a pressing need now! I kinda like Beau Bell, he knows how to tackle and rush the QB. He had an ankle injury last year but I don't see those kind of injuries as reoccurring.