Getting more picks!!!

[KWHIT97]

So I was thinking, since we are doing absolutely nothing to fill any of our needs in FA, it will all be through the draft I have got a feeling that we could very well end up with the number 1 pick in 09, so what if we trade back far enough this year to acquire another 1st next year, that way we will not only have the 1st overall pick but as later pick as well, that's right, I'm already looking ahead to 09' I'm hoping Shanny will get the boot by then!!!

But seriously I'm trying to think of a way to get a couple more picks this year!

1. Hope someone signs Foxy to the 3rd round tender (we need a 3rd rounder)

2. unless Dorsey, Ellis, or McFadden fall to us at 12 we should definatly trade back and try to acquire another 2nd or a 3rd, and maybe a day 1 pick in 09!

It's pretty odvious that we will have to fill all of our needs through the draft, which I hate because Mike will reach on players all weekend. We have these needs (in no particular order) FB, WR/KR, OT, 2 DT's, LB, CB (if Foxy leaves), S, P, and now K!

That's 10 picks, we only have 8, so we will need to some finagaling to try and get a couple more!!!

[Max Power]

Yeah, trading down seems like the best option. I'd hate to reach for Chris Williams at #12 when we could still get him at #20 probably, and if he's not there, big deal.

[redsandcowboy]

Why So Negative

What has happened that we are that much worse than we were this year!!!!!

I agree I wish we would be more active in FA. But that does not mean we have to go after every so called top prospect. there are still alot of FA left. If we do nothing then we can anilize after the draft.

We had alot og injuries last year that contributed to our season. What have we lost. Javon might hurt but how much did he play last year. Not much. We cut ian Gold. Well most on here would say that improved our team.(LOL) The only people that I think we lost that will dramatically effect us is Lepsis which was hurt last year also and Elam. Leving elam the only true contibutor that we will miss. but that does not any where leave us fininshing with the number one pick in the draft.


What the lack of top FA mean is that we shoud not have to reach in the draft. We are not just 1 or 2 players from the best. This meads we ca ntake the BPA at where we draft at. We are 1 or 2 years away is all. If we do this we will build through the draft and the middle level FA can help along the the way. Getting mid level FA with good leadership will help the young talent com along faster.

This brings inthat we do have alot of young talent that you are not giving any credit to. These young players got alot of valuable experience last year along wit hthe lumps. But the lumps can help them develop into pros.

I do not now how everyone will develop this year but I do not believe in being so negative when we have done NOTHING to drop that far. Just wait and see how the rest of the off season goes.











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[Accordngs]

So I was thinking, since we are doing absolutely nothing to fill any of our needs in FA, it will all be through the draft I have got a feeling that we could very well end up with the number 1 pick in 09, so what if we trade back far enough this year to acquire another 1st next year, that way we will not only have the 1st overall pick but as later pick as well, that's right, I'm already looking ahead to 09' I'm hoping Shanny will get the boot by then!!!

But seriously I'm trying to think of a way to get a couple more picks this year!

1. Hope someone signs Foxy to the 3rd round tender (we need a 3rd rounder)

2. unless Dorsey, Ellis, or McFadden fall to us at 12 we should definatly trade back and try to acquire another 2nd or a 3rd, and maybe a day 1 pick in 09!

It's pretty odvious that we will have to fill all of our needs through the draft, which I hate because Mike will reach on players all weekend. We have these needs (in no particular order) FB, WR/KR, OT, 2 DT's, LB, CB (if Foxy leaves), S, P, and now K!

That's 10 picks, we only have 8, so we will need to some finagaling to try and get a couple more!!!

I wouldn't mind us trading to a later spot in the first round either and stock piling picks. But if most of the mock drafts are right....at 12 there might not be a guy that other teams are willing to trade up for.

[Cugel]

What has happened that we are that much worse than we were this year!!!!!

I agree I wish we would be more active in FA. But that does not mean we have to go after every so called top prospect. there are still alot of FA left. If we do nothing then we can anilize after the draft.

We had alot og injuries last year that contributed to our season. What have we lost. Javon might hurt but how much did he play last year. Not much. We cut ian Gold. Well most on here would say that improved our team.(LOL) The only people that I think we lost that will dramatically effect us is Lepsis which was hurt last year also and Elam. Leving elam the only true contibutor that we will miss. but that does not any where leave us fininshing with the number one pick in the draft.


What the lack of top FA mean is that we shoud not have to reach in the draft. We are not just 1 or 2 players from the best. This meads we ca ntake the BPA at where we draft at. We are 1 or 2 years away is all. If we do this we will build through the draft and the middle level FA can help along the the way. Getting mid level FA with good leadership will help the young talent com along faster.

This brings inthat we do have alot of young talent that you are not giving any credit to. These young players got alot of valuable experience last year along wit hthe lumps. But the lumps can help them develop into pros.

I do not now how everyone will develop this year but I do not believe in being so negative when we have done NOTHING to drop that far. Just wait and see how the rest of the off season goes.

There is one GLARING weakness on this team. Run defense, which totally sucked in 2007. The reason it sucked was because Denver totally lacked any good, or even decent DTs.

Well, they fire Bates and Slowik comes in and says that strengthening the run defense is a priority this off season.

Fine! So, then rumors abound about the Broncos being involved in a 3 way trade for either Detroit DT Shaun Rogers or Jets DT DeWayne Robertson. They desperately need either one!

Then nothing happens and both are traded to other teams! (Robertson is even traded for a 4th and 5th round picks which Denver could easily have done!)

So, now it's going to be another horrible season with teams running over the Broncos. Last year when fans questioned how in the world it was ever going to work out with Sam Adams playing about 10 downs a game, and total nobodies like Antwon Burton and Amon Gordon starting at DT, we were told to "be patient."

Well, it was a total disaster and all three: Adams, Burton and Gordon were CUT by mid-season and the Broncos (lacking any GOOD DTs) had to put 8 men in the box to stop the run. It didn't even work. LT still ran over the defense like it was a speed-bump.

The Broncos finished near the bottom of the league in run defense, teams were able to pass to wide open WRs over the middle because the LBs had to commit to stop the run, etc. It was a total fiasco and the team finished 7-9.

Quite honestly, the team was a lot worse than 7-9 when you consider the three last second FGs to win. They could just as easily have been 4-12.

Well, what has gotten better? NOTHING! I'm all for improving via the draft, but Denver needs TWO DTs, one a veteran, and one via the draft to groom to take over the starting job in 2009. And even then they would be woefully thin at DT with a backup rotation of Alvin McKinley and God-knows who (Kenny Peterson?)

Even this crumb of comfort is denied us fans! The team hasn't signed anybody and isn't likely to.

It's going to be another LONG season folks, because even if they draft a rookie DT and he turns out to be great it will take several years for him to mature and who 's going to start and stop the run NOW, in 2008?

Then to top it off, their only HOPE at DT, Marcus Thomas gets busted for cocaine possession! While I don't think he'll be bounced from the league for this, since his drug test was supposedly negative, this doesn't inspire a lot of confidence going forward.

Now, all you orange-colored glasses folks, tell me where I'm wrong, and I'll point you to about 100 similar threads from last year making the same tired arguments.

Without DTs this team isn't going anywhere. It all starts in the trenches and they don't have the players to compete!

[cutlerfan]

Yeah, trading down seems like the best option. I'd hate to reach for Chris Williams at #12 when we could still get him at #20 probably, and if he's not there, big deal.

I think that is what we will do. I don't know if Williams will be at #20 maybe 15-18 range and if we could get a third round pick. We really need that!

[Warhawk]

It's going to be another LONG season folks, because even if they draft a rookie DT and he turns out to be great it will take several years for him to mature and who 's going to start and stop the run NOW, in 2008?

Then to top it off, their only HOPE at DT, Marcus Thomas gets busted for cocaine possession! While I don't think he'll be bounced from the league for this, since his drug test was supposedly negative, this doesn't inspire a lot of confidence going forward.

You're pretty much dead on with this assessment. Hopefully the DT's we already have can elevate their game. Even then, we definitely need to grab a veteran body from the bottom of the FA garbage pile (Ian Scott?).

As it stands, I pity the rookie DT who comes into this situation...

[redsandcowboy]

There is one GLARING weakness on this team. Run defense, which totally sucked in 2007. The reason it sucked was because Denver totally lacked any good, or even decent DTs.

Well, they fire Bates and Slowik comes in and says that strengthening the run defense is a priority this off season.

Fine! So, then rumors abound about the Broncos being involved in a 3 way trade for either Detroit DT Shaun Rogers or Jets DT DeWayne Robertson. They desperately need either one!

Then nothing happens and both are traded to other teams! (Robertson is even traded for a 4th and 5th round picks which Denver could easily have done!)

So, now it's going to be another horrible season with teams running over the Broncos. Last year when fans questioned how in the world it was ever going to work out with Sam Adams playing about 10 downs a game, and total nobodies like Antwon Burton and Amon Gordon starting at DT, we were told to "be patient."

Well, it was a total disaster and all three: Adams, Burton and Gordon were CUT by mid-season and the Broncos (lacking any GOOD DTs) had to put 8 men in the box to stop the run. It didn't even work. LT still ran over the defense like it was a speed-bump.

The Broncos finished near the bottom of the league in run defense, teams were able to pass to wide open WRs over the middle because the LBs had to commit to stop the run, etc. It was a total fiasco and the team finished 7-9.

Quite honestly, the team was a lot worse than 7-9 when you consider the three last second FGs to win. They could just as easily have been 4-12.

Well, what has gotten better? NOTHING! I'm all for improving via the draft, but Denver needs TWO DTs, one a veteran, and one via the draft to groom to take over the starting job in 2009. And even then they would be woefully thin at DT with a backup rotation of Alvin McKinley and God-knows who (Kenny Peterson?)

Even this crumb of comfort is denied us fans! The team hasn't signed anybody and isn't likely to.

It's going to be another LONG season folks, because even if they draft a rookie DT and he turns out to be great it will take several years for him to mature and who 's going to start and stop the run NOW, in 2008?

Then to top it off, their only HOPE at DT, Marcus Thomas gets busted for cocaine possession! While I don't think he'll be bounced from the league for this, since his drug test was supposedly negative, this doesn't inspire a lot of confidence going forward.

Now, all you orange-colored glasses folks, tell me where I'm wrong, and I'll point you to about 100 similar threads from last year making the same tired arguments.

Without DTs this team isn't going anywhere. It all starts in the trenches and they don't have the players to compete!

BLAH BLAH BLAH is thatit
come on you proved my point.No we did not have a good season but we HAVE NOT gotten worse. AND we can be better with playing time ang grouth of our younger player that the ygot last year or 2.

I am not saying that we are going to be alot better or anything but you still can not say why we are all for worse. Be negitive if you want but be educated first and let the FA go and let the draft happen. Then lets see what happens in training camp. My gosh you just seem to to wish us to the bottom. If you dislike this team so much find a new one but you can not just say we are the worst wit hout having facts to stand behind.

No doubt last year was not pretty and we have not seen huge improvemants added thus this far but we hadd a couple to day and we still have alot of time togo. remeber there are another round of cuts to come as we and always seem to be 1 or 2 there. Plus we get everyone back and Healthy to start.

SO to rap up FACTS: We had numorous injuries last year. This year?
run def last year stunk Whether you think it was system or personel
this year. More experience of front line but have not lost anything but can not get worse.
LB DJ moved and new weak And gold
this year If dj stays middle/ better understanding and probly 2 new starters. overall probly improved
corner /safty getting older but good players. maybe one new starter this year but new def cor. Hard to tell but should be back to a def that works better ith our personel. Tossup if worse or better.

Over all DEF is always a guess but can not get to much worse. SO the bright side is UP.

Off we had alot of sucess at the end and should pickup where we left of. Several will be back healthy. SO at bare min. we should at least be as good and probably better.

SO you can say we will have anyother sub par year if we do not make many move and have A poor draft but at this point you can not say we are going to tank.

SORRY SO LONG JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND NEGATIVITY TO BE NEGATIVE BE FACTUAL IF YOU WANT TO SAY IT.

[VABronco37]

Solution is in the works.
A possiable trade up with this year's Draft Pick and maybe some of next year's.
Here is all of our draft picks and to be honest we don't look bad at all.
First Round: 12th
Second Round: 42nd Overall
Third Round: To Vikings
Forth Round: Our own and one from Redskins
Fifth Round: Our own and one from Raiders
Sixth Round: Our own
Seventh Round: Our own and one from Bucs(Jake Plummer deal)

So if we can wheel and deal, trade 1st, 2nd and our 4th to Atlanta for their 1st and a 5th round picks we could build that D-Line with either Chris Long or Vernon Gholston for the Ends or even go inside with Sedrick Ellis or Glenn Dorsey for our DTs.
To me honestly we need to get an End like Long or Gholston because of the Chargers and the Chiefs.
Really for LT, lol.....

[Broncoballa2684]

So I was thinking, since we are doing absolutely nothing to fill any of our needs in FA, it will all be through the draft I have got a feeling that we could very well end up with the number 1 pick in 09, so what if we trade back far enough this year to acquire another 1st next year, that way we will not only have the 1st overall pick but as later pick as well, that's right, I'm already looking ahead to 09' I'm hoping Shanny will get the boot by then!!!

But seriously I'm trying to think of a way to get a couple more picks this year!

1. Hope someone signs Foxy to the 3rd round tender (we need a 3rd rounder)

2. unless Dorsey, Ellis, or McFadden fall to us at 12 we should definatly trade back and try to acquire another 2nd or a 3rd, and maybe a day 1 pick in 09!

It's pretty odvious that we will have to fill all of our needs through the draft, which I hate because Mike will reach on players all weekend. We have these needs (in no particular order) FB, WR/KR, OT, 2 DT's, LB, CB (if Foxy leaves), S, P, and now K!

That's 10 picks, we only have 8, so we will need to some finagaling to try and get a couple more!!!

if we get DeWayne Robertson and Boss bailey before the draft than we will be in great shape i think we could draft a safety, lb, wr and oline and well be good to go.

[lancane]

Solution is in the works.
A possiable trade up with this year's Draft Pick and maybe some of next year's.
Here is all of our draft picks and to be honest we don't look bad at all.
First Round: 12th
Second Round: 42nd Overall
Third Round: To Vikings
Forth Round: Our own and one from Redskins
Fifth Round: Our own and one from Raiders
Sixth Round: Our own
Seventh Round: Our own and one from Bucs(Jake Plummer deal)

So if we can wheel and deal, trade 1st, 2nd and our 4th to Atlanta for their 1st and a 5th round picks we could build that D-Line with either Chris Long or Vernon Gholston for the Ends or even go inside with Sedrick Ellis or Glenn Dorsey for our DTs.
To me honestly we need to get an End like Long or Gholston because of the Chargers and the Chiefs.
Really for LT, lol.....

Get over it...we need a defensive end like we need Dennison, it might look good on paper but it was pointless and a waste of money! We have over seven defensive ends on the roster, it would be moronic for us getting another when you need a cruncher in the middle to stop the run, when it is easy to jet and go up the middle then teams will run more often and the current ends will get barely anything, but change it to where they have to pass and you can bust in the vault and get a sack from several blitz packages.

[VABronco37]

well I also said Ellis or Dorsey so we could get one of those two and who ever said we onlt have 8 draft picks...we got nine..read my list and count.

[KWHIT97]

There is one GLARING weakness on this team. Run defense, which totally sucked in 2007. The reason it sucked was because Denver totally lacked any good, or even decent DTs.

Well, they fire Bates and Slowik comes in and says that strengthening the run defense is a priority this off season.

Fine! So, then rumors abound about the Broncos being involved in a 3 way trade for either Detroit DT Shaun Rogers or Jets DT DeWayne Robertson. They desperately need either one!

Then nothing happens and both are traded to other teams! (Robertson is even traded for a 4th and 5th round picks which Denver could easily have done!)

So, now it's going to be another horrible season with teams running over the Broncos. Last year when fans questioned how in the world it was ever going to work out with Sam Adams playing about 10 downs a game, and total nobodies like Antwon Burton and Amon Gordon starting at DT, we were told to "be patient."

Well, it was a total disaster and all three: Adams, Burton and Gordon were CUT by mid-season and the Broncos (lacking any GOOD DTs) had to put 8 men in the box to stop the run. It didn't even work. LT still ran over the defense like it was a speed-bump.

The Broncos finished near the bottom of the league in run defense, teams were able to pass to wide open WRs over the middle because the LBs had to commit to stop the run, etc. It was a total fiasco and the team finished 7-9.

Quite honestly, the team was a lot worse than 7-9 when you consider the three last second FGs to win. They could just as easily have been 4-12.

Well, what has gotten better? NOTHING! I'm all for improving via the draft, but Denver needs TWO DTs, one a veteran, and one via the draft to groom to take over the starting job in 2009. And even then they would be woefully thin at DT with a backup rotation of Alvin McKinley and God-knows who (Kenny Peterson?)

Even this crumb of comfort is denied us fans! The team hasn't signed anybody and isn't likely to.

It's going to be another LONG season folks, because even if they draft a rookie DT and he turns out to be great it will take several years for him to mature and who 's going to start and stop the run NOW, in 2008?

Then to top it off, their only HOPE at DT, Marcus Thomas gets busted for cocaine possession! While I don't think he'll be bounced from the league for this, since his drug test was supposedly negative, this doesn't inspire a lot of confidence going forward.

Now, all you orange-colored glasses folks, tell me where I'm wrong, and I'll point you to about 100 similar threads from last year making the same tired arguments.

Without DTs this team isn't going anywhere. It all starts in the trenches and they don't have the players to compete!

My point exactly, at least someone understands my frustration!!!

[BroncoKazuki]

So I was thinking, since we are doing absolutely nothing to fill any of our needs in FA, it will all be through the draft I have got a feeling that we could very well end up with the number 1 pick in 09, so what if we trade back far enough this year to acquire another 1st next year, that way we will not only have the 1st overall pick but as later pick as well, that's right, I'm already looking ahead to 09' I'm hoping Shanny will get the boot by then!!!

But seriously I'm trying to think of a way to get a couple more picks this year!

1. Hope someone signs Foxy to the 3rd round tender (we need a 3rd rounder)

2. unless Dorsey, Ellis, or McFadden fall to us at 12 we should definatly trade back and try to acquire another 2nd or a 3rd, and maybe a day 1 pick in 09!

It's pretty odvious that we will have to fill all of our needs through the draft, which I hate because Mike will reach on players all weekend. We have these needs (in no particular order) FB, WR/KR, OT, 2 DT's, LB, CB (if Foxy leaves), S, P, and now K!

That's 10 picks, we only have 8, so we will need to some finagaling to try and get a couple more!!!

Ok at first, I didnt want to post but I guess I will.

First off trading the 12th seems like an 'easy' move but when you think about it coldly the only teams that will think about heavily trading for our 12th are those in the 18-25th pick that need that 'special player' to push them over the edge. So giving up an extra 2nd, 4th, 3rd ect would be easy because they will get that RB, OT, CB, that sits near the top 15. Where we get stuck with an area dead zone where we haven't had much success during the Shanahan era. Face it the best draft we had was picking in the top 15. I rather pick there then pick at 22nd and having someone like Connor busting in our faces.

Its more of a sounder logic to trade our 42nd (2nd round) pick to teams that would like to slide around in the 2nd round.

Think about it the 2nd round you can give up less while getting more. If you slide down twice. ie 42nd to 45th then 45th to 60th. you pick up essentially 2 picks (3rd and 5th) while only giving up an 7th and our higher spot in the 2nd.

That gives you more of a movement. Now if we can dump Foxworth on a team that needs a CB depth (NY Giants) then you can get that 3rd rounder tender for him easily. Epically with some CB's going faster then others the giants will have a hard time finding depth in a bunch of would be starters/special team players.

Now think if that happens we got a low 2nd then 2 3rds we can easily move up in the 3rd round by trading a low 3rd and 4th to a team that needs to fill more of their aging or depth (Minn) getting a mid or high 3rd back.

We dont need Massive amount of picks just enough picks to fill each hole well enough.