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    Ok i can understand an o line pick but for some reason i don't see us taking a left tackle. The coaches are very high on ryan harris who i hear is suited to take over. So i'm just wondering why everyone is saying left tackle. Now i'm not saying don't do it just asking to explain why and please don't bash just looking for honest answers here.

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    I agree completely, while everyone in here is convinced that we are targeting a guy like Chris Williams I know there is no way we go Tackle in the 1st round, I'll bet on it.

    If we do take a Tackle anywhere in the draft it will be on day 2 and it will be a guy that can play RT!!!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Broncos2024 View Post
      Ok i can understand an o line pick but for some reason i don't see us taking a left tackle. The coaches are very high on ryan harris who i hear is suited to take over. So i'm just wondering why everyone is saying left tackle. Now i'm not saying don't do it just asking to explain why and please don't bash just looking for honest answers here.
      Why would Denver select a LT?

      -Probably because their starting LT just retired......

      Whether or not Harris is going to start is irrevelant.............they need somebody to back him up then, besides he's basically just as unproven as any rook coming in.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by pipes View Post
        Why would Denver select a LT?

        -Probably because their starting LT just retired......

        Whether or not Harris is going to start is irrevelant.............they need somebody to back him up then, besides he's basically just as unproven as any rook coming in.
        but u don't take back ups in the 1st sorry i kinda meant for of first day selections should of been more clear.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Broncos2024 View Post
          but u don't take back ups in the 1st sorry i kinda meant for of first day selections should of been more clear.
          But why would someone like Ryan Clady or Chris Williams HAVE to be a backup? Ryan Harris, while may turn out to be solid, has shown nothing more on the football field than a rookie who we may potentially take early in the draft. I don't always buy that "oh the coaching staff is high on that guy" because that's been said about virtually everyone who's ever worn a Denver Broncos uniform and the majority of the players our staff is usually high on, well they usually end up either cut or never doing anything during the real games.

          Erik Pears is nothing special, so Ryan Harris at RT and one of these highly talented first round tackle prospects at LT would solidify our line for many, many years, if both of them panned out of course.
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          • #6
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            Originally posted by Spyder View Post
            But why would someone like Ryan Clady or Chris Williams HAVE to be a backup? Ryan Harris, while may turn out to be solid, has shown nothing more on the football field than a rookie who we may potentially take early in the draft. I don't always buy that "oh the coaching staff is high on that guy" because that's been said about virtually everyone who's ever worn a Denver Broncos uniform and the majority of the players our staff is usually high on, well they usually end up either cut or never doing anything during the real games.

            Erik Pears is nothing special, so Ryan Harris at RT and one of these highly talented first round tackle prospects at LT would solidify our line for many, many years, if both of them panned out of course.
            But that would be like saying we needed to draft a new qb the year of we drafted cutler cause he hasn't proven himself. I think before we go LT with the 12th overall pick we atleast give who we got there a shot. I think getting a later round OL would be better maybe even a center to learn from ol tommy nalen.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Broncos2024 View Post
              But that would be like saying we needed to draft a new qb the year of we drafted cutler cause he hasn't proven himself. I think before we go LT with the 12th overall pick we atleast give who we got there a shot. I think getting a later round OL would be better maybe even a center to learn from ol tommy nalen.
              No it wouldn't, why? Because Jay Cutler was the 11th overall pick, being that high it was obvious he had the talent and pretty much all the intangibles needed to succeed. He had a few question marks here and there like every other player in the draft, but it was obvious that his talents made him that high of a selection, it was a just a matter of when he'd finally get on the field, not if he'd ever do it, but when.

              I'm not saying Ryan Harris doesn't have what it takes to play in this league, because from my understanding before his awful senior season, he was highly thought of and could have easily been a later first round or early second round selection. However he did virtually nothing his senior season, and keep in mind that's when they had a pretty decent team with Brady Quinn at the helm, which eventually knocked him down to the third round(?) I believe it was. Anyone taken after the first round usually has more question marks than players who usually are taken with the teams first selection.

              I've heard he has a bad lower back and it was reported several times that he even dipped below 280lbs his senior year at Notre Dame for various reasons. I know we play with a lighter line than most teams, but I think this year, more than ever, was more evident that we need to get a few bigger and overall stronger guys there if Jay Cutler and the rest of the offense is ever going to function to the way most of us believe it can.

              Again, not saying Ryan Harris is a bust or can't play because that's reserved until proven otherwise, however I would see nothing wrong with taking a guy like Chris Williams, Ryan Clady or even Jeff Otah because of value and the fact that they're highly rated for a lot of different reasons Ryan Harris wasn't.
              Last edited by Spyder; 03-09-2008, 01:35 AM.
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              • #8
                Jeff Otha the Brawler at pick 19
                McDaniles Career as a failure of a Head Coach is being fulfilled. Termination of McFailure has happen.

                Rejoice Bronco Fans we have taken our team back, but at a heavy cost.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BroncoKazuki View Post
                  Jeff Otha the Brawler at pick 19
                  Jeff Otah would fit even worse in the broncos system than George Foster did...

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                  • #10
                    Reasons to draft OT in the first:

                    1. There is a lot of talent at the position in the draft. There will likely be a very good LT prospect at #12 when we draft.

                    2. We've lost our two starting tackles in the last year, and neither one was "beaten out": Lepsis and Foster.

                    3. Ryan Harris had back problems as a SR. in college and also his first year in the NFL. Back injuries are hard to over-come.

                    4. LT is, IMO, the second most important position on offense, behind only QB. It would be nice to give Jay a "body guard" for the next 10-12 years. Think of having a great LT as an insurance policy for Cutler.

                    5. OL is the "safest" 1st round pick, with the lowest percentage of "busts".

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                    • #11
                      It also had to do with the value of the 12th pick.If the BPA is a OT and the best value you take him.Sorry to say but the jury is still out on Harris like some posters have said.He has had back problems and also problems putting on weight and muscle.That being said I would like the idea of solidifying our OT spot for the next 6-8 yrs with Harris and either Clady(I hope he is therer at 12)or Chris Williams but it looks to me like Shannahan with the FA's we are going to see a draft similar to 2005 with all the DB's he drafted we are going to see the same thing at DT this year.

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                      • #12
                        Some of us are promoting a franchise RB, or a reach DT (Ellis/Dorsey), as I think we want immediate impact, which these people will provide. OT has some strong candidates, but unless they're Joe Thomas types (Long may be, not sure about Clady, Williams,etc.) who can make the NFL transition quickly, then I feel #12 is not the place to do it. Possibly round 2, but would love to see another pick to use it on. Olines are like fine wine....take some time to mature, but when they do, they give you the max!! Pending any other pre draft moves, I'd like to see RB,DT,WR,OT as our 1st 4 picks, maybe not in that order.

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                        • #13
                          Its not an lt need its an oline need

                          Many of us want a high oline draft pick because our line no longer has an anchor, and we will be losing Nalen and likely Hamilton shortly.

                          We will be desperately needing some new high quality oline men coming in even if the rookies and backups do as well as we hope(which is a reach).

                          As mentioned, if you spend a top 15 pick on oline, you are picking an LT.

                          Ryan Harris may already be that LT, but hey folks, he wont be one of the better LTs in the league, sorry its very unlikely to happen. We are high on him stepping in as a fairly new guy and becoming a solid LT, expecting more than that is becoming very optimistic. This draft offers several awesome tackles who should still be available at out pick, and in the other positions, this draft will probably offer us about nothing that we will be excited for at #12.

                          Thats why I say offensive tackle, or trade down, somebody might fall to us at #12, but besides the excellent offensive tackle choices, its most likely going to be some 'meh' type choices.

                          and the question isnt just who we need this year, its who we need next year and following years also.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bjoli198 View Post
                            Jeff Otah would fit even worse in the broncos system than George Foster did...
                            Otha is a brawler, and no where like Foster
                            McDaniles Career as a failure of a Head Coach is being fulfilled. Termination of McFailure has happen.

                            Rejoice Bronco Fans we have taken our team back, but at a heavy cost.

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                            • #15
                              If its not Clady or Long then there not worth first round picks, Broncos have way better luck finding OL in the later rounds. Plus we have a big talent in Harris....Only Clady and Long are worth a top 25 pick and they will be long gon before our 12th. Broncos can just draft OL in the later rounds. Desean Jackson baby with the 14th overall pick <<From the Bears who want Mendenhall.

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