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    The Broncos have done it before. One year they drafted three cornerbacks. Another year they drafted three defensive linemen. That kind of approach worked against them in some ways, because it caused them to neglect other positions. However, this year they might be planning the same thing, and it could be a big help to one area of the team that has been neglected in recent years -- the offensive line.

    I'm not saying they'll do it, but here's the draft I'd like to see:

    Gosder Cherilus (OT, Boston College) #1
    Pat Sims (DT, Auburn) #2
    Jacob Hester (FB, LSU) #4
    Robert Felton (G, Arkansas) #5a
    Adam Spieker (C, Missouri) #5b
    Kevin Robinson (WR/KR, Utah State) #7
    James McClinton (DT, Kansas) #7

    #1. Cherilus is the most skilled O-lineman in the draft, played against NFL-caliber competition, played for a good team, played on a balanced offense, and comes from an offensive-lineman factory. Although he was All-SEC, Chris Williams played for a bad team and that says something about his play. I'm sure he has ability, but his rise to 1st-round status on the draftniks' boards has all come long after the season was over and isn't necessarily due to what he demonstrated on the playing field.

    #2. Similarly, who do you want for DT? An undistinguished player from a 3-8 team whose post-season rise on the draftniks' charts has little to do with his play, or a proven All-SEC defensive tackle from a defensive powerhouse like Auburn? I'd go with the latter. Sims over Laws.

    #4. It's been a long time since the Broncos had a genuinely good fullback who was adept at both run blocking and pass blocking. Hester did both in LSU's balanced attack, and he's a good runner as well.

    #5a. Some draft boards have Felton still being around in the 5th, although he was hyped up to 1-2 round status soon after the season. He was a key part of Arkansas' running game. He would be an upgrade over Chris Kuper, giving the Broncos some much-needed power along the line of scrimmage. If not him, there are a number of other guards who would be available in the 5th and who could add power to the line.

    #5b. With Nalen in the twilight of his career, and Chris Myers visiting other teams, the Broncos may need to draft a center. Spieker was a key player and long-time starter in Missouri's great offense.

    #7a. Okay, one skill player. Kevin Robinson is an exceptional kick returner who would instantly help Denver's return game. He could also be groomed to take over the slot receiver position when Brandon Stokley decides to hang up his cleats.

    #7b. The Broncos could use one more tackle for their rotation. McClinton was a very good player for Kansas, sort of an Elvis Dumervil among defensive tackles. Slightly undersized, but played with enormous passion and skill. As things stand now, he would make a good backup in the DT rotation, and if Marcus Thomas has more legal problems, he could become necessary. Although small for DT, he's pretty big for a DE, and might be useful in a pinch as a backup, run-stopping DE.

  • #2
    Chris Williams played for a bad team and that says something about his play.
    O RLY?

    From nfldraftscout.com, Williams:

    2007: Started all twelve contests at left tackle, receiving the top blocking grade for consistency (85.67%) of any down lineman in the SEC, as he produced 102 knockdowns/key blocks, including twelve that resulted in touchdowns while allowing only one quarterback sack and one pressure on 836 offensive snaps. Was one of the major reasons that the Commodores averaged 326.6 yards per game in total offense, leading an offensive line that allowed only seventeen sacks for losses totaling 109 yards.

    Now what about Cherilus?

    2007: Started all fourteen games at left offensive tackle, helping the Eagles rank seventh in the nation with an average of 323.9 yards per game passing, but the ground attack suffered quite a bit, finishing 106th nationally with an average of 99.2 yards per game…Registered 77 knockdowns with twelve touchdown-resulting blocks, finishing with a 78.0% grade for blocking consistency…Allowed 5.5 sacks for losses totaling 52 yards and four quarterback pressures, as he was also penalized seven times, including four flags in the Notre Dame clash.

    Williams >>> Cherilus. Enough said.

    I prefer Laws to Sims, so I disagree with you on that as well.

    The mock in my sig kicks the living crap out of your mock.
    Last edited by Max Power; 03-14-2008, 10:06 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Max Power
      O RLY?

      From nfldraftscout.com, Williams:

      2007: Started all twelve contests at left tackle, receiving the top blocking grade for consistency (85.67%) of any down lineman in the SEC, as he produced 102 knockdowns/key blocks, including twelve that resulted in touchdowns while allowing only one quarterback sack and one pressure on 836 offensive snaps. Was one of the major reasons that the Commodores averaged 326.6 yards per game in total offense, leading an offensive line that allowed only seventeen sacks for losses totaling 109 yards.

      Now what about Cherilus?

      2007: Started all fourteen games at left offensive tackle, helping the Eagles rank seventh in the nation with an average of 323.9 yards per game passing, but the ground attack suffered quite a bit, finishing 106th nationally with an average of 99.2 yards per game…Registered 77 knockdowns with twelve touchdown-resulting blocks, finishing with a 78.0% grade for blocking consistency…Allowed 5.5 sacks for losses totaling 52 yards and four quarterback pressures, as he was also penalized seven times, including four flags in the Notre Dame clash.

      Williams >>> Cherilus. Enough said.

      I prefer Laws to Sims, so I disagree with you on that as well.

      The mock in my sig kicks the living crap out of your mock.
      Any mock that has Trevor Laws kicks the crap out of NO mock......
      Last edited by stnzed; 03-14-2008, 10:56 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by stnzed
        Any mock that has Trevor Laws kicks the crap out of NO mock......
        Yeah, because Laws isn't a 330 lbs. fatass that means he's small and weak! I know the pattern with you.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Max Power
          Yeah, because Laws isn't a 330 lbs. fatass that means he's small and weak! I know the pattern with you.
          You know so much about the draft.......Wow......

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          • #6
            Originally posted by stnzed
            You know so much about the draft.......Wow......
            First accurate and intelligent thing you've posted in a while (maybe ever). Reach around and give yourself a pat on the back! :clap:

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            • #7
              Just so you know, busts with SIZE are given more opportunity to fail than Montae Reagor is.......

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Max Power
                First accurate and intelligent thing you've posted in a while (maybe ever). Reach around and give yourself a pat on the back! :clap:

                Whatever I can do to help......

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                • #9
                  heart/determination/motor > size

                  And it's not like Laws is some midget. Granted, you might want him to be taller than just 6'1", but he weighs 304 lbs. and is very strong (put up 35 reps at the combine). His lack of height actually helps give him a leverage advantage. He is a master of leverage if you see him play. Maybe it's his background as a high school wrestler...

                  I believe your comment about huge DT's getting more chances, because guys that big can transcend schemes (4-3 or 3-4) and usually the bigger they are, the stronger they are too. We have seen these big DT's find new homes with Rogers, Jenkins, Stroud, etc. this offseason. However, size is not the be all end all, and I believe in the long run heart, determination, and motor are more critical to success than size. Laws has these traits in spades. Rogers, Jenkins, Stroud? Not so much. Which is why they are only dominant for a limited time. I believe Laws could be dominant all the time.

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                  • #10
                    You keep telling yourself that, Max......

                    ......:thumb:......

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                    • #11
                      A 6'-0''/297LB DT can "could be dominant all the time."......Sure, Max!......

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                      • #12
                        Btw......Where were all these "traits" before his senior season?......

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                        • #13
                          Quotes from the draftniks don't have the credibility you wish they did. The draftniks understand hype and bull**** more than they understand football. I think some of them just crib from the others.

                          Draftniks hyped Vernon Davis as a top-10 pick, but he's still trying to figure out how to get open and catch the football. DeMeco Ryans, who was downgraded to 2nd-round material by the draftniks, quickly became a great middle linebacker in the NFL. Perhaps that had something to do with the fact that Davis didn't do much at Maryland, a mediocre program, whereas Ryans was great on Alabama's top-rated defense.

                          As for Cherilus vs. Williams, Williams faced, and got beaten by, Jarvis Moss, he of the broken fibula and the inability to stop the running game. Other than Moss and Jamaal Anderson of Arkansas, there haven't been a lot of great DEs or OLBs coming out of the SEC in the last two years.

                          Cherilus faced Gaines Adams, a respectable NFL starter, and Mario Williams, a respectable NFL starter, not to mention many other NFL-caliber defensive ends and OLBs from traditional defensive powerhouses like Clemson, Virginia Tech, Florida State, Miami, North Carolina and North Carolina State. Oh, and his team often won, unlike Vanderbilt.

                          Trevor Laws over Patrick Sims is more classic draftnik delusional thinking. Laws did nothing aside from record some good times at the combine. His team was a loser. 3-8. He was on the field for those losses, so he couldn't have been that great. Sims was a key part of one of the best defenses in college football. That means he played well. That means he is good. On the field. Now, not in some future fantasy world.

                          As for the rest of your draft, it looks like a lot of draftnik darlings and a couple of good kickers.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SmokeBassett
                            Quotes from the draftniks don't have the credibility you wish they did. The draftniks understand hype and bull**** more than they understand football. I think some of them just crib from the others.
                            True . . . Their opinion is not beyond reproach but they have viewed the videos on each player and seen most of them in person. IMO that is very important. We as fans haven't.

                            Draftniks hyped Vernon Davis as a top-10 pick, but he's still trying to figure out how to get open and catch the football. DeMeco Ryans, who was downgraded to 2nd-round material by the draftniks, quickly became a great middle linebacker in the NFL. Perhaps that had something to do with the fact that Davis didn't do much at Maryland, a mediocre program, whereas Ryans was great on Alabama's top-rated defense.
                            Granted there are many cases every draft that the scouts are wrong, the teams are wrong, everyone is wrong. The future is impossible to predict with accuracy. They tend to be pretty close with the majority of their predictions more often than the football fans.

                            As for Cherilus vs. Williams, Williams faced, and got beaten by, Jarvis Moss, he of the broken fibula and the inability to stop the running game. Other than Moss and Jamaal Anderson of Arkansas, there haven't been a lot of great DEs or OLBs coming out of the SEC in the last two years.

                            Cherilus faced Gaines Adams, a respectable NFL starter, and Mario Williams, a respectable NFL starter, not to mention many other NFL-caliber defensive ends and OLBs from traditional defensive powerhouses like Clemson, Virginia Tech, Florida State, Miami, North Carolina and North Carolina State. Oh, and his team often won, unlike Vanderbilt.
                            The stats that were quoted were from 2007. Therefore, these players did not have an effect upon causing the lower production. IMO you put too much emphasis on team record. There are excellent players on poor teams and poor players on excellent teams. If it were not true at the pro level, there would be no pro bowl or hall of fame players from losing teams. Yet, we know that there are such players.

                            Trevor Laws over Patrick Sims is more classic draftnik delusional thinking. Laws did nothing aside from record some good times at the combine. His team was a loser. 3-8. He was on the field for those losses, so he couldn't have been that great. Sims was a key part of one of the best defenses in college football. That means he played well. That means he is good. On the field. Now, not in some future fantasy world.
                            Personally, I would be happy with either of these D-tackles but I lean more toward Laws for his work ethic. Look at his stats. He was 'good on the field'. The times at the combine are not immaterial. They give indications of athletic potential. They are an integral part of evaluating what potential this player has and what he offers when on the field. They are not the final answer but they can't be neglected.

                            As for the rest of your draft, it looks like a lot of draftnik darlings and a couple of good kickers.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by stnzed
                              A 6'-0''/297LB DT can "could be dominant all the time."......Sure, Max!......
                              Why not? Please explain to me why he could not possibly be a dominant player at that size. Fwiw, he's actually 6' 3/4" and 304 lbs., as weighed at the combine.
                              Last edited by Max Power; 03-15-2008, 11:11 AM.

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