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  • #76
    Originally posted by jhns
    Didn't Hardy play against pretty poor competition? I do not get why you would compare his production to those that played against good defenses. He is not a top 15 talent. He also has to show a lot more than good combine numbers to be considered the best receiver in this draft.
    here is who James Hardy played against for his career and the stats. You be the judge.

    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDet...=306&player=82

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    • #77
      Originally posted by BroncosTX77
      here is who James Hardy played against for his career and the stats. You be the judge.

      http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDet...=306&player=82
      Like I said, he didnt really play against any top defenses. Unless I am missing something. Then again, I don't follow every college team in the country, so some of them may be rated well. If you look at the schedule, it is not a hard one though.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan
        You're failing to take into account his size, reach, etc...

        THAT's what makes him so impressive, that he can compete with all these other smaller, lighter guys, and still is much bigger. If you measure his quickness against a 5'7, 170 lb guy straight up, then yeah, it's not overly impressive. When you take into account he's 6'5 and 220lbs, then it's impressive.

        He also destroyed all of them in career college production. The game tape does not lie. And he's one of the stronger WRs. You don't score 10+ TDs every season without being physical in the red zone. Jump balls require a lot of positioning and body banging.

        I'm pretty confident as the draft approaches, we'll hear alot more about Hardy being a Top 15 pick. It's entirely too obvious not to happen.

        And, Hardy is on record as saying he will spend more time in the film room stuyding and getting better then anyone else. His drive to be the best is second to none.

        Combine his size, with his athleticism, with his production, with his strength, and his motivation and drive? Superstar.

        Overrated.

        That is the word for this kid...

        No, his quickness does not impress me, despite his size. His size does, however, impress me a ton. Makes him the "on paper" favorite in this draft but there is a reason he hasn't been at the top... He doesnt play physical enough, he might hype up his attitude but he exercises it poorly.

        Actually in college, if your 6'5" 220lbs you wont need much positioning to outjump a CB when the highest competition you played is/was Illinios and Penn. St. If he can get some technique behind his skills he has a chance to be an animal... but as of right now im not sold he can and/or will get the technique.

        IDK, Hardy is one of the prospects in this draft you either like or dislike. I'm int he dislike area right now, but I'm not so far in the dislike that my mind couldnt change.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by jhns
          Like I said, he didnt really play against any top defenses. Unless I am missing something. Then again, I don't follow every college team in the country, so some of them may be rated well. If you look at the schedule, it is not a hard one though.
          It's not hard, its not the easiest schedule in DiA.

          Illinois and Penn ST. were decent teams, but not known for great D's or great cornerback play, but they are at least respectable teams.

          And actually looking more into it...He struggled against better defensive teams: Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio St.
          Last edited by GridironChamp; 03-25-2008, 05:51 PM.
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          • #80
            I think this draft is really shaping up to have a top tieeir WR fall to us in the 2nd round. At one time I thought Devin Thomas would be that guy, but he is a rising player and will go 1st round now. I do not see more than 3 of the top 5 going in the first round at this time.

            R Ayers - B Cofield - A Haynesworth - CJ ohnson
            J Anderson - J Beason - DJ Williams
            R Bailey - P Amukamara - R Hill - A Goodman

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Cutler2007
              I think this draft is really shaping up to have a top tieeir WR fall to us in the 2nd round. At one time I thought Devin Thomas would be that guy, but he is a rising player and will go 1st round now. I do not see more than 3 of the top 5 going in the first round at this time.
              Second round in lower you still got Doucet, Caldwell, Manningham, Bennet, Nelson, Franklin, ect...

              This WR class has no stud (besides Kelly IMO) but it's very deep for quality guys.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by GridironChamp
                Second round in lower you still got Doucet, Caldwell, Manningham, Bennet, Nelson, Franklin, ect...

                This WR class has no stud (besides Kelly IMO) but it's very deep for quality guys.
                Which is why I think some team will pass on WR late 1st round and target those other in the late 2nd.

                My number one option is to trade down in the first or out of it. I think the 2nd round is huge with talent.

                R Ayers - B Cofield - A Haynesworth - CJ ohnson
                J Anderson - J Beason - DJ Williams
                R Bailey - P Amukamara - R Hill - A Goodman

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                • #83
                  What I wouldn't do for Bowe right now, I really wished we had gone after him last year. Too bad, he's a stud for the Chiefs. The guy that best resembles him is Hardy, but I don't want Hardy at 12.

                  Right now, there are no receivers worthy of the number 12 pick besides Jackson and Thomas. But I wouldn't take them either considering they are both on the smaller side. With Marshall's future in question, we can't risk getting a speed guy without a true number 1. That leaves Kelly and Sweed, but what's the point in getting them if we are going to pass on Jackson and Thomas. So, right now. Our best option is to trade down, pick up an extra third or second and draft Bennent or Manningham within that extra pick.

                  Don't cha just love the draft. It's killing me, but it's so much fun to speculate and make baseless assumptions. This could be one of the funnest drafts ever, or one of the most heart-breaking drafts ever for Broncos fans. I can't wait, only 1 month away.

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                  • #84
                    after what has happend to b marsh i think were gonna have to take a WR in the 1st now.

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