Broncos need to draft KNOWSHON MORENO IN THE 1ST ROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!

[amac1984]

But that is the issue Ute, what will fans say if we miss the playoffs and yet the defense improved?

The fans will cry and moan, that we should have gotten Spagnuolo or Morris, look at Tomlinson and Harbaugh... (And you know it, just like everyone else knows it...you can all lie to yourselves if you want, but this is a spoiled fan base and people forget that). Most coaches understand it is about winning, so if a halfback will make us 9-7 at gets us in the playoffs he will be far more favored then if we improve defensively and miss the playoffs. I am not saying it is the best route, because I do not care if it take two years to get back...but most fans are not like that!

I agree with what you say mostly. However I would say that if we have the same offense as this past year (even with all the RB injuries, we still finished in the top half of the league in rushing) we would make the playoffs with a defense that ranked anywhere between 15-20. I do not see the need (and I hope Goodman/Xanders see it too) to spend a first day pick on a running back. I personally dont expect us to win 9-10 games and make the playoffs. I would LOVE for it to happen and to prove me wrong, but I can look in the mirror and say i would be satisfied this year to finish 8-8 and have the number 19th ranked defense in the NFL

[lancane]

It's TOMLIN... Mike Tomlin.

I wanted Spags... BUT, can you blame Bowlen? Reeves & Shanny were good, Wade was a disaster. He went with what he's familiar with...

I think Mcdaniels will be fine. he's surrounding himself with good coaches. I don't like the Nolan choice though. He's like a quantity over quality guy... SURE, he has experience... but it's not all good. He never really built the SF defense, right?

Capers would have been nice... McDermott too...

Still... we do not know what SPAGS did in his interview... what he said (or didn't say).

BUT... like Tomlin and Harbs... Mcdaniels is an obscure, young assistant. Some say they weren't ready... YEAH, they were DEF coaches... BUT, McD has experience on the DEF side... and he is young, he has won... what's not to like?

Frag...so the hell what if I spelled his name wrong, but you know I am correct. Tomlin's team is in the Super Bowl and Harbaugh just faced him in the AFC Championship. If McDaniels does not get to the playoffs and we improve defensively, it will not make a difference. Everyone backing Spagnuolo, Morris or Frazier will be saying "Told you" and "Spagnuolo would have gotten us there"...childish as it is, that is the truth and we both know that.

[lancane]

I agree with what you say mostly. However I would say that if we have the same offense as this past year (even with all the RB injuries, we still finished in the top half of the league in rushing) we would make the playoffs with a defense that ranked anywhere between 15-20. I do not see the need (and I hope Goodman/Xanders see it too) to spend a first day pick on a running back. I personally dont expect us to win 9-10 games and make the playoffs. I would LOVE for it to happen and to prove me wrong, but I can look in the mirror and say i would be satisfied this year to finish 8-8 and have the number 19th ranked defense in the NFL

That is you Mac, but most fans are not like that and that is the issue. My mock draft does not have us taking a first round tailback either, but I can argue that it is a high possibility and those who say it is not are dumber then stones, because anything is possible. I am not big on Raji, but I admit he is a possibility because of need, I would prefer we get someone later and in free agency and draft one of the better nose tackles next year. But I still see the reasoning and the why, when others argue they can not do the same for the halfback position?

[fraguela09]

Frag...so the hell what if I spelled his name wrong, but you know I am correct. Tomlin's team is in the Super Bowl and Harbaugh just faced him in the AFC Championship. If McDaniels does not get to the playoffs and we improve defensively, it will not make a difference. Everyone backing Spagnuolo, Morris or Frazier will be saying "Told you" and "Spagnuolo would have gotten us there"...childish as it is, that is the truth and we both know that.

Hey mon... I'm just having fun with you... You corrected that other poster (Glen Coffee)...

Harbs does have Cam and Ryan as coords... pretty good guys. Tomlin & Habs did inherit two quality teams.

I do agree that McDaniels has a lot of pressure to get this team to make that next step. BUT, if we simply solve our RZ issues... and score TDs... improve the DEF... he'll get by.

Do you really think Morris & Spags are going to do better next year? Both have bad teams. SO, if Mcdaniels gets to the playoffs and the other two struggle... does this mean Mcdaniels' supporters can shout?

I don't have a dog in the fight... I wanted Spags... I had reservations about McD... I liked Frazier as well. BUT, McD is my coach now...

AGAIN... I'm not happy about Nolan. Not a good start.

BUT... this idea we had to have a DEF coach? We need to best coach. McDaniels might prove to be that guy. He may not... time will tell.

We have to remember... we have no clue what Spags wanted... what he said... his demands... how he connected with Bowlen?

[amac1984]

That is you Mac, but most fans are not like that and that is the issue. My mock draft does not have us taking a first round tailback either, but I can argue that it is a high possibility and those who say it is not are dumber then stones, because anything is possible. I am not big on Raji, but I admit he is a possibility because of need, I would prefer we get someone later and in free agency and draft one of the better nose tackles next year. But I still see the reasoning and the why, when others argue they can not do the same for the halfback position?

Totally agree...for most every position on the roster you can make an argument for and against it. I'm not big on Raji either, but if we do pick up guys like Channing Crowder and Jim Leonhard/Dawan Landry in FA, that frees up two positions we have to address in the draft, which would open the door for him. I guess I just get IRKed when I talk to people who expect us to fix everything this offseason and go to the super bowl next year...rebuilding a defensive unit that was horrendous WILL take at least two drafts and offseasons. You are right about one thing, fans around here are spoiled, and probably more short-sighted than anything

[lancane]

Hey mon... I'm just having fun with you... You corrected that other poster (Glen Coffee)...

Harbs does have Cam and Ryan as coords... pretty good guys. Tomlin & Habs did inherit two quality teams.

I do agree that McDaniels has a lot of pressure to get this team to make that next step. BUT, if we simply solve our RZ issues... and score TDs... improve the DEF... he'll get by.

Do you really think Morris & Spags are going to do better next year? Both have bad teams. SO, if Mcdaniels gets to the playoffs and the other two struggle... does this mean Mcdaniels' supporters can shout?

I don't have a dog in the fight... I wanted Spags... I had reservations about McD... I liked Frazier as well. BUT, McD is my coach now...

AGAIN... I'm not happy about Nolan. Not a good start.

BUT... this idea we had to have a DEF coach? We need to best coach. McDaniels might prove to be that guy. He may not... time will tell.

We have to remember... we have no clue what Spags wanted... what he said... his demands... how he connected with Bowlen?

I know you are playing, sorry if it sounded otherwise...lol.

But all I have said is the bottom-line truth of the matter, Nolan also has alot of pressure on him, he only has a two year contract. So McDaniels and the Front Office seem to understand the weight they bare at this time, so what will they do. We have money to spend, so obviously the draft will be the basis of our growth as a team, but we will likely add some quality free agents. Free Agent tailbacks compared to first round tailbacks are fiscally still more expensive, and there is the Turner/Henry effect, which will be the bust and who will be the stud... We had the 'Henry' while other teams found success with some, others not so much...like us.

As for me, I feel for McDaniels, there is a lot of pressure on him to show turnaround to a spoiled and rude fanbase in little time.

But I understand most of all that anything is a possibility, because the need to win, so if we draft Wells who I am sure Turner is thinking about (Ohio State Alumn) then we do, if McDaniels and Goodman like Ringer more then we may go that route, or take Moreno...all I am saying is that any fan of the game can see that there is no clear cut choice and anything is possible at this time.

[fraguela09]

I know you are playing, sorry if it sounded otherwise...lol.

But all I have said is the bottom-line truth of the matter, Nolan also has alot of pressure on him, he only has a two year contract. So McDaniels and the Front Office seem to understand the weight they bare at this time, so what will they do. We have money to spend, so obviously the draft will be the basis of our growth as a team, but we will likely add some quality free agents. Free Agent tailbacks compared to first round tailbacks are fiscally still more expensive, and there is the Turner/Henry effect, which will be the bust and who will be the stud... We had the 'Henry' while other teams found success with some, others not so much...like us.

As for me, I feel for McDaniels, there is a lot of pressure on him to show turnaround to a spoiled and rude fanbase in little time.

But I understand most of all that anything is a possibility, because the need to win, so if we draft Wells who I am sure Turner is thinking about (Ohio State Alumn) then we do, if McDaniels and Goodman like Ringer more then we may go that route, or take Moreno...all I am saying is that any fan of the game can see that there is no clear cut choice and anything is possible at this time.

Amen to that. LIKE, I love Rashad Johnson... BUT, if we sign free agents to play FS & SS... then I would go i another direction in round-2.

Maualuga might be nice but if we sign someone... again... no need.

IN DALLAS, on the sports-talk station... one guy was suggesting we should target 3 solid free agents... big splashes... on DEF. He mentioned we are targeting T-Suggs? I wonder if this is true.

I think... if we want to pass on Brown & Raji... and if we don't want Wells or Moreno, then we should trade down and pick up an extra pick or two.

I mean... Clint Sintim, Ron Brace, might be better than just Brown or Raji.

As for RB... I think it boils down to Turner. If he says we need a horse... they'll get one DAY-1 in this draft. THEN, it comes down to... what they think about Wells & Moreno.

1st Round: Wells, Moreno, Mccoy
2nd-3rd Round: Greene, Ringer, Jennings
3rd-4th Round: Brown, Gartrell Johnson, Davis, Springer

SO... what if DEn is hot-&-heavy for a big power back like Johnson or Jennings? They would then shoot for them in the 3rd... move up if they have to (if one gets picked in the 2nd).

I think Wells has LOTS of upside... I think Moreno is hit or miss... I do feel like Jennings, Greene, Ringer & Johnson will be safe-solid picks.

BUT... you're correct... Wells is a definite option. You don't get to pick the #1 RB in the draft too often.

Broncos may think they have a better OLB in mind later in the draft, a suitable NT they feel they can groom... Who knows...

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS NEW DL COACH?

[fraguela09]

Broncos named Wayne Nunnely defensive line coach and signed him to a two-year contract.

This is a strong indication that Denver will employ a mostly 3-4 defense under new coordinator Mike Nolan. Nunnely had been San Diego's line coach for the past 12 seasons, teaching a strict 3-4. The Broncos will need some bigger ends for the scheme. Elvis Dumervil (5'11/260) isn't going to cut it.

Source: Rocky Mountain News

[amac1984]

Broncos named Wayne Nunnely defensive line coach and signed him to a two-year contract.

This is a strong indication that Denver will employ a mostly 3-4 defense under new coordinator Mike Nolan. Nunnely had been San Diego's line coach for the past 12 seasons, teaching a strict 3-4. The Broncos will need some bigger ends for the scheme. Elvis Dumervil (5'11/260) isn't going to cut it.

Source: Rocky Mountain News

2 year contract, same as Nolan. To me that says that success is measured for this defense right now in progess more than anything.

[lancane]

Amen to that. LIKE, I love Rashad Johnson... BUT, if we sign free agents to play FS & SS... then I would go i another direction in round-2.

Maualuga might be nice but if we sign someone... again... no need.

IN DALLAS, on the sports-talk station... one guy was suggesting we should target 3 solid free agents... big splashes... on DEF. He mentioned we are targeting T-Suggs? I wonder if this is true.

I think... if we want to pass on Brown & Raji... and if we don't want Wells or Moreno, then we should trade down and pick up an extra pick or two.

I mean... Clint Sintim, Ron Brace, might be better than just Brown or Raji.

As for RB... I think it boils down to Turner. If he says we need a horse... they'll get one DAY-1 in this draft. THEN, it comes down to... what they think about Wells & Moreno.

1st Round: Wells, Moreno, Mccoy
2nd-3rd Round: Greene, Ringer, Jennings
3rd-4th Round: Brown, Gartrell Johnson, Davis, Springer

SO... what if DEn is hot-&-heavy for a big power back like Johnson or Jennings? They would then shoot for them in the 3rd... move up if they have to (if one gets picked in the 2nd).

I think Wells has LOTS of upside... I think Moreno is hit or miss... I do feel like Jennings, Greene, Ringer & Johnson will be safe-solid picks.

BUT... you're correct... Wells is a definite option. You don't get to pick the #1 RB in the draft too often.

Broncos may think they have a better OLB in mind later in the draft, a suitable NT they feel they can groom... Who knows...

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS NEW DL COACH?

Nunnely is one of the best defensive coaches out there when it comes to the 3-4 system, and he has long had my respect as a coach.

Broncos named Wayne Nunnely defensive line coach and signed him to a two-year contract.

This is a strong indication that Denver will employ a mostly 3-4 defense under new coordinator Mike Nolan. Nunnely had been San Diego's line coach for the past 12 seasons, teaching a strict 3-4. The Broncos will need some bigger ends for the scheme. Elvis Dumervil (5'11/260) isn't going to cut it.

Source: Rocky Mountain News

Elvis Dumervile will like Moss get to compete for one of the two rush linebacker, or outside linebacker positions. If they feel he even can, if not he is gone, likely in a blockbuster trade utilizing a few players. We have several issues though, biggest is that we have no nose tackle and no true 3-4 defensive ends.

Maualuga is out IMHO, we can fit Larsen, Williams, Woodyard or even Koutividas into the interior roles. Outside is an issue for us, but Moss and Dumervile will have a shot. So we need two nose tackles, at least two true 3-4 defensive ends, one to two rush linebackers and two safeties...

We can do it!

[fraguela09]

SNARFILICIOUS just posted this in his SR BOWL thread:

MOBILE, Ala. -- The second day of practice for the North team at the 2009 Under Armour Senior Bowl was notable for a few reasons, including the emergence of an Ohio State receiver and the continued struggles of the QBs.

• On Monday, we said that Boston College DT B.J. Raji is the clear frontrunner to emerge as the top lineman, defensive or offensive, prospect in his class by the time we leave Mobile. After this morning's practice, we now feel that he is one of the top two or three prospects here regardless of position. Raji continues to showcase his rare blend of size, burst and agility and he manhandled highly-touted Oregon C Max Unger on more than one occasion. In fact, he got under Unger's pads, drove him back and then put him on his back on one snap during one-on-one pass rushing drills.

• At this point, Raji's collegiate teammate DT Ron Brace is probably used to living in his shadow, but Brace's play hasn't gone unnoticed by the coaches and front office personnel in attendance. Brace isn't as explosive or athletic as Raji and he's a little too top-heavy at times, but he's doing a good job of holding his ground and flashing the ability to collapse the pocket. In other words, he played like a late second-round or early second-day pick today.

[amac1984]

SNARFILICIOUS just posted this in his SR BOWL thread:

MOBILE, Ala. -- The second day of practice for the North team at the 2009 Under Armour Senior Bowl was notable for a few reasons, including the emergence of an Ohio State receiver and the continued struggles of the QBs.

• On Monday, we said that Boston College DT B.J. Raji is the clear frontrunner to emerge as the top lineman, defensive or offensive, prospect in his class by the time we leave Mobile. After this morning's practice, we now feel that he is one of the top two or three prospects here regardless of position. Raji continues to showcase his rare blend of size, burst and agility and he manhandled highly-touted Oregon C Max Unger on more than one occasion. In fact, he got under Unger's pads, drove him back and then put him on his back on one snap during one-on-one pass rushing drills.

• At this point, Raji's collegiate teammate DT Ron Brace is probably used to living in his shadow, but Brace's play hasn't gone unnoticed by the coaches and front office personnel in attendance. Brace isn't as explosive or athletic as Raji and he's a little too top-heavy at times, but he's doing a good job of holding his ground and flashing the ability to collapse the pocket. In other words, he played like a late second-round or early second-day pick today.

WOW, color me surprised with B.J. Raji!!! Its looks as though from this I might have to pull my size 12 outta my mouth!

[fraguela09]

WOW, color me surprised with B.J. Raji!!! Its looks as though from this I might have to pull my size 12 outta my mouth!

At this point... he might be playing himself into the top 10... SF maybe? We might not even have a chance now.

I'm starting to feel like I want Raji, then Brown then Wells/Moreno... then trade down?

Thomas-Raji-Crowder = a solid, young DLINE of our future... Along w/ Clady-Harris-Kuper-Litch... We have the foundation of our future. Games are won/lost in the trenches... We HOPEFULLY would have rebuilt both LOS in less than 3 years.

[lancane]

WOW, color me surprised with B.J. Raji!!! Its looks as though from this I might have to pull my size 12 outta my mouth!

I still am not big on him, but with Nunnely coming here...he may not be a top 15 pick, but I will not be surprised if he is taken in the top 10. Fact is that of the nose tackles he is the best of this year's group. Cody should have entered the draft, I would have given my left nut to draft Terrence Cody as our nose, but at this time...we may either have to go for Raji, or get Gabe Watson, which I feel is a better choice.

[lancane]

At this point... he might be playing himself into the top 10... SF maybe? We might not even have a chance now.

I'm starting to feel like I want Raji, then Brown then Wells/Moreno... then trade down?

Thomas-Raji-Crowder = a solid, young DLINE of our future... Along w/ Clady-Harris-Kuper-Litch... We have the foundation of our future. Games are won/lost in the trenches... We HOPEFULLY would have rebuilt both LOS in less than 3 years.

Thomas IMHO will not fit the 3-4, nor will Crowder unless he gains ten to fifteen solid pounds. Thomas needs to lose about five to ten to compete as a 3-4 defensive end. Smarter move for Thomas would be to gain fifteen pounds and compete at nose, and for us to draft T. Jackson or another who fits that end role and for Crowder to beef up some.