Broncos need to draft KNOWSHON MORENO IN THE 1ST ROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BroncosNL]

no he hasn't

He will if you keep going...

[Eddie "$" Royal]

Knowshon Moreno has undeclared and will be returning to school in the hopes you will stop posting new threads about him.

no he hasn't

[Chillez]

Knowshon Moreno has undeclared and will be returning to school in the hopes you will stop posting new threads about him.

ROFL :dance:

[Cutler2007]

Him or know 1 else what do u think give me ur feed back plz.

Knowshon Moreno has undeclared and will be returning to school in the hopes you will stop posting new threads about him.

[Bronco_Loc505]

I along with many other have already DESTROYED any case for Knowshon Moreno in the first. I won't re-list all the reasons that you wrong about this but you don't support your point with any evidence whatsoever. If you want people to take you seriously support Knowshon with more than just "He's a Beast!!!!!!!!"

[amac1984]

For the third time in three different threads... no freakin way!!!

[CTM]

There are already like 5 of these threads, some of them you made yourself, stop creating new threads when you can just reply to the other ones.

[Gr3yStreet]

Please stop making a case for 100 post rule.....

[Eddie "$" Royal]

Knowshon Moreno Is A Beast Draft Him In The !st Rd.!!!!

Him or know 1 else what do u think give me ur feed back plz.

[myoung]

In the end it will likely cost us a third round pick, but then again they could offer him a huge contract and it would just cost us too much to get him and we will have to look elsewhere. But if not, then he is by far a better choice then Raji in the first...I am still pissed that Cody did not enter the draft! Hahaha...that boy is a monster of a whole other kind!

I agree with you there. Cody would have been what we needed. I wanted that kid to declare.....

[lancane]

Fair enough.... I should not be so contentious. I really enjoy your posts on most topics. This particular topic I think came across wrong to me. Keep up the good posts. you add alot of value to this board.

I do think there is alot of information on the topic and teams tender a RFA at a specified level. It is relatively complex and most of the time we don't realize the details when we aspire to get RFA players. Until the details of each player come out it is not worth speculating on them. It would be nice if Watson got a basic tender but the Cardinals have some tough choices to make so we will have to see what happens.

In the end it will likely cost us a third round pick, but then again they could offer him a huge contract and it would just cost us too much to get him and we will have to look elsewhere. But if not, then he is by far a better choice then Raji in the first...I am still pissed that Cody did not enter the draft! Hahaha...that boy is a monster of a whole other kind!

[lancane]

Thomas is listed at every site I have seen at 6-3 305.... This puts him right in the range you are talking about. I believe this is still a bit on the small side since many of the better DE are 6-5 and 6-6 but you will find a couple that are really good that are the same size as Thomas. Let's take Castillo from San Diego as an example.

Now we can argue all day about the legitimacy of the sources I am referencing and often times players are listed larger than they are.

Your point is taken. I am not so sure I agree with you, but I understand where you are coming from. I tend to believe that Thomas has very good athleticism for his build and would probably fit well as an end in the 3-4. I believe his 6-3 305 frame is probably suited well for the position. But that is why we each have our own opinions.

Well like I said, I thought he was only 6-1, but I see that Denver has him at 6-3. So I will agree that I was wrong in that aspect...however, even at 305lbs. his body fat seems to be awful for his size, so I would still tend to agree that the smart move would be for him to be on a strict dietary regiment and workout schedule to reduce body fat, gain lean muscle and trim himself to be a tad quicker and better equiped to fit that position.

[myoung]

I believe that is what I just said, sorry...but I was not arguing the rules of the RFA, just that I thought you meant the tender in regards to the pick they could receive for the player, which they can not do until they refuse and pay the player the amount specified by the rules of the league.

Fair enough.... I should not be so contentious. I really enjoy your posts on most topics. This particular topic I think came across wrong to me. Keep up the good posts. you add alot of value to this board.

I do think there is alot of information on the topic and teams tender a RFA at a specified level. It is relatively complex and most of the time we don't realize the details when we aspire to get RFA players. Until the details of each player come out it is not worth speculating on them. It would be nice if Watson got a basic tender but the Cardinals have some tough choices to make so we will have to see what happens.

[myoung]

He is 6-1, the average 3-4 defensive end is around 6-4 and near 300lbs. his center of gravity is lower then usual, closer to what you expect from a quality nose tackle in the NFL. Height / weight ratio plays a major factor in where a player could or could not succeed at most positions in this league, for example a 5-10 quarterback has proven to be a mistake in the NFL because of the similar difference. So Thomas' height/weight ratio means that he would be playing the end position where quicker and lighter defensive ends play with frames equal to the given factor of the position, he would however be playing it as if he had fifteen pounds more heavier then the average defensive end in the 3-4 system. That does not mean he could not, it just means that there is a likely chance he can not...there is always that one that beats the odds, ala Zach Thomas, Elvis Dumervile in the 4-3...and so on.

Thomas is listed at every site I have seen at 6-3 305.... This puts him right in the range you are talking about. I believe this is still a bit on the small side since many of the better DE are 6-5 and 6-6 but you will find a couple that are really good that are the same size as Thomas. Let's take Castillo from San Diego as an example.

Now we can argue all day about the legitimacy of the sources I am referencing and often times players are listed larger than they are.

Your point is taken. I am not so sure I agree with you, but I understand where you are coming from. I tend to believe that Thomas has very good athleticism for his build and would probably fit well as an end in the 3-4. I believe his 6-3 305 frame is probably suited well for the position. But that is why we each have our own opinions.

[lancane]

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Do some research on the topic and then we can continue the conversation....

here is a quote from askthecommish.com to help get you started.

"Obviously, if the CBA is going to define a term for an "Unrestricted Free Agent", you would expect that they must also have something called a "Restricted Free Agent" (RFA). And, of course, you would be right. A RFA is "any Veteran player with three or more accrued seasons, but less than five accrued seasons (or less than four accrued seasons in any capped year)... At the expiration of his last Player Contract during such period... [the player] shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any club, and any club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any such player, subject to... certain restrictions." The restrictions are the fun part.

The player's original team maintains the First Refusal Right if the team tenders a contract offer of one year at $1.01 M.

The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and Draft Selection at the Player’s Original Draft Round (from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at the same amount(s) listed above OR at least 110% of the player’s prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater.

The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and Second Round Draft Selection (from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at $$1.545 million OR at least 110% of the player’s prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater.

The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and First Round Draft Selection (from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at $2.198 million OR at least 110% of the player’s prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater.

The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and First Round Draft Selection and Third Round Draft Selection (both from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at $2.792 million OR at least 110% of the player's prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater.

In the event a Prior Club withdraws its Qualifying Offer, the RFA immediately becomes an UFA. "

I believe that is what I just said, sorry...but I was not arguing the rules of the RFA, just that I thought you meant the tender in regards to the pick they could receive for the player, which they can not do until they refuse and pay the player the amount specified by the rules of the league.