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**Max Power** · 01-29-2009, 08:45 AM

not bad, but not the best. I do think ILB is a must, and not getting even one would be a mistake.

**ItalianBronco** · 01-29-2009, 08:50 AM

E.Brown or Orakpo...Doesn't matter...I love Brown but I think he will go top 5...If not him over Orakpo...But thats why I have Orakpo over Brown...He is a stud...

Why such a big concern over MLB...Dansby,Spikes,Hill there are alot of FA...But Larson given a full Training camp will prove he is the best we got move DJ...BINGO.

**Rockies24** · 01-29-2009, 09:08 AM

I prefer Everette Brown.

The guy is a beast, and perfectly fits into the OLB in a 3-4. He would be the ideal building block for a pass rush.

Imagine this draft:

1. Brown
2. Brace
3. Johnson (CB)

That would be three solid defensive picks....

**Mat'hir Uth Gan** · 01-29-2009, 09:14 AM

Getting BJ Raji in Round 1 would be the best case scenario, but now there's talk that Detroit is considering him at #1 Overall.

If we're doing any type of hopeful best draft, that man's name has to be our first selection.

**Mat'hir Uth Gan** · 01-29-2009, 09:37 AM

To take it one step further, I think our best case scenario draft would be thus:

1. DT BJ Raji
2. DE/OLB Larry English
3. S Micheal Hamlin
4. OC Antoine Caldwell
5. DE Jarron Gilbert
5. S Otis Wiley
6. LB Worrell Williams
7. DT Sammie Lee Hill
7. WR Greg Carr

This gives you a stud NT, the most important position on a 3-4 defense, an elite WOLB to pair with Moss as the SOLB. You get two complete safeties. One of the top OCs for a ZBS. A great 3-4 DE prospect. A meaty ILB that also has built in motivation due to playing with his brother. You have two developmental types in the late rounds. One as a backup NT from a small school where he was very productive. And the other as a huge WR to help in the red zone or in the event Marshall gets injured.

This is an A+ draft to me and what I hope for.

**chazoe60** · 01-29-2009, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post

Getting BJ Raji in Round 1 would be the best case scenario, but now there's talk that Detroit is considering him at #1 Overall.

If we're doing any type of hopeful best draft, that man's name has to be our first selection.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I was not impressed with what I saw of him in the Senior bowl. Now I am admittedly not as much of a college football expert as some of you, so I could be off base. I just hope whoever we draft can bring an attitude to our D that has been missing since Al left. Maybe that is the reason I like Rey so much.

BTW I have lurked on the Draft, and Freeagency forum for years and have always wondered what the heck your user name means?

**Mat'hir Uth Gan** · 01-29-2009, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by chazoe60 View Post

Maybe I'm wrong, but I was not impressed with what I saw of him in the Senior bowl. Now I am admittedly not as much of a college football expert as some of you, so I could be off base. I just hope whoever we draft can bring an attitude to our D that has been missing since Al left. Maybe that is the reason I like Rey so much.

BTW I have lurked on the Draft, and Freeagency forum for years and have always wondered what the heck your user name means?

I think Raji is a safe selection and a dominant one. I believe all the paid draft experts share this opinion, so it seems universal. As for Maualuga, he's good, no doubt, but very seldom does an ILB make or break a 3-4 defense. In terms of draft value only, the ILB is usually down the list if your team needs a D-lineman or CB. I would put ILB before Safety though. However, with us, we will be moving DJ inside and Spencer Larson should be an outstanding fit as the other starter inside. Personally, I don't see the need at ILB outside of depth. That's why, even though Rey is a good player, I don't see much value in his selection. It's also worth noting that ILBs are a fairly easy position to fill in the later rounds of the draft and that this year's Free Agent crop is very strong as well.

As for my name, I've been working on a fantasy epic for 10 years now, it took the backseat while I went through law school. Mat'hir is one of the main characters and my favorite.

**chazoe60** · 01-29-2009, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post

I think Raji is a safe selection and a dominant one. I believe all the paid draft experts share this opinion, so it seems universal. As for Maualuga, he's good, no doubt, but very seldom does an ILB make or break a 3-4 defense. In terms of draft value only, the ILB is usually down the list if your team needs a D-lineman or CB. I would put ILB before Safety though. However, with us, we will be moving DJ inside and Spencer Larson should be an outstanding fit as the other starter inside. Personally, I don't see the need at ILB outside of depth. That's why, even though Rey is a good player, I don't see much value in his selection. It's also worth noting that ILBs are a fairly easy position to fill in the later rounds of the draft and that this year's Free Agent crop is very strong as well.

As for my name, I've been working on a fantasy epic for 10 years now, it took the backseat while I went through law school. Mat'hir is one of the main characters and my favorite.

Thanks for the input, I have read a lot of you guys' opinions for years now and I am quite impressed with the work that goes into this forum.

As far as the name goes, that is cool. A lawyer and an author, you could probably write a damn good joke.

**elevation INC** · 01-29-2009, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post

To take it one step further, I think our best case scenario draft would be thus:

1. DT BJ Raji
2. DE/OLB Larry English
3. S Micheal Hamlin
4. OC Antoine Caldwell
5. DE Jarron Gilbert
5. S Otis Wiley
6. LB Worrell Williams
7. DT Sammie Lee Hill
7. WR Greg Carr

This gives you a stud NT, the most important position on a 3-4 defense, an elite WOLB to pair with Moss as the SOLB. You get two complete safeties. One of the top OCs for a ZBS. A great 3-4 DE prospect. A meaty ILB that also has built in motivation due to playing with his brother. You have two developmental types in the late rounds. One as a backup NT from a small school where he was very productive. And the other as a huge WR to help in the red zone or in the event Marshall gets injured.

This is an A+ draft to me and what I hope for.

i echo your first 3 picks and pray it goes down like that........i have been an english fan since last year, as well as a huge hamlin lover.....and we all know what raji is capable of.....except lancane...lol

**Al Wilson 4 Mayor** · 01-29-2009, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post

Getting BJ Raji in Round 1 would be the best case scenario, but now there's talk that Detroit is considering him at #1 Overall.

If we're doing any type of hopeful best draft, that man's name has to be our first selection.

The Lions have two picks in the first round, so I guess it would make since if they didn't take qb first overall. There is a chance they could still get Sanchez with their second overall pick.

**Mat'hir Uth Gan** · 01-29-2009, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post

The Lions have two picks in the first round, so I guess it would make since if they didn't take qb first overall. There is a chance they could still get Sanchez with their second overall pick.

I'm worried about the Lions taking Raji. I think they'd be better served to take Eugene Monroe or Malcolm Jenkins #1 if they don't go with Stafford. But Raji makes a ton of sense for a team that was horrific stopping the run last year.

I think its possible they just say screw drafting a QB this draft. Next years draft is likely to be loaded with better prospects and the Lions will almost certainly be picking Top 3 again.

With 3 selections in the first 33 picks, they could grab a Nose Tackle, a Cornerback, and an Offensive Tackle and improve their team greatly for when they do select a QB next year.

**elevation INC** · 01-29-2009, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post

I'm worried about the Lions taking Raji. I think they'd be better served to take Eugene Monroe or Malcolm Jenkins #1 if they don't go with Stafford. But Raji makes a ton of sense for a team that was horrific stopping the run last year.

I think its possible they just say screw drafting a QB this draft. Next years draft is likely to be loaded with better prospects and the Lions will almost certainly be picking Top 3 again.

With 3 selections in the first 33 picks, they could grab a Nose Tackle, a Cornerback, and an Offensive Tackle and improve their team greatly for when they do select a QB next year.

i actually think the lions would do well to retain shaun cody to play nose. he isnt a penetrator but he is a big body clogger in the middle.....i highly doubt the lions draft raji, unless they plan on rolling with culpepper, orvlorsky and josh freeman.

there best bet would be stafford who will be good in this league. a OT and then a NT in the second rd followed by a CB.....which is very deep this year IMO

**Mat'hir Uth Gan** · 01-29-2009, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by elevation INC View Post

i actually think the lions would do well to retain shaun cody to play nose. he isnt a penetrator but he is a big body clogger in the middle.....i highly doubt the lions draft raji, unless they plan on rolling with culpepper, orvlorsky and josh freeman.

there best bet would be stafford who will be good in this league. a OT and then a NT in the second rd followed by a CB.....which is very deep this year IMO

Cody isn't very good. He's fine as a primary backup that can fill both positions at DT, but he'd be much better as a 3-4 DE. He has always been miscast in a 4-3 defense.

I don't think the Lions will draft Raji either, but outside of QB, NT is their biggest need. Trading Shaun Rodgers was one of the dumbest moves in recent history. Redding can be good as a 3-technique, but he needs a big tank next to him to free him up or he sucks like he did this year. Drafting Raji would fix their D-line. So I can see why it might happen. I just happen to think that Malcolm Jenkins would be even better for them.

As for Stafford, I like his chances, but the truth is that most scouts are split on him. Some liken him to Jay Cutler, who did not go #1 Overall, while others liken him to Akili Smith, whom did go near the tip top of the draft (#2 or #3). The Lions might just figure they're better off sucking this year with Culpepper, whom is a Linehan disciple, and picking a better prospect next draft. Drafting a franchise QB is a multi-year proposition. If you think Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy are much better then Matt Stafford, why not play through another crappy season (fixing other holes in this draft) and then draft the QB you really like next year? That's what I would do. It's a given the Lions will suck this season.

So the question is whether they think Stafford is as good or close to as good as those other QBs or not. If so, they draft him. If not, then they don't, and Raji, Jenkins, and Monroe are in play.

**elevation INC** · 01-29-2009, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post

Cody isn't very good. He's fine as a primary backup that can fill both positions at DT, but he'd be much better as a 3-4 DE. He has always been miscast in a 4-3 defense.

I don't think the Lions will draft Raji either, but outside of QB, NT is their biggest need. Trading Shaun Rodgers was one of the dumbest moves in recent history. Redding can be good as a 3-technique, but he needs a big tank next to him to free him up or he sucks like he did this year. Drafting Raji would fix their D-line. So I can see why it might happen. I just happen to think that Malcolm Jenkins would be even better for them.

As for Stafford, I like his chances, but the truth is that most scouts are split on him. Some liken him to Jay Cutler, who did not go #1 Overall, while others liken him to Akili Smith, whom did go near the tip top of the draft (#2 or #3). The Lions might just figure they're better off sucking this year with Culpepper, whom is a Linehan disciple, and picking a better prospect next draft. Drafting a franchise QB is a multi-year proposition. If you think Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy are much better then Matt Stafford, why not play through another crappy season (fixing other holes in this draft) and then draft the QB you really like next year? That's what I would do. It's a given the Lions will suck this season.

So the question is whether they think Stafford is as good or close to as good as those other QBs or not. If so, they draft him. If not, then they don't, and Raji, Jenkins, and Monroe are in play.

very good points, and cody as a 3-4 DE makes sense as well. i think if used right he could be a better player, but no one in detroit knew what they were doing...see trading shaun rodgers....lol.

if they get a bookend LT culpepper could work out for them. but with such a high second rd pick they could draft a QB/T or CB/T and still get ron brace before anyone, so i think raji wont be an option especially because DL drafted so high dont pay elite divideneds year 1 so is it really worth paying number 1 pick money to a DT who may not hit his best years till year 2...its a risk i dont think the lions can affod finacially to be honest....

thats why i see them going with T/QB, QB/T or T/CB then grabbing brace before anyone in rd 2

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