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I see a lot of mocks with us taking raji. I think he'll get gobbled up I see tha size in him but I see no power. I saw him pull his spin move I think three times in the senior bowl... And he was blocked each time. I think marcus would actually gobble this guy up. Marcus is a big bodied t but out d line coach sucked. Wasn't marcus said to go earlier in the draft if not for his personal issues? I'm just wondering why he hasn't been mentioned as a potential starter next season?
marcus thomas isnt the kind of tackle that eats up blockers (which is what nose tackles are supposed to do) he is more of a penetrator. Many believe (myself included) he will be a good fit at DE in the 3-4
and i agree with you about raji, he is not a nose tackle
I see a lot of mocks with us taking raji. I think he'll get gobbled up I see tha size in him but I see no power. I saw him pull his spin move I think three times in the senior bowl... And he was blocked each time. I think marcus would actually gobble this guy up. Marcus is a big bodied t but out d line coach sucked. Wasn't marcus said to go earlier in the draft if not for his personal issues? I'm just wondering why he hasn't been mentioned as a potential starter next season?
Maualuga will be a bust.:salute!:
Raji will play NT in a 3-4 at the next level Marcus Thomas plays the quick UT role in a 4-3 and he will be given a shot at 5 tech DE in the 3-4.
So let me get this straight, you are comparing two players that would have different roles/positions on the Defense and calling one a bust before he has a shot even though many draft scouts have him as a top 10 pick and lots of us have Thomas as a starting SDE in the new 3-4.
Well I guess I am not following your odd logic on this one...
I would rather us aquire another NT through FA, there are a few decent options out there.
Then we use our first pick on either Orakpo or Brown as rush LB's,
With our second pick, look at Fili Moala, he could project very well to a 3-4 end.
Hopefully with that approach we would have our front three with a NT, Thomas and Moala, and a rush LB, we can build from there.
I'd love moala hed be a good de in a 3-4 and yes I am comparing the two. We had d robertson who played in a 3-4 and our own thomas outplayed him this year. To say thomas can't play nt is not a fair assumption
I'd love moala hed be a good de in a 3-4 and yes I am comparing the two. We had d robertson who played in a 3-4 and our own thomas outplayed him this year. To say thomas can't play nt is not a fair assumption
it is a fair assumption, thomas is a penetrating DT...he doesnt fit the NT mold. He is not a guy that will occupy multiple blockers.
it is a fair assumption, thomas is a penetrating DT...he doesnt fit the NT mold. He is not a guy that will occupy multiple blockers.
he is better suited as a DE in a 3-4
I'm not totally sold on this. I do think Marcus would have to add some weight/bulk to be a more effective NT, but I think we are getting ahead of ourselves proclaiming what his 'best' position is. Consider...
1. People call Marcus a penetrator but how often is he really making plays in the backfield? For that matter, remember that he has a grand total of Zero sacks in 2 years. Not much of a penetrator ...
2. He played the NT position in college. Yes, it was in the 4-3, but he was the NT in the defense.
3. He was drafted - as were Moss and Crowder - to fit Jim Bates' scheme. Bates' scheme requires the DTs to occupy blockers so, at least Bates' and the Broncos must have thought he had that kind of ability.
Can Florida’s Marcus Thomas be a 3-4 DE or 3-4 NT?
Shawn: A 3-4 NT would be more realistic for Thomas, although I would stay as far away from him as possible. I wouldn't want to have to deal with his issues off the field.
So, the chance that he could be a NT may still be up for discussion within Dove Valley.
I'm not totally sold on this. I do think Marcus would have to add some weight/bulk to be a more effective NT, but I think we are getting ahead of ourselves proclaiming what his 'best' position is. Consider...
1. People call Marcus a penetrator but how often is he really making plays in the backfield? For that matter, remember that he has a grand total of Zero sacks in 2 years. Not much of a penetrator ...
2. He played the NT position in college. Yes, it was in the 4-3, but he was the NT in the defense.
3. He was drafted - as were Moss and Crowder - to fit Jim Bates' scheme. Bates' scheme requires the DTs to occupy blockers so, at least Bates' and the Broncos must have thought he had that kind of ability.
Can Florida’s Marcus Thomas be a 3-4 DE or 3-4 NT?
Shawn: A 3-4 NT would be more realistic for Thomas, although I would stay as far away from him as possible. I wouldn't want to have to deal with his issues off the field.
So, the chance that he could be a NT may still be up for discussion within Dove Valley.
I agree he would have to put at least twenty pounds on. But I personally think he hasn't reached his full potential yet and has a shot. I know he looked bigger to me this last season then his rookie year.
I'm not totally sold on this. I do think Marcus would have to add some weight/bulk to be a more effective NT, but I think we are getting ahead of ourselves proclaiming what his 'best' position is. Consider...
1. People call Marcus a penetrator but how often is he really making plays in the backfield? For that matter, remember that he has a grand total of Zero sacks in 2 years. Not much of a penetrator ...
2. He played the NT position in college. Yes, it was in the 4-3, but he was the NT in the defense.
3. He was drafted - as were Moss and Crowder - to fit Jim Bates' scheme. Bates' scheme requires the DTs to occupy blockers so, at least Bates' and the Broncos must have thought he had that kind of ability.
Can Florida’s Marcus Thomas be a 3-4 DE or 3-4 NT?
Shawn: A 3-4 NT would be more realistic for Thomas, although I would stay as far away from him as possible. I wouldn't want to have to deal with his issues off the field.
So, the chance that he could be a NT may still be up for discussion within Dove Valley.
Few fans would be happier than me if Thomas could just be penciled in as Denver's NT of the future and not worry about it. Just pick up a FA to complement him and the BIGGEST NEED of the off-season is SOLVED! Without even needing a #1 or #2 draft pick! Great!
But, just because Thomas hasn't made any plays so far doesn't mean he's NT material. And some mock draft comment doesn't change that.
Sometimes DTs take 3 years to mature into decent starters. We just have to hope that Thomas does that because so far he's been easily blocked by 1 OT. Teams have not needed to double-team Thomas, which has been the problem.
Maybe he could move out and play DE in a 3-4 and take on blockers. But, he was projected as a penetrating DT. He hasn't lived up to that billing so far, but that doesn't mean he isn't that type of player.
The alternative is that he's just a bust as an NFL DT. A guy who looked better in college than he does in the NFL. There are plenty of those around, and a regrettable number are on Denver's defense! (Robertson, Thomas, Moss, Crowder).
Few fans would be happier than me if Thomas could just be penciled in as Denver's NT of the future and not worry about it. Just pick up a FA to complement him and the BIGGEST NEED of the off-season is SOLVED! Without even needing a #1 or #2 draft pick! Great!
But, just because Thomas hasn't made any plays so far doesn't mean he's NT material. And some mock draft comment doesn't change that.
Sometimes DTs take 3 years to mature into decent starters. We just have to hope that Thomas does that because so far he's been easily blocked by 1 OT. Teams have not needed to double-team Thomas, which has been the problem.
Maybe he could move out and play DE in a 3-4 and take on blockers. But, he was projected as a penetrating DT. He hasn't lived up to that billing so far, but that doesn't mean he isn't that type of player.
The alternative is that he's just a bust as an NFL DT. A guy who looked better in college than he does in the NFL. There are plenty of those around, and a regrettable number are on Denver's defense! (Robertson, Thomas, Moss, Crowder).
Your points are well taken. My comment regarding the penetrating DT was more in response to all the posts proclaiming Thomas as such. I was pointing out that, to date, he has done little to even show flashes of being such a player.
You are right, too, about the draft comments. Again, my point here is that the Broncos and at least one supposed 'guru' seemed to feel he could play the role of a block absorbing DT. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find other guru opinions to see if there were counterpoints.
Ultimately, I too would love it if he could become the NT. No guarantee he will - just as there is no guarantee he can make it as a DE. I do tend to think he - as well as perhaps all the current players that may make the transition - would do best in a one gap 3-4 vs. the two gap. We'll see ....
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