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  • Lancane's Updated Mock Draft *No Free Agency or Trades*

    A lot of people have been asking me to do a mock draft with the picks we have, instead of showing possible trades which could happen but are not likely…I said I would do so, but I also think there is a possibility that we stick to the 4-3 defensive scheme, therefore I have two mocks, one in regards to the 3-4, another the 4-3...

    Lancane’s 3-4 Mock Draft -

    Rnd 1. Tyson Jackson - Defensive End - Louisiana State (Reach)

    Denver will likely target Raji, Curry, Brown and Maualuga with the 12th overall pick, especially if they are going to the 3-4, he could be available. The issue is that there is a high possibility that not one of the four is available when Denver is on the clock, and so does Denver nab one of the two top tailbacks?, cornerbacks?, maybe even reach for a someone else such as Maybin? And in the end I think Denver will have a tough choice with this pick, Orakpo will be a target of Buffalo if he is still available and if Sanchez is gone, I think they take Maualuga.

    Jackson is considered a legit first round pick, but latter first. Right now his draft position resides solely upon himself. If Jackson has stellar numbers at the combine I think he rockets into a Top 20 grade easily. Being that he is the best true 3-4 defensive end in the draft already makes him a targeted commodity among 3-4 defensive teams. Denver who is likely to switch to the 3-4, though they lack the manpower would be far better off with T.J. on their roster. Fans will not like the pick, “Too damn early”, “I like this kid better”, but in all honesty, Jackson has as much a shot becoming Denver’s pick at this spot then say Raji, Curry or Brown. He automatically upgrades a defensive line in serious need of talent.

    Rnd 2. Ron Brace - Nose Tackle - Boston College (Reach)

    Denver will watch over hyped Raji go quickly in the first, and if they plan to build a capable 3-4 defensive unit, they need to secure the trenches first and foremost and Brace is a great option at this spot. He would likely go in the mid to latter second round, but Denver can ill afford to risk him being drafted elsewhere. Brace is a true nose tackle, a large difference to Raji who had been replaced at the nose position by Brace this past season at Boston College. And I feel Brace wants to prove himself to the league and to himself, and if so…then Denver could get a steal here with this pick, because I believe Brace is tired of being in Raji’s hyped up shadow. A lot of Denver fans believe Raji is the best nose in the draft, sadly he is not really a nose tackle but a 3-technique defensive tackle who played at the nose position and replaced this season for reasons unspecified.

    Rnd 3. Connor Barwin - Outside Linebacker (DE) - Cincinnati (Steal)

    Someone is bound to fall, Barwin will undoubtedly be one likely candidate with Johnson, Kruger, Maybin, Stintim and a few others ahead of him on the charts. This is a good place for Denver to grab some balance to the reaches they had to make in order to fill positions of need. With the likelihood that Denver is switching to a 3-4 defensive base scheme, they need linebackers, particularly outside rushing linebackers; Moss and Dumervile will get a fair chance, Barwin however would be a wise addition. Larsen, Williams, Woodyard and Koutividas give Denver some security with their corps., but they will undoubtedly need to add a few with the draft.

    Rnd 4. Javon Ringer - Running Back - Michigan State (Steal)

    Oh no…not offense, but the thing is that as the combine and draft approaches we see that tailbacks are dropping, even the two best in the draft are falling and not because of lack of skill. Ringer who is shorter and stouter then others available and give that he will probably have a mediocre time in the 40 yard dash, his stock will fall. He may be gone before this pick, but I fully expect with the likes of Jennings, Greene, Brown, Johnson and others that it thins out, particularly if they have good numbers at the combine. McDaniels has stated that they need to fix the offense as well as the defense and no sane coach walks into a new season with a stable that was so injury plagued that it actually had seven backs go down and nearly a different starter each week.

    Ringer will remind people of Frank Gore, he will not bedazzle with flashing speed, but his ball handling skills, patience to find the hole, his power and field of vision, along with his receiving skills will put him on McDaniel’s list for what is likely to be a spread offense based scheme. I also mentioned before that Ringer has a leg up…McDaniels coached at Michigan State and it is no secret that Turner is a former Big Ten coach as well.

    Rnd 5. Chip Vaughn - Safety - Wake Forest (Value)

    Denver has been in need of safety help for awhile, even long before the Immortal John Lynch had been released. I fully expect Denver to look to free agency to nab a starting safety to fill one of the positions. But they need to add players who could eventually start or give them rotational depth. Vaughn is a hard hitting safety with good ball skills. Though his numbers declined a bit as a senior they were none the less, still impressive. He is a bit raw, has great upside and decent speed, another plus is that he can play either position, though he is a natural free safety he will probably transition to a strong safety in the NFL. I like this kid’s attitude towards his team and his family values in whole, a great addition with this pick.

    Rnd 5. Daniel Holtzclaw - Inside Linebacker - Eastern Michigan (Steal)

    Holtzclaw is one of the most underrated athletes of this year’s draft. One of the bright spots on a very mediocre Eagles squad. He has started every game of his collegiate career and ended up having a stellar season which saw him notch 107 tackles, 4.5 for a loss; his junior year was even better and saw him rack up a jaw dropping 125 tackles and two interceptions. Holtzclaw is a tough competitor who knows how to get after the ball carrier, he has good range and great natural ability, a little on the stout side at 6-1, 245lbs., even then he will likely be a great inside linebacker in the NFL, especially if he goes to a team who will utilize him and in that sense, Denver would be the ideal home for him. Another plus for Denver is that Holtzclaw has been looked to as the vocal leader of the Eagle’s defense since his sophomore year and since the loss of Al Wilson the team has not had a continual on and off the field defensive general and Daniel brings that ability along with the rest of his skills.

    Rnd 6. Patrick Turner - Tight End (WR) - USC (Value)

    Turner whose size and ability screams Tight End will go to a team where that is a big possibility and Denver is among them. Fans will compare him to Shannon Sharpe as far as a physical specimen. Turner will not blow anyone away with his forty times, nor likely with his other numbers…but he will impress them with his intellect, demeanor and attitude toward the game. As a senior Patrick Turner notched 49 catches, 741 yards and 10 scores, with 15.2 YPC average. Some teams may look to add Turner simply as a possession receiver, but Denver needs Tight End help, Scheffler has been impressive at times but is hampered by injury and Graham is a better blocker then a receiver and Turner would be a good option at this spot to add and give Cutler an added option in McDaniel’s spread offense.

    Rnd 6. Louis Vasquez - Offensive Guard - Texas Tech (Value)

    A lot of Denver fans seem hell bent on Denver going after a center, overlooking the fact Denver is impressed with Lichtensteiger who was just drafted in the last draft. They want to slowly groom him behind Weigmann if at all possible and fans are giving up on the kid way to quick. But Denver’s dilemma will be that next year both Kuper and Hamilton will be free agents, and while Hamilton has done well, it is more then likely that Kuper who is tight with Cutler and company is the one re-signed. Hamilton will be offered top dollar on the market, that is where Vasquez enters the picture…not only does he bring valuable depth, but he was part of one of the best offenses and offensive lines in college football. He is a tad bigger then the usual guards Denver goes after, but he is leaner because of his height and for a big man he has good quickness and even better feet. Not to mention before he was injured he was considered one of the top guards in America, last year he only allowed a single sack; Cutler would be lucky to have Vasquez and Clady watching his blindside.

    Rnd 7. Zach Potter - Defensive End - Nebraska (Value)

    Denver needs depth, and while there is no safe bets in the latter part of the draft, there are those that now and then become far more; Denver knows this well. Sharpe, Nalen, Davis, Larsen, Hillis just to name a few. Potter has a lot of upside, great raw athletic ability and he is a true 3-4 defensive end. But he is a project pick as well, he lacks the footwork and overall quickness to be dominant, but those can be trained and coached into him. And Denver has one of the best in the NFL in Dunnely coaching the defensive line and it would be worth the risk to take another young kid who could provide depth if not be a steal for the team in the end…

    Will post 4-3 Mock soon!

  • #2
    If we do go with Tyson Jackson, don't you think we should trade down and add a pick or 2? Like you said, he will probably be available in the early 20's.

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    • #3
      I like this draft outside the Tyson Jackson pick. If stuck with no top defensive players left... Id reach for Clay Matthews if he grades out that high, or possibly grab Shady McCoy.

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      • #4
        Nevermind, you said no trades..my bad

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        • #5
          Originally posted by iowabronco24 View Post
          If we do go with Tyson Jackson, don't you think we should trade down and add a pick or 2? Like you said, he will probably be available in the early 20's.
          If Jackson clocks in a 4.7 forty, benches close to 400lbs. plus and grades out well in the vertical he will launch himself into the top 20; San Diego may target him at 16, maybe New York at 17 and then again there are 3-4 teams from the playoffs who will target him in the twenty range. If his numbers surpass my predictions, say a 4.6, 475 and so forth...then Jackson could end up being a top 15 pick. And being that he is the best true 3-4 defensive end in the draft? Not sure that Denver would overlook him. I have a feeling that Orakpo and Maualuga as well as Curry, Raji and Brown will be gone or fall. Maualuga would likely be the pick if he is still available...

          But I would not count Jackson out, not by a long shot! :salute!:

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          • #6
            Looks good to me. Not so certain I like Javon Ringer, his workload this past season worries me. He also averaged fewerr than 4 yards a carry in 7 games this season.

            But, I do like the rest of it.
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            • #7
              In your opinion is Potter really going to fall to the 7th. He looks like a pretty athletic big man with a good motor.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by draco193 View Post
                Looks good to me. Not so certain I like Javon Ringer, his workload this past season worries me. He also averaged fewerr than 4 yards a carry in 7 games this season.

                But, I do like the rest of it.
                Ringer will be fine, and while I am higher on Moreno and McCoy, I think Denver goes with Ringer who will fall come the draft. We know Turner who pushed for Clarett is a Big Ten fanatic, he is likely writing notes about Ringer and Wells and posting them in obvious places for Goodman to see. McDaniels may go with Ringer because of what he brings and school allegiance.

                I could see Denver using the pick on another kid who falls...and my sleeper back is Glen Coffee of Alabama. But Denver is likely to take a back and the fact a second round kid makes it to their fourth pick?

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                • #9
                  I'd rather take James Davis or Johnson before thinking of Javon Ringer. It would be nicer to have a RB that has a chance to be a featured runner, instead of Ringer who is built to be a change of pace guy.

                  Other than that I like it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lancane View Post
                    If Jackson clocks in a 4.7 forty, benches close to 400lbs. plus and grades out well in the vertical he will launch himself into the top 20; San Diego may target him at 16, maybe New York at 17 and then again there are 3-4 teams from the playoffs who will target him in the twenty range. If his numbers surpass my predictions, say a 4.6, 475 and so forth...then Jackson could end up being a top 15 pick. And being that he is the best true 3-4 defensive end in the draft? Not sure that Denver would overlook him. I have a feeling that Orakpo and Maualuga as well as Curry, Raji and Brown will be gone or fall. Maualuga would likely be the pick if he is still available...

                    But I would not count Jackson out, not by a long shot! :salute!:
                    I appreciate your work that went into this mock. It is well reasoned and easy to follow your thinking. I just don’t know what you are trying to say here, “I have a feeling that Orakpo and Maualuga as well as Curry, Raji and Brown will be gone or fall.” Are you saying certain players like Curry and Raji will be gone while the others will fall to Denver at 12?

                    Thanks!
                    Last edited by eabort; 02-06-2009, 11:25 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
                      In your opinion is Potter really going to fall to the 7th. He looks like a pretty athletic big man with a good motor.
                      He has a decent motor, but he lacks quickness, and he has limited skills. Good thing is that he has good natural ability though, and what he lacks is coaching. He may go as early as the top of the 6th Round, but there is alot of good kids graded ahead of him which will likely push him down a bit.

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                      • #12
                        Cane,

                        I am just not enamoured by a DE for the first pick.....and I won't get into the long discussion about the immediate impact (or lack thereof) of dliners early in their career. If need be, check out my thread on that.....okay, don't bother!!

                        Your guy must be a stud, but to me it's LB first, someone to build your future around, and either Safety / NT or RB afterward....pending all other offseason moves.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by eabort View Post
                          I appreciate your work that went into this mock. It is well reasoned and easy to follow your thinking. I just don’t know what you are trying to say here, “I have a feeling that Orakpo and Maualuga as well as Curry, Raji and Brown will be gone or fall.” Are you saying certain players like Curry and Raji will be gone while the others will fall to Denver at 12?

                          Thanks!
                          Curry, Brown and Raji will be long gone IMHO. Maualuga could easily go in the top ten as well, unless he has a horrid combine and falls while others rise. Orakpo will likely be drafted by Buffalo if he is available. But he could just as easily have bad numbers and fall while Laurinaitis, Maybin and Jackson climb and that is what I was getting at. Right now I am unsure because of where teams are leaning and I will know more come after the combine. But I would not count Jackson out; the best scenario for Denver is that Orakpo, Maualuga, Jackson and Maybin grade out well and are all available at 12, giving Denver options. Brown, Raji and Curry unless by some miracle will be long gone and I am not big on Raji at all. Curry and Brown would be ideal, but it will not happen.

                          Orakpo would be the smart pick if available and we stick to the 4-3, Maualuga or Jackson are the best two options if we are switching to the 3-4...but even if Maybin, Orakpo and Jackson are the only three available, I would not count him out, especially since there are so few true 3-4 defensive ends in the draft.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by CanDB View Post
                            Cane,

                            I am just not enamoured by a DE for the first pick.....and I won't get into the long discussion about the immediate impact (or lack thereof) of dliners early in their career. If need be, check out my thread on that.....okay, don't bother!!

                            Your guy must be a stud, but to me it's LB first, someone to build your future around, and either Safety / NT or RB afterward....pending all other offseason moves.
                            But who? Brown...no chance, Curry...keep having wet dreams, and Maualuga...well if Maualuga is available it may be a no brainer, unless Denver signs Scott, Vilma or someother inside linebacker. Cushing and Matthews would be idiotic at the spot as would safety. Do not discount the idea...because no matter what fans think, football is won in the trenches and it has been our defensive trench in the most chite!

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                            • #15
                              My Thoughts and Opinions:


                              Overall I think its a fabulous draft that has a very small chance of happening. I think the round placement of most of the players is off by a full round or two.


                              1) I currently have Tyson Jackson going to the Jets at #17 Overall, so I don't think he's that much of a reach at #12. One thing is for sure, he will definitely be there.

                              He does have to show some athleticism at the Combine though, and I predict he will, to solidify his place in the Mid-1st.

                              All that being said, I do not believe we will take him. I think there will be a higher rated prospect still on the board, but I do believe 100% that Jackson is the Broncos "Plan Z" if everyone else is gone, not trading back.


                              2) Brace is receiving some hype. It's starting to become more likely he might be gone before we pick in the mid-2nd. At this point it's still unlikely, but he is the #3 DT after Raji and Jerry. As it stands, I agree with the selection though.


                              3) Connor Barwin is a long-term project. I'm not too thrilled with him, he'll have to show some impressive times at the Combine to be a 3rd rounder. One year as a pass rusher is not real encouraging. He'll definitely be there at this selection. I think he'll go in the 5th Round area.


                              4) I love Javon Ringer. He's a great blocker and receiver, as well as runner. I think he goes in the Late 2nd, early 3rd. He's in the battle with Brown and Greene for that 4th RB slot. He'd look really good in a Giants uniform replacing Derrick Ward. I really would be shocked if he gets out of the 3rd Round, he's such a complete RB, and those are rare.


                              5) Vaughn won't last until the 5th Round. He'll go in the 3rd Round. He's right there with Bruton and Hamlin.


                              6) The Holtzclaw pick seems somewhat reasonable, I don't think he'll be there though, but its realistic.


                              7) Turner is moving up, I think he goes before the 6th Round, maybe as high as the 4th.


                              8) Vasquez is good. He's one of the top OGs. I have him in the 3rd round.


                              9) No idea who Potter is.




                              Overall, I would give this draft an A++ if it happened. But the values are off by quite a bit on some of the prospects. I think your first 3 picks are reasonable, though I'm not a fan of Barwin at this time, and I think he's a 5th round prospect. I mean, he was playing TE until this last season, and Cincy doesn't exactly play a killer schedule against top OTs. But you get a bunch of 3rd Round guys in Rounds 4-6. Gotta love that, but it's not very likely. But we can always hope. I do hope for a draft like this.

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