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  • Its that time folks...MOCK IT DOWN.....PRE COMBINE MOCK

    IM bored, i just argued with my boss, and i feel like being lazy....So here is a new mock....Some new things to boggle your mind.....lol

    this will be my Pre combine mock, I will follow it up with a Post Pro Day mock in march, and a final mock in April 1 week before draft day.....


    Free Agency-

    1. FS Sean Jones- I have been a advocate of him for some time and i feel he has the skills to do well in the 3-4/4-3 hybrid so his versatility is a must for this Mock.

    2. DE Kenny Peterson- He did good things last year at DT for us and he Projects well as a power 3-4 DE for a hybird look. good versatility for this mock can play UT, and power DE if needed. He also wwas the best looking player when he was in the 3-4 at DE. he did well. so i feel he can excel there when we run it....

    3. SS James Sanders- A big improvement over Marquand, he plays the run well, and does well in the box. His versatility is good for the 4-3 or 3-4 looks.


    4. DE Mike wright- Pull him from new england he give us a solid guy at 3-4 LDE and he also can be an effective 4-3 LDE......give us the depth and talent to fill the spots....


    5. CB Justin Miller- Gives us good depth to finalize our CB core, wont cost much, and his return skills bolster our special teams ability.


    Draft-

    We trade our 12th pick to the New york Jets for their 17th and 3rd rd picks
    Now the reason they do this is because rex ryan needs a franchise QB stafford and sanchez fit the bill. However the vikings and tampa bay also need Qb's, and there are rumors washington may take 1 as well to push campbell. trading down 5 spots is very realistic as we traded up to get cutler in 2006. Neither Qb is at cutlers level, but when you have a dire need like QB you need to fill it. the jets are contenders with a Qb, it was favre that was the main reason they didnt make the playoffs last year. they dont have much work so giving up a 1st and 3rd to get a franchise Qb is usually a wise move for a new era.....


    Also please dont tell me this unrealistic as 5 first rd trades were made last year. I also believe that Detroit will pass on stafford and hope he falls or sanchez does. If not stanton is a former 2nd rd pick and kitna is servicable. Schwartz saw that a servicable Qb with a great defense can get you to the playoffs. I do not see qb at pick 1 for detroit anymore. Especially since they seem so high on drafting defense ASAP.....


    So we end up with a draft like this:



    1. DE/OLB larry english- He will be a beast pass rusher and has the skills to cover TE's well,he also is a great edge blitzer. I also feel he could do a good job of playing Sam LB in the 4-3 look, so he gives us good versatility for both schemes.

    2. RB Donald Brown- the guy is a perfect fit for the ZBS, he is very shifty and powerful, has game changing evasive manuevers, has great hands, and has unbelievable vision. He can and would be the franchise back we need. Pair him with torain, and hillis from the FB spot and we will be lethal next year.

    3. DT Dorell scott- His versatility is key here. He can play NT in the 4-3 and play NT in the 3-4. He gives us flexiblity at both spots as well as added talent to a DL for both schemes. he also has the height and size to be effective at power DE. he had a off senior year, but all of clemson did, and clemosn Dl have a good track record

    3. Michael Hamlin- He is a great tackler, does well in space, takes good angles and is very productive, some question his physicality, but he has averaged 90 tackles the past 2 years, as well as 5 INts, so he does both assets of the safety position well. he has good instincts and has the frame to add 15 lbs. he would be great depth behind James sanders while we groom him.

    4. ILB Scott Mckillop- probally has the best insticts of any ILB in the draft, very fundementally sound. His combine results wont wow anyone, but he can shed, cover, tackle!!! and blitz quite well. He gives us good versatility and depth for the 3-4 at ILB behind DJ, and spencer larsen, and he gives us a Back-up to DJ at Mike in the 4-3 looks.

    5. WR Mike Thomas- The guy runs great routes, has great hands, and has deceptively deep spped. he would be valuable Slot type reciver to groom behind stokley.

    5. DE/OLB Orion Martin- A highly versatile pass rusher for the 3-4 he would complete the Pass rush LB spot. He also has the ability to play Sam in the 4-3as he does posses, good speed, and edge blitzing ability.

    6. DE Jeremy Navarre- A perfetc fit for weak end in the 3-4 he can also play power end for the 4-3. his bread and butter is stopping the run, so he is a good depth and project pcik for both schemes.

    7. C/G Dallas Reynolds- Sadly, he will probally be a mid rd pick come draft day. He has 7th rd value right now, but he is super underated, key cog for a very good BYU offense, he is nasty and powerful, and loves to mix it up. Needs work in the passing game, but man he looks good at run blocking....

    7. WLB Braxton kelly- at 230 lbs he would have little effect in the 3-4, and would probally be last on the depth chart, however in the 4-3 he could back up woodyard at WLB



    3-4 Depth chart

    Donald brown Starts At RB
    Dallas Reynolds Backs up weigman or the guards
    Mike thomas backs up stokley in the slot



    LDE- Kenny Peterson/Mike Wright
    NT- Carlton Powell/Dorell Scott
    RDE- Marcus Thomas/Jeremy Navarre

    DE/OLB- Tim Crowder/Larry English/Elvis Dumervil/Jarvis Moss/Orion Martin
    ILB- DJ williams/ Spencer Larsen/Scott Mckillop/Jamie Winborn/Wesley woodyard/Braxton Kelly
    SS- James Sanders/Michael Hamlin
    FS- Sean Jones/Josh Barrett
    CB- Champ Bailey/Dre Bly/Justin Miller/Josh Bell/Jack williams



    4-3 Depth chart

    LDE- Mike wright/Navarre/Tim Crowder
    NT- Carlton Powell/Dorell Scott
    UT- Marcus Thomas/Kenny Peterson
    RDE- Elvis Dumervil/Jarvis Moss
    WLB- Wesely Woodyard/Braxton Kelly
    SLB- Larry english/Jamie winborn/Orion martin
    MLB- DJ williams/Scott Mckillop/Spencer Larsen
    FS- Sean Jones/Josh Barrett
    SS- James Sanders/Michael Hamlin
    CB- Champ Bailey/Dre Bly/Justin Miller/Josh bell/Jack williams



    Now think about it, we dont break the bank, we dont jepoardize a total defense loss. we improve agains the run in both schemes, and we keep offenses honest by switching looks. we also improve the pass rush in both schemes, as we now have a good ability to blitz outside in the 4-3 with our Sam LB and hide where he is coming from. we also have the best rush Lb in the draft not named everette brown for the 3-4 looks. I also really think a powell/dorrell scott NT combination for the 3-4 could work, while we focus next year on our monster NT. FYI i dont think raji or brace is likely for us at where we pick......in the 1st or second rds.....


    Overall we help our run issues, get versatile players, and get a upgraded pass rush.


    Now we wont be a top defense but we will be better than last year, and have more talent all around the ball on offense and defense. we also will be able to really focus on switching to the 3-4 next year if we want, because there are far better, and much more NT, and 3-4 DE prospects to choose from...this keeps us from sacrificing everything while gradually leaning to the 3-4. it also lets us see what we have in crowder, moss, dumervil and thomas, while not relying soley on them for success....



    Just my 2 cents hope you enjoy....:salute!:
    Last edited by elevation INC; 02-12-2009, 06:25 AM.

  • #2
    Me likey. It's pretty solid all around. There are only three things that I would like to see. Depending on who's on the board in the second, I'd probably rather not pick a RB at that spot. A safety or OLB appear that they might be good value here. Also, I worry that we have no proven OLB (veterans who have played in a 3-4 for even a season) or NT on the depth chart. I like the potential of all the pieces, but we gotta hope the rotation works well at nose, and that the rookies can put up some good numbers along with one of our current players at outside 'backer. All in all, though, I think this is the type of solid offseason that we should expect -- good upgrades in most if not all positions, but with a couple of project positions.

    CP to ya.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Broncos Bassist View Post
      Me likey. It's pretty solid all around. There are only three things that I would like to see. Depending on who's on the board in the second, I'd probably rather not pick a RB at that spot. A safety or OLB appear that they might be good value here. Also, I worry that we have no proven OLB (veterans who have played in a 3-4 for even a season) or NT on the depth chart. I like the potential of all the pieces, but we gotta hope the rotation works well at nose, and that the rookies can put up some good numbers along with one of our current players at outside 'backer. All in all, though, I think this is the type of solid offseason that we should expect -- good upgrades in most if not all positions, but with a couple of project positions.

      CP to ya.
      thats just it if we go 3-4 full time we really have to hope...if we use this format we can switch it up depending on each game and each matchup we have....thsi just keeps us from putting all our eggs in 1 basket while allowing us to slowly glide towards a full time 3-4....the ability to switch the looks up as we see fit could really throw teams off and create some solid mismatches


      and if we dont take a RB in rd 2 i would go for robert ayers as the alternate pick...he would upgrade our RDE position in the 4-3 looks, allowing dumervil to be a strict pass rusher......


      now I agree there is some risk, but it certainly isnt as high as going all in, plus in games where are NT is failing we can still run a very efefctive 4-3 with the players we have......


      thanks for the comments:salute!:

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      • #4
        I'd give it a 9 out of 10. Getting English, Brown, and Scott give it a passing grade right there, add in Hamlin, Sanders and Jones at safety McKillop at MLB I'm happy. Not to mention the offensive moves. There is one thing though, is there a draker green you could do the depth chart with? I feel like my eyes are gonna pop out every time I look at it. No offense, but that was the only thing I really didn't like about it.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by elevation INC View Post
          and if we dont take a RB in rd 2 i would go for robert ayers as the alternate pick...he would upgrade our RDE position in the 4-3 looks, allowing dumervil to be a strict pass rusher......

          now I agree there is some risk, but it certainly isnt as high as going all in, plus in games where are NT is failing we can still run a very efefctive 4-3 with the players we have......


          thanks for the comments:salute!:
          You're right, I wasn't really thinking about it in terms of 4-3 flexibility, I guess. I think I like the 3-4 upside more, but the proven performance of the 4-3 lineup. That makes it a pretty good first step to a transition to a primarily 3-4 look by 2010. I like it even better now with fresh eyes.

          And I could live with Ayers in the second. I'm not really sure I'd hate the RB choice, either. Hillis is a weapon, but we need a reliable (read: not made of glass) second back that complements him that can take a workload and follow #22 into a hole.
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          • #6
            Hey, that trade is unrealistic!!!


            I like Mike Wright as a 3-4 DE, I really like Sean Jones as a complete Safety, and I think Justin Miller as a KR/PR could be ok, but he can't really do anything else, and that soaks up a roster slot. Sanders and Peterson are meh, but I can see their usefulness.

            As for the actual mock draft, I think its pretty good, it makes sense. I do, however, believe Micheal Hamlin will be gone by the Early-3rd, I think Mike Thomas will go in the Late 3rd-Early 4th, and I think Dorell Scott is a 6th Rounder.

            I do like the English, Brown, and McKillip picks though, even if I disagree that RB and ILB are need areas for the first 4 rounds. Those are good, solid prospects.


            This is a pretty well thought out offseason mock.

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            • #7
              NO WAY!!!!!


              We will NOT take WR and a RB... And No Safties? English is and should be a second Rd pick... We will take Curry,Orakpo,or Rey with #1 and #2 should be Brace if he is gone, you take a S... NO to WR and no to RB...You can find them anywhere...
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              • #8
                arguing with your boss can get you fired .................


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                FA Targets: DT Jason Jones, DT Pat Simms, S Reggie Smith, LB Dan Connor



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                • #9
                  Please not Donald Brown. I think he will struggle in the NFL because when he cuts back, his speed slows down a lot. If you look at the great RBs in the league, they make their cuts while keeping their momentum.

                  As a solution, draft Shonn Greene

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                  • #10
                    Interesting mock. Like the English pick. But safety play does not depend on your front, whether its a 3-4 or 4-3. So I don't get what you are trying to say when you imply that the FA safties can play in a 3-4 or 4-3.
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                    • #11
                      I like it but I am wondering if Brown has a lot of wear and tear on him already. If so then he would not last as long but other than that I like, especially the Orion Martin pick.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mx_stiles13 View Post
                        Please not Donald Brown. I think he will struggle in the NFL because when he cuts back, his speed slows down a lot. If you look at the great RBs in the league, they make their cuts while keeping their momentum.

                        As a solution, draft Shonn Greene

                        this is donald browns anaylsis from pre combine info from NFL
                        http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/...e-tab-analysis


                        FYI everything it says is about him being fast and decptively quick in an out of breaks.....I understand you liek shonn greene and thats fine, but at least know what your talking about when you diss a player....j/k


                        Analysis
                        Positives: Compact build. Runs with a low center of gravity. Good speed to and through the hole. Best attributes might be his vision and stop-and-start ability. Shifty runner who can slide in and out of the hole at the point of attack and hit the seam before it really opens. Deceptively fast once he gets to the second level. Good balance to appear to lean one way to deceive the oncoming safety, only to bounce the other. At least adequate straight-line speed to gain yardage in chunks. Soft hands out of the backfield and an alert receiver. High effort player.



                        Negatives: A bit narrow in his shoulders and might lack the frame to add much weight. Might lack the bulk and leg drive to be a true bell-cow runner at the NFL level. Lacks elite speed to breakaway from NFL defenders. Marginal size and strength as a pass blocker. Struggles of past Connecticut backs to translate their collegiate success to the NFL will force some teams to pause on draft day, especially considering the role left tackle William Beatty -- himself a first-day prospect -- had on Brown's success.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by boxcar View Post
                          Interesting mock. Like the English pick. But safety play does not depend on your front, whether its a 3-4 or 4-3. So I don't get what you are trying to say when you imply that the FA safties can play in a 3-4 or 4-3.
                          my point was that we would be in a versatile hybrid scheme, so it wouldnt matter for the safties as they have shown the ability to do good things....

                          some safties actually can only play ceratin spots in certain schemes, with jones and sanders this isnt the case

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cutler=Elway View Post
                            NO WAY!!!!!


                            We will NOT take WR and a RB... And No Safties? English is and should be a second Rd pick... We will take Curry,Orakpo,or Rey with #1 and #2 should be Brace if he is gone, you take a S... NO to WR and no to RB...You can find them anywhere...


                            okay pat bowlen calm down, Michael hamlin is a safety, english is already a top 25 pick pre combine, and brace will be be long gonbe before we pick in the second rd

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by elevation INC View Post
                              IM bored, i just argued with my boss, and i feel like being lazy....So here is a new mock....Some new things to boggle your mind.....lol

                              this will be my Pre combine mock, I will follow it up with a Post Pro Day mock in march, and a final mock in April 1 week before draft day.....


                              Free Agency-

                              1. FS Sean Jones- I have been a advocate of him for some time and i feel he has the skills to do well in the 3-4/4-3 hybrid so his versatility is a must for this Mock.

                              2. DE Kenny Peterson- He did good things last year at DT for us and he Projects well as a power 3-4 DE for a hybird look. good versatility for this mock can play UT, and power DE if needed. He also wwas the best looking player when he was in the 3-4 at DE. he did well. so i feel he can excel there when we run it....

                              3. SS James Sanders- A big improvement over Marquand, he plays the run well, and does well in the box. His versatility is good for the 4-3 or 3-4 looks.


                              4. DE Mike wright- Pull him from new england he give us a solid guy at 3-4 LDE and he also can be an effective 4-3 LDE......give us the depth and talent to fill the spots....


                              5. CB Justin Miller- Gives us good depth to finalize our CB core, wont cost much, and his return skills bolster our special teams ability.


                              Draft-

                              We trade our 12th pick to the New york Jets for their 17th and 3rd rd picks
                              Now the reason they do this is because rex ryan needs a franchise QB stafford and sanchez fit the bill. However the vikings and tampa bay also need Qb's, and there are rumors washington may take 1 as well to push campbell. trading down 5 spots is very realistic as we traded up to get cutler in 2006. Neither Qb is at cutlers level, but when you have a dire need like QB you need to fill it. the jets are contenders with a Qb, it was favre that was the main reason they didnt make the playoffs last year. they dont have much work so giving up a 1st and 3rd to get a franchise Qb is usually a wise move for a new era.....


                              Also please dont tell me this unrealistic as 5 first rd trades were made last year. I also believe that Detroit will pass on stafford and hope he falls or sanchez does. If not stanton is a former 2nd rd pick and kitna is servicable. Schwartz saw that a servicable Qb with a great defense can get you to the playoffs. I do not see qb at pick 1 for detroit anymore. Especially since they seem so high on drafting defense ASAP.....


                              So we end up with a draft like this:



                              1. DE/OLB larry english- He will be a beast pass rusher and has the skills to cover TE's well,he also is a great edge blitzer. I also feel he could do a good job of playing Sam LB in the 4-3 look, so he gives us good versatility for both schemes.

                              2. RB Donald Brown- the guy is a perfect fit for the ZBS, he is very shifty and powerful, has game changing evasive manuevers, has great hands, and has unbelievable vision. He can and would be the franchise back we need. Pair him with torain, and hillis from the FB spot and we will be lethal next year.

                              3. DT Dorell scott- His versatility is key here. He can play NT in the 4-3 and play NT in the 3-4. He gives us flexiblity at both spots as well as added talent to a DL for both schemes. he also has the height and size to be effective at power DE. he had a off senior year, but all of clemson did, and clemosn Dl have a good track record

                              3. Michael Hamlin- He is a great tackler, does well in space, takes good angles and is very productive, some question his physicality, but he has averaged 90 tackles the past 2 years, as well as 5 INts, so he does both assets of the safety position well. he has good instincts and has the frame to add 15 lbs. he would be great depth behind James sanders while we groom him.

                              4. ILB Scott Mckillop- probally has the best insticts of any ILB in the draft, very fundementally sound. His combine results wont wow anyone, but he can shed, cover, tackle!!! and blitz quite well. He gives us good versatility and depth for the 3-4 at ILB behind DJ, and spencer larsen, and he gives us a Back-up to DJ at Mike in the 4-3 looks.

                              5. WR Mike Thomas- The guy runs great routes, has great hands, and has deceptively deep spped. he would be valuable Slot type reciver to groom behind stokley.

                              5. DE/OLB Orion Martin- A highly versatile pass rusher for the 3-4 he would complete the Pass rush LB spot. He also has the ability to play Sam in the 4-3as he does posses, good speed, and edge blitzing ability.

                              6. DE Jeremy Navarre- A perfetc fit for weak end in the 3-4 he can also play power end for the 4-3. his bread and butter is stopping the run, so he is a good depth and project pcik for both schemes.

                              7. C/G Dallas Reynolds- Sadly, he will probally be a mid rd pick come draft day. He has 7th rd value right now, but he is super underated, key cog for a very good BYU offense, he is nasty and powerful, and loves to mix it up. Needs work in the passing game, but man he looks good at run blocking....

                              7. WLB Braxton kelly- at 230 lbs he would have little effect in the 3-4, and would probally be last on the depth chart, however in the 4-3 he could back up woodyard at WLB



                              3-4 Depth chart

                              Donald brown Starts At RB
                              Dallas Reynolds Backs up weigman or the guards
                              Mike thomas backs up stokley in the slot



                              LDE- Kenny Peterson/Mike Wright
                              NT- Carlton Powell/Dorell Scott
                              RDE- Marcus Thomas/Jeremy Navarre

                              DE/OLB- Tim Crowder/Larry English/Elvis Dumervil/Jarvis Moss/Orion Martin
                              ILB- DJ williams/ Spencer Larsen/Scott Mckillop/Jamie Winborn/Wesley woodyard/Braxton Kelly
                              SS- James Sanders/Michael Hamlin
                              FS- Sean Jones/Josh Barrett
                              CB- Champ Bailey/Dre Bly/Justin Miller/Josh Bell/Jack williams



                              4-3 Depth chart

                              LDE- Mike wright/Navarre/Tim Crowder
                              NT- Carlton Powell/Dorell Scott
                              UT- Marcus Thomas/Kenny Peterson
                              RDE- Elvis Dumervil/Jarvis Moss
                              WLB- Wesely Woodyard/Braxton Kelly
                              SLB- Larry english/Jamie winborn/Orion martin
                              MLB- DJ williams/Scott Mckillop/Spencer Larsen
                              FS- Sean Jones/Josh Barrett
                              SS- James Sanders/Michael Hamlin
                              CB- Champ Bailey/Dre Bly/Justin Miller/Josh bell/Jack williams



                              Now think about it, we dont break the bank, we dont jepoardize a total defense loss. we improve agains the run in both schemes, and we keep offenses honest by switching looks. we also improve the pass rush in both schemes, as we now have a good ability to blitz outside in the 4-3 with our Sam LB and hide where he is coming from. we also have the best rush Lb in the draft not named everette brown for the 3-4 looks. I also really think a powell/dorrell scott NT combination for the 3-4 could work, while we focus next year on our monster NT. FYI i dont think raji or brace is likely for us at where we pick......in the 1st or second rds.....


                              Overall we help our run issues, get versatile players, and get a upgraded pass rush.


                              Now we wont be a top defense but we will be better than last year, and have more talent all around the ball on offense and defense. we also will be able to really focus on switching to the 3-4 next year if we want, because there are far better, and much more NT, and 3-4 DE prospects to choose from...this keeps us from sacrificing everything while gradually leaning to the 3-4. it also lets us see what we have in crowder, moss, dumervil and thomas, while not relying soley on them for success....



                              Just my 2 cents hope you enjoy....:salute!:
                              Like the free agency additions, the draft is not so sound, IMHO of course. Other then that it is alright, but nothing to be excited about.

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