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  • 24TheCHAMP24
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    Originally posted by fraguela09 View Post
    http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...y_deal_be.html

    "As the relationship between the Denver Broncos and quarterback Jay Cutler continues to get worse, the Detroit Lions might renew their interest in trading for the three-year veteran.

    According to various reports, the Lions recently tried to swing a deal for Cutler in exchange for their second-round draft pick. Detroit would've sent the pick to the New England Patriots in exchange for Matt Cassel, who then would've been dealt immediately to the Broncos for Cutler.

    That deal fell apart and it appeared any trade hopes would end there because the Broncos wanted a veteran QB in exchange for Cutler.

    Now that Cutler might try to force a trade by not showing up for offseason workouts next week, the Lions likely are sniffing around again.

    If the situation continues to worsen in Denver, the Broncos might be willing to take Detroit's 20th overall pick for Cutler. It's also possible, though, that Denver will want to wait and see if they can get a quarterback in the first round with that pick.

    If the Broncos like USC's Mark Sanchez or Kansas State's Josh Freeman and one of those quarterbacks still is available at No. 20, the Broncos might be more inclined to swing the deal.

    The one hangup is if the Lions are leaning toward drafting Georgia QB Matthew Stafford with the first overall pick. While the Lions clearly would prefer a veteran to take over at quarterback, they might not be willing to roll the dice -- passing on Stafford and then having a trade with Denver fall through and end up with nothing.

    However, it's possible the Lions like Sanchez and/or Freeman at No. 20, so there would be no risk involved. If the Lions don't deal the pick, they draft a rookie quarterback.

    Another potential hurdle is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who also were reportedly trying to trade for Cutler. At the time, it appeared the Bucs were willing to give up more in a deal for Cutler. The Lions have more ammunition than the Bucs and could put together a better deal but it's a question of how many of their resources the Lions want to commit to a trade.

    If Cutler shows up at the offseason workouts next Monday and the ill feelings begin to get smoothed over, the possibility of a trade diminishes. If Cutler's attitude toward the organization stays sour -- and he stays away -- the rumors are going to be flying fast and furious.

    And there's going to be some truth to a few of them."

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    Here's the problem:

    DET aint dealing away BOTH first round picks... probably not even the 1st pick in this draft... for Cutler

    AND... DEN aint trading Cutler for the 20th selection. Not even that pick and Peterson.

    Maybe... Maybe... Cutler & Scheffler for Peterson, and we swap picks (our first round & second round selections) and we get their 20th pick.

    I just don't see anything happening. DET wont overpay for Cutler, and unless someone overpays for Cutler, DEN wont trade him.

    I still have a hard time believing we wanted to trade Cutler for Cassel straight up... without getting at least an extra first rounder. This writer says DET was going to send their 2nd round pick and we would exchange that for MC... PLEASE. Also, that deal w/ Tampa... Where we would get TB's 1st/3rd and we send our first for Cutler.... PLEASE.

    I mean, Cassel will make THIRTEEN million dollars more than Cutler next year... Take that salary cap...

    All this information... being "leaked" ... is porbably coming from Bill Bellycheat. Who trusts anything from that mouth? He hates the media... is only using it this time... to settle a score with Mcdaniels for stealing Paxton & Gaff... It's all "HE-SAID- SHE SAID" right now... NOBODY knows... everything is from "sources" ... PLEASE. We do not know what happened.

    If Mcdaniels says people apporached him, and that he didn't like what he was getting IN ADDITION TO MC... I trust him. I do not trust Bellycheat, and his axe to grind... AND IT IS WORKING. People are falling for it.

    People can show me a link... 20 links... EVERYONE has a different take on what happened, and what was offered... You know what? We'll find out soon enough, and I imagine come May... Cutler is still in DEN.
    Tom Killer Kowalski and Mlive are garbage so take what is reported here with a grain of salt

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  • JvDub95
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    Originally posted by RunYouOver View Post
    Peterson, #1, #20 and next year's first rounder for Cutler, and only Cutler.


    That's the deal, and nothing less.

    Anything less than that and I'm pissed. If it is that, well...I'm actually excited.
    You may have to be pissed, there is no way that Cutler is worth that much. If Jay is traded, imo, the #20 will land him and saying that a 1st will get him is almost stretching it. I know that he has tremendous talent but lets not forget he has a losing record as a starter and not to mention a very poor attitude.

    Peterson and a 2nd, or Peterson and their 2 thirds maybe but no way they give up both first rounders for him. You might be able to make an argument that they could give up the #1 over all for him if they were planning on drafting Stafford, why not trade for someone with game experience instead of an unproven rookie.

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  • wandlc
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    In Detroit, if they can half way block, Jay would be throwing to Calvin Johnson. Not a bad receiving option to throw to.

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  • RunYouOver
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    Originally posted by jcdavey View Post
    third full season with the team, but as for qbs, if you did trade cutler for freeman or sanchez, both cutler or a new qb would be in their "first" year in a mcdaniels system

    Sure...but third full season in the NFL. Third full season with Marshall, Stokely, Scheffler, etc.

    There's a HUGE difference.

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  • fraguela09
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    Originally posted by RunYouOver View Post
    You know, this is what has me so pissed off now. Obviously what I would settle for (as I'm sure quite a few other Bronco fans would settle for; 2 firsts and a first next year) is ridiculous. But don't you see what happens to US if they can't make us a ridiculous offer and we accept it.

    If we did a trade for the 20th pick in the draft...we'd have our draft pick at #12 like nothing happened....and we'd be trading CUTLER FOR FREEMAN/SANCHEZ STRAIGHT UP.

    Is anyone else missing the problem here. We're trading away our franchise QB, who would now be entering his THIRD full season with the team for an unproven rookie who might wind up doing **** in the NFL.

    This whole things ridiculous, and while I did calm down and am still, as always, pumped for this season, McDbag has really, REALLY screwed up here.

    I mean, let's just say Cutler has decided he does not want to return. Do you realize what this does for our franchise?

    I thought firing Shanny set us back 3 years...losing Cutler sets us back an additional 3 years. We're looking at half a decade before we could be competitive again, or I should say half a decade before we could be a major player in the AFC.

    This really sucks.

    WHY WOULDN'T DET DO THIS DEAL? I mean, they could turn their #1 pick into multiple picks, or they would be free to draft someone other than a QB... Draft a LT or something.

    I mean, in essence, since DET traded Roy Williams to DALLAS for their 1st and 3rd... Basically, this would mean they traded RW for Cutler and a 3rd. LOL... Who would trade Cutler & a 3rd rounder for Roy Williams?

    SO, I laugh when rumors surface where it's hinted DET would eb willing to part w/ their 20th selection for Cutler- DUH... of course they would be willing!

    ALSO... again.... if Mcdaniels approached this, or did what some have claimed, then he would be an idiot. I, for one, while not defending his actions... HAVE TO give him the benefit of doubt unitl I hear otherwise.

    I mean... just look at the $$$$... Cutler makes a million in 2009 but MC makes 14 million? Please, I do not believe we were going to make some of these potential deals I am hearing about.

    These leaks are coming FROM THE ENEMY... who wish to divide and conquor... these rumors are coming from teams TRYING TO ACQUIRE Cutler... who seek to lower Cutler's value (and force a trade)... and these leaks coming from AN AGENT who wants to procur more money for his client.

    SO, again... using common sense... I have to believe Mcdaniels just answered the phone, didn't like what was offered and declined.

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  • jcdavey
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    Originally posted by RunYouOver View Post
    You know, this is what has me so pissed off now. Obviously what I would settle for (as I'm sure quite a few other Bronco fans would settle for; 2 firsts and a first next year) is ridiculous. But don't you see what happens to US if they can't make us a ridiculous offer and we accept it.

    If we did a trade for the 20th pick in the draft...we'd have our draft pick at #12 like nothing happened....and we'd be trading CUTLER FOR FREEMAN/SANCHEZ STRAIGHT UP.

    Is anyone else missing the problem here. We're trading away our franchise QB, who would now be entering his THIRD full season with the team for an unproven rookie who might wind up doing **** in the NFL.

    This whole things ridiculous, and while I did calm down and am still, as always, pumped for this season, McDbag has really, REALLY screwed up here.

    I mean, let's just say Cutler has decided he does not want to return. Do you realize what this does for our franchise?

    I thought firing Shanny set us back 3 years...losing Cutler sets us back an additional 3 years. We're looking at half a decade before we could be competitive again, or I should say half a decade before we could be a major player in the AFC.

    This really sucks.
    third full season with the team, but as for qbs, if you did trade cutler for freeman or sanchez, both cutler or a new qb would be in their "first" year in a mcdaniels system

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  • rojo1289
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    Originally posted by Cutler=Elway View Post
    I know it is I'm just saying...

    Why would they trade what they need for something they dont? And he is a NOLAN guy...Make sense?
    are you stupid? You just said and 0-16 team doesn't need somethign? obviously who they had wasn't working! They need change, they need upgrades, they also have a new coach so change is coming. This is a stupid opinion, and even a stupider comment to say the lions don't need something. They need all the help they can get.

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  • jcdavey
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    Originally posted by Twizlers View Post
    Broncos already said they weren't trading Cutler. I HIGHLY doubt they will back out of their word after what all has gone thru.
    they could have done that just to get a team to make a better offer, they can always blame it on jay if they do trade him, and say he forced them to

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  • TheSmith28
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    Originally posted by Cutler=Elway View Post
    I know it is I'm just saying...

    Why would they trade what they need for something they dont? And he is a NOLAN guy...Make sense?


    what doesn't make sense is that your still flooding this board with this rumor crap! give it a freakin rest...and your buddy too.

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  • RunYouOver
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    Originally posted by fraguela09 View Post
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    Here's the problem:

    DET aint dealing away BOTH first round picks... probably not even the 1st pick in this draft... for Cutler

    AND... DEN aint trading Cutler for the 20th selection. Not even that pick and Peterson.

    Maybe... Maybe... Cutler & Scheffler for Peterson, and we swap picks (our first round & second round selections) and we get their 20th pick.

    I just don't see anything happening. DET wont overpay for Cutler, and unless someone overpays for Cutler, DEN wont trade him.

    I still have a hard time believing we wanted to trade Cutler for Cassel straight up... without getting at least an extra first rounder. This writer says DET was going to send their 2nd round pick and we would exchange that for MC... PLEASE. Also, that deal w/ Tampa... Where we would get TB's 1st/3rd and we send our first for Cutler.... PLEASE.

    I mean, Cassel will make THIRTEEN million dollars more than Cutler next year... Take that salary cap...

    All this information... being "leaked" ... is porbably coming from Bill Bellycheat. Who trusts anything from that mouth? He hates the media... is only using it this time... to settle a score with Mcdaniels for stealing Paxton & Gaff... It's all "HE-SAID- SHE SAID" right now... NOBODY knows... everything is from "sources" ... PLEASE. We do not know what happened.

    If Mcdaniels says people apporached him, and that he didn't like what he was getting IN ADDITION TO MC... I trust him. I do not trust Bellycheat, and his axe to grind... AND IT IS WORKING. People are falling for it.

    People can show me a link... 20 links... EVERYONE has a different take on what happened, and what was offered... You know what? We'll find out soon enough, and I imagine come May... Cutler is still in DEN.

    You know, this is what has me so pissed off now. Obviously what I would settle for (as I'm sure quite a few other Bronco fans would settle for; 2 firsts and a first next year) is ridiculous. But don't you see what happens to US if they can't make us a ridiculous offer and we accept it.

    If we did a trade for the 20th pick in the draft...we'd have our draft pick at #12 like nothing happened....and we'd be trading CUTLER FOR FREEMAN/SANCHEZ STRAIGHT UP.

    Is anyone else missing the problem here. We're trading away our franchise QB, who would now be entering his THIRD full season with the team for an unproven rookie who might wind up doing **** in the NFL.

    This whole things ridiculous, and while I did calm down and am still, as always, pumped for this season, McDbag has really, REALLY screwed up here.

    I mean, let's just say Cutler has decided he does not want to return. Do you realize what this does for our franchise?

    I thought firing Shanny set us back 3 years...losing Cutler sets us back an additional 3 years. We're looking at half a decade before we could be competitive again, or I should say half a decade before we could be a major player in the AFC.

    This really sucks.

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  • RunYouOver
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    Originally posted by PaperBagBronco View Post
    Your nuts, the guy has not put up those type of numbers to deserve that. His highest QB rating (number #12 in the NFL) was in 2007 and you think that we will get all that for him? ROFL please.
    Not yet he hasn't.

    Please keep in mind his physical skills and his age. Plus the crappy conditions he played in last year. Plus the Lions current QB. Plus the # of times a QB like this is even AVAILABLE.

    Is it far fetched? Sure.

    My point is, unless we're getting THAT much, we can't afford to trade him.

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  • fraguela09
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    http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...y_deal_be.html

    "As the relationship between the Denver Broncos and quarterback Jay Cutler continues to get worse, the Detroit Lions might renew their interest in trading for the three-year veteran.

    According to various reports, the Lions recently tried to swing a deal for Cutler in exchange for their second-round draft pick. Detroit would've sent the pick to the New England Patriots in exchange for Matt Cassel, who then would've been dealt immediately to the Broncos for Cutler.

    That deal fell apart and it appeared any trade hopes would end there because the Broncos wanted a veteran QB in exchange for Cutler.

    Now that Cutler might try to force a trade by not showing up for offseason workouts next week, the Lions likely are sniffing around again.

    If the situation continues to worsen in Denver, the Broncos might be willing to take Detroit's 20th overall pick for Cutler. It's also possible, though, that Denver will want to wait and see if they can get a quarterback in the first round with that pick.

    If the Broncos like USC's Mark Sanchez or Kansas State's Josh Freeman and one of those quarterbacks still is available at No. 20, the Broncos might be more inclined to swing the deal.

    The one hangup is if the Lions are leaning toward drafting Georgia QB Matthew Stafford with the first overall pick. While the Lions clearly would prefer a veteran to take over at quarterback, they might not be willing to roll the dice -- passing on Stafford and then having a trade with Denver fall through and end up with nothing.

    However, it's possible the Lions like Sanchez and/or Freeman at No. 20, so there would be no risk involved. If the Lions don't deal the pick, they draft a rookie quarterback.

    Another potential hurdle is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who also were reportedly trying to trade for Cutler. At the time, it appeared the Bucs were willing to give up more in a deal for Cutler. The Lions have more ammunition than the Bucs and could put together a better deal but it's a question of how many of their resources the Lions want to commit to a trade.

    If Cutler shows up at the offseason workouts next Monday and the ill feelings begin to get smoothed over, the possibility of a trade diminishes. If Cutler's attitude toward the organization stays sour -- and he stays away -- the rumors are going to be flying fast and furious.

    And there's going to be some truth to a few of them."

    ==========

    Here's the problem:

    DET aint dealing away BOTH first round picks... probably not even the 1st pick in this draft... for Cutler

    AND... DEN aint trading Cutler for the 20th selection. Not even that pick and Peterson.

    Maybe... Maybe... Cutler & Scheffler for Peterson, and we swap picks (our first round & second round selections) and we get their 20th pick.

    I just don't see anything happening. DET wont overpay for Cutler, and unless someone overpays for Cutler, DEN wont trade him.

    I still have a hard time believing we wanted to trade Cutler for Cassel straight up... without getting at least an extra first rounder. This writer says DET was going to send their 2nd round pick and we would exchange that for MC... PLEASE. Also, that deal w/ Tampa... Where we would get TB's 1st/3rd and we send our first for Cutler.... PLEASE.

    I mean, Cassel will make THIRTEEN million dollars more than Cutler next year... Take that salary cap...

    All this information... being "leaked" ... is porbably coming from Bill Bellycheat. Who trusts anything from that mouth? He hates the media... is only using it this time... to settle a score with Mcdaniels for stealing Paxton & Gaff... It's all "HE-SAID- SHE SAID" right now... NOBODY knows... everything is from "sources" ... PLEASE. We do not know what happened.

    If Mcdaniels says people apporached him, and that he didn't like what he was getting IN ADDITION TO MC... I trust him. I do not trust Bellycheat, and his axe to grind... AND IT IS WORKING. People are falling for it.

    People can show me a link... 20 links... EVERYONE has a different take on what happened, and what was offered... You know what? We'll find out soon enough, and I imagine come May... Cutler is still in DEN.

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  • Twizlers
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    Broncos already said they weren't trading Cutler. I HIGHLY doubt they will back out of their word after what all has gone thru.

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  • ItalianBronco
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    Originally posted by AznBroncoFan View Post
    duh...Redding is OVERPAID and sucks. I don't know what you've been seeing out of him. Schwartz did the right thing to get rid of him. I'd take Peterson over him anyday. Let's see....Peterson, Simms, and drafting Curry would make a pretty good starting LB trio.



    Trade brings No. 1 overall pick into focus

    March 14, 2009 3:50 PM

    Posted by ESPN.com's Kevin Seifert

    Barring a significant change over the next six weeks, Detroit has greatly diminished the possibility that it will select Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry with the No. 1 overall pick of next month's draft.



    Peterson


    Redding

    That's a primary upshot of the trade that sent Lions defensive tackle Cory Redding to Seattle in exchange for linebacker Julian Peterson on Saturday. Peterson will pair with Ernie Sims, the Lions' top returning defensive player, to give the Lions veteran bookends at the linebacker position. Curry primarily played outside linebacker during his college career, meaning someone would have to change positions -- or Sims would have to be the next to move on -- for Curry to fit into the 2009 starting lineup in what is expected to be a 4-3 defense.

    Peterson will turn 31 this summer and has seen his sack total fall in each of the past two seasons after notching 10.5 for the Seahawks in 2006. But he is still enough of a pass-rushing threat that teams will have to account for his presence, a modest obstacle the Lions have rarely benefited from in recent years.



    TELL ME WHERE CURRY FITS SMART ONE? BOOKENDS DIZON IN THE MIDDLE? THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE....JP is making about 6 mill more then CR just thought you should know...He is a 4.5 cap hit to Seattle...He is making almost double a year then Redding but good try.

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  • PaperBagBronco
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    Originally posted by RunYouOver View Post
    Peterson, #1, #20 and next year's first rounder for Cutler, and only Cutler.


    That's the deal, and nothing less.

    Anything less than that and I'm pissed. If it is that, well...I'm actually excited.

    Your nuts, the guy has not put up those type of numbers to deserve that. His highest QB rating (number #12 in the NFL) was in 2007 and you think that we will get all that for him? ROFL please.

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