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  • Hard to believe Broncos' great fortune

    One perspective from one writer.

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30020103/

    Well, it certainly seems like the Denver Broncos have made chicken salad out of a chicken-bleep situation.

    Sending Jay Cutler — a guy they no longer had any use or respect for — to the Bears for a first-round pick this year? And another one next year? And a third-round pick? And a quarterback named Kyle Orton who may not be a superstar but is more than serviceable?

    Josh McDaniels may make it to Thanksgiving with his job intact after all.

    Depending upon how Denver uses these picks, this deal could wind up as a mini-version of the Herschel Walker trade from 1989. That deal between the Cowboys and Vikings wound up being the springboard for the Dallas dynasty of the early 90s. This one — while not as large in volume (18 players moved in that deal) — has the potential to make as important an impact.

    You just don’t see deals in which multiple first-rounders move with only one player and a low-round pick (a fifth-rounder this year) coming back. Never mind the fact that it’s two first-rounders AND a third AND a starter.

    All for a quarterback who’s got a record of 17-20 in the NFL, has shown questionable maturity over the past month and has tender feelings that are easily ruffled. Did the Bears fully vet Cutler before making this deal? Could they have? Will they now be on the other end of a Bus Cook stickup as he looks for a new deal from his client who’s been through oh, so much?

    That’s not Denver’s problem.

    The Broncos are suddenly sitting somewhat pretty. They have the 12th- and 18th-overall picks in this month’s draft. It’s not beyond the pale to think they might be able to get either Mark Sanchez or Josh Freeman with one of those picks and let him understudy beneath Orton for a season. Or, if they feel sold on Orton by the time the draft comes, they can key in on their woebegone defense and get that spruced up.

    Overall, they have picks Nos. 12, 18, 48, 79 and 84 on the first day. And that fifth-rounder they sent Chicago? They had a spare.

    There’s not doubt a segment of Colorado is pretty peeved at their football team right now. They’ve watched enough Cutler to know that he seems very skilled. They’ve been told how strong his arm is, how he makes all the throws, that he’s tough, and on and on. It’s not going to be easy for them to just push that plate away and start spoonfeeding themselves Kyle Orton.

    But the two kids have more in common than horrible haircuts. Quietly, Orton turned into a pretty good quarterback for the Bears last year, going 9-6 as the starter and throwing 18 touchdowns and 12 picks. And while a quarterback's record isn't as important as a starting pitcher's, Orton's 21-12 as a starter.

    Perhaps more importantly, he had to compete to earn his job with Chicago. That gives a player a certain toughness. And he’s also got the motivating fact of the Bears sending not just him but those draft picks to Denver in exchange for Cutler. What could be sweeter for Orton than outplaying Cutler going forward? And with young Ryan Clady protecting his blindside and wideouts Eddie Royal and Brandon Marshall running routes for him, that’s not a stretch.

    Meanwhile, the Bears have rolled the dice. GM Jerry Angelo, head coach Lovie Smith and team president Ted Phillips put their necks on the line for the mercurial Cutler in the same way the brass up in Buffalo did for Terrell Owens. Another season of mediocrity may have meant their jobs anyway, what good do future draft picks do them? Push the chips into the middle of the table, put your forehead in your palms and hope very, very hard. That’s what the Bears brass will be doing in 2009.

    But it could work out just as well in Chicago. While it’s clearly not as talented a team as it was in the middle of the decade, the Bears’ problem has been the ability to put up points and move offensively. Cutler immediately ups their chances of doing that. The Bears might be pretty good.

    Which, after observing Cutler’s act for the past month, is the only downside to be found in this whole deal. Sweet Baby Jay may have an enjoyable season after all. Is there any way the Bears can still get him to Detroit?
    I don't know much about Xanders' ability to judge talent, or the current FO's ability to come to a unified decision on who to take, but this is a golden opportunity for a franchise that's got little to show in the postseason for the past 10 years.

    In Mc-Xanders' we trust.
    Last edited by Pruke; 04-04-2009, 08:45 PM.
    Hate List for 2016-2017 Season: 1. Oakland, 2. New England, 3. Kansas City, 4. Pittsburgh and 5. Houston (yes, Houston....)

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    I don't know how people aren't more happy around here. Granted, Cutler is a great QB with all the untapped potential. But, he was blessed with a great O-Line, a proven running scheme, and top-tier skill players. Orton has gone 21-12 throwing to guys like Desmond Clark, Greg Olsen, Rashied Davis, Devin Hester, and Brandon Lloyd. If you put a proven winner (Orton) into this offense, we will not only be more careful with the football, but we will see a more potent scoring offense because of his ability to take what is given to him, rather than him trying to put a seed through multiple defenders because he plays to his abilities. He's a locker room guy, something that as of late it appears that Cutler might be lacking in. He knows what is expected of him and he is willing to do whatever it takes to win.

    The extra 1st rounders, and 3rd rounder, will go to making this team as a whole more complete, and really help in terms of filling the holes on this roster. We could very easily leave this years draft with a D full of talent, and players who fit the mold of what we are trying to do here. People around here need to really think about the situation: it was never going to work out after Cutler was mentioned in trade talks, so, take it for what it's worth, and in actuality, we are going to be fine. We got a starting QB, 2 firsts, and a 3rd rounder all for a QB that is an elite talent, which is something that isn't necessary in McDaniels' O. If McDaniels can turn Cassel into a winner, imagine what he can do already with a proven contributor, and winner, in Kyle Orton. We all just need to really dissect the trade with true subjectivity, instead of with our Cutler-Glasses on.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Snarfalicious View Post
      I don't know how people aren't more happy around here. Granted, Cutler is a great QB with all the untapped potential. But, he was blessed with a great O-Line, a proven running scheme, and top-tier skill players. Orton has gone 21-12 throwing to guys like Desmond Clark, Greg Olsen, Rashied Davis, Devin Hester, and Brandon Lloyd. If you put a proven winner (Orton) into this offense, we will not only be more careful with the football, but we will see a more potent scoring offense because of his ability to take what is given to him, rather than him trying to put a seed through multiple defenders because he plays to his abilities. He's a locker room guy, something that as of late it appears that Cutler might be lacking in. He knows what is expected of him and he is willing to do whatever it takes to win.

      The extra 1st rounders, and 3rd rounder, will go to making this team as a whole more complete, and really help in terms of filling the holes on this roster. We could very easily leave this years draft with a D full of talent, and players who fit the mold of what we are trying to do here. People around here need to really think about the situation: it was never going to work out after Cutler was mentioned in trade talks, so, take it for what it's worth, and in actuality, we are going to be fine. We got a starting QB, 2 firsts, and a 3rd rounder all for a QB that is an elite talent, which is something that isn't necessary in McDaniels' O. If McDaniels can turn Cassel into a winner, imagine what he can do already with a proven contributor, and winner, in Kyle Orton. We all just need to really dissect the trade with true subjectivity, instead of with our Cutler-Glasses on.
      Agreed 100%

      If McD and Xanders use these picks wisely, all these moaning Broncos fans will forget about Jay Cutler in 3 or 4 years when we are winning titles!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by KWHIT97 View Post
        Agreed 100%

        If McD and Xanders use these picks wisely, all these moaning Broncos fans will forget about Jay Cutler in 3 or 4 years when we are winning titles!
        You and Snarf... make great posts. How hard is it to put together the foundation of a team that makes the postseason consistently over a 5+ year period? I wish I had time to see how many teams have pulled that feat off in the past 20 years - it's not many. Not sure if the Ravens did, but they seem to be in contention every year and more often than us, lately, in the playoffs.

        Anyone have any idea of Xanders' skills in the FO around talent evaluation? The only thing I know is what the Shanny FO, Rick Smith and the Goodmans have produced in recent years and it's been a boon on O. They're gone and now that we have this plethora of picks, I'm curious if anyone has insight into the people pulling the levers....
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        • #5
          Wow - What's going on here ???? People who can look at this situation with logic and reality ???? I agree completely - My hope is the FO manuvers the draft and picks BPA in every round

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          • #6
            I did a little more digging around Xanders / McD regarding experience with talent evaluation.

            I didn't find anything on McD, but found this on a SI.com article -

            http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ler/index.html

            Will McDaniels, 32, and Xanders, 37, do better than their predecessor, who had total control over football operations? Perhaps. But former Atlanta executive Ken Herock sounded a trumpet of caution earlier this year in an interview with Jeff Legwold, then of the Rocky Mountain News.

            While with the Falcons in 1994, Herock hired Xanders primarily to work with the salary cap. When asked about Xanders in his new position, Herock praised his football background but added: "Brian's never scouted on the road. He doesn't have those experiences going on the road, being at the practices, getting in there and getting to know guys. That's his challenge. He knows the cap, he understands the cap and he knows the technology that's used now to get the job done. His big thing will be to make the call on whether a guy can play or not and that now he has to know it all.

            "He has to be on target, and he's got to know everything -- free agency, the draft, the top player in Canada, what you're going to do with the developmental squad, all of it. You have to know what the hell is going on, and just being astute, just knowing the technology can't save you. You have to find players, it's that simple."

            Perhaps Xanders will prove to be more than ready for the role. Again, Herock spoke highly of him. But there are no guarantees in the NFL, and the draft is the biggest crapshoot going.
            You have to understand the context of the discussion - they're talking about Shanny's lack of success in the draft from 2000 - 2005 and whether X & McD will be able to do any better.

            (Oddly enough there is a RMN reference in there - kinda creepy...)
            Hate List for 2016-2017 Season: 1. Oakland, 2. New England, 3. Kansas City, 4. Pittsburgh and 5. Houston (yes, Houston....)

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            • #7
              While Xanders appears to be a bright person, he does not have much experience in talent evaluation.

              It appears McDaniels will be the primary person evaluating the talent.

              In other words - the next 3-5 years of this franchise, both talent acquisition and on field execution will depend largely on McDaniels. Sound familiar?
              Hate List for 2016-2017 Season: 1. Oakland, 2. New England, 3. Kansas City, 4. Pittsburgh and 5. Houston (yes, Houston....)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Pruke View Post
                I did a little more digging around Xanders / McD regarding experience with talent evaluation.

                I didn't find anything on McD, but found this on a SI.com article -

                http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ler/index.html



                You have to understand the context of the discussion - they're talking about Shanny's lack of success in the draft from 2000 - 2005 and whether X & McD will be able to do any better.

                (Oddly enough there is a RMN reference in there - kinda creepy...)


                So he worked for Herock and the Falcons 15 years ago and didn't know much about talent evaluation then......perhaps, just maybe, he has learned a thing or two since then? Man, for our sake, I hope so.....

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 4th Amigo View Post
                  So he worked for Herock and the Falcons 15 years ago and didn't know much about talent evaluation then......perhaps, just maybe, he has learned a thing or two since then? Man, for our sake, I hope so.....
                  Given the significance of this draft for us, I did even more digging.

                  1994-2007
                  Atlanta Falcons
                  (Director of Football Administration/Player Personnel Analyst)

                  2008
                  Denver Broncos
                  (Player Personnel/Salary Cap Manager/Football Operations)

                  2009-present
                  Denver Broncos
                  (General Manager)

                  Question I have not is - how much experience did he get as a player personnel analyst.

                  Xanders has certainly seen his career skyrocket since joining Denver. I hope he has not taken on too much, especially since he's going into the draft in t-minus 3 weeks...
                  Hate List for 2016-2017 Season: 1. Oakland, 2. New England, 3. Kansas City, 4. Pittsburgh and 5. Houston (yes, Houston....)

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