Why are some advocating taking a CB in the 1st?

[pitnlala]

Someone who has suggested this, please give your reasoning, b/c I really dont understand. I can think of at least 4-5 other positions that are of a greater immideate need.

Namely we dont have a single D lineman that is worthy of starting in the NFL for a 3-4 defense. We have tried going the route of 2 strong DB's. Without a pass rush, any DB can get burned.

The Pats were winning with a secondary that was seemingly pieced together week by week in some cases.

I think we need a CB in the later rounds maybe, but not before a few deffensive lineman, a safety, and possibly a QB and RB.

If McD drafts a CB in the first round, I will fight him!

[broncos SB2010]

Someone who has suggested this, please give your reasoning, b/c I really dont understand. I can think of at least 4-5 other positions that are of a greater immideate need.

Namely we dont have a single D lineman that is worthy of starting in the NFL for a 3-4 defense. We have tried going the route of 2 strong DB's. Without a pass rush, any DB can get burned.

The Pats were winning with a secondary that was seemingly pieced together week by week in some cases.

I think we need a CB in the later rounds maybe, but not before a few deffensive lineman, a safety, and possibly a QB and RB.

If McD drafts a CB in the first round, I will fight him!

I have suggested it. My reasoning is that if Raji/Cushing/Moreno are all off the board by the 12th pick, Jenkins or Vontae Davis may be the best player on the board. There isn't another Dlineman, RB, QB, or safety I would take at 12. At 18 there are some other players who may be worth taking over a CB like Ziggy Hood, Connor Barwin, Laurinaitus, Moreno still, but I still wouldn't be unhappy with a CB pick. The Broncos have 1 good CB, unsure of the other til we see how he does on our team. After the starting 2 we have Bell and Williams...not much to count on there and the starters are both in the early 30s. CB may not be as big of a need as Dline or LB but it is still a need and the philosophy of taking the BPA at a position of need is a good one. Focusing on one specific area like Dline is not smart.

[CoryWinget81]

I have suggested it. My reasoning is that if Raji/Cushing/Moreno are all off the board by the 12th pick, Jenkins or Vontae Davis may be the best player on the board. There isn't another Dlineman, RB, QB, or safety I would take at 12. At 18 there are some other players who may be worth taking over a CB like Ziggy Hood, Connor Barwin, Laurinaitus, Moreno still, but I still wouldn't be unhappy with a CB pick. The Broncos have 1 good CB, unsure of the other til we see how he does on our team. After the starting 2 we have Bell and Williams...not much to count on there and the starters are both in the early 30s. CB may not be as big of a need as Dline or LB but it is still a need and the philosophy of taking the BPA at a position of need is a good one. Focusing on one specific area like Dline is not smart.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[-Rod-]

Not just a CB. I mentioned Malcolm Jenkins who could make an instant impact at FS and also get playing time as CB. We only have 1 FS, Renaldo Hill. FS is our second biggest need after NT. Dawkins might be our SS and Fox is awful. I believe Nolan had a private workout with Jenkins, so he might have a clue if the guy can excel at FS. He is physical, sure tackler, not great but good speed and nice awareness. If available, he will one of the best players on the board at 12.

[broncos SB2010]

Not just a CB. I mentioned Malcolm Jenkins who could make an instant impact at FS and also get playing time as CB. We only have 1 FS, Renaldo Hill. FS is our second biggest need after NT. Dawkins might be our SS and Fox is awful. I believe Nolan had a private workout with Jenkins, so he might have a clue if the guy can excel at FS. He is physical, sure tackler, not great but good speed and nice awareness. If available, he will one of the best players on the board at 12.

Agreed.....his versatility is something that appeals to me as well. He could excel at safety or CB which something McD likes in a player.

[IHSD]

A good secondary is no good without a pass rush and a decent front seven.

[-Rod-]

A good secondary is no good without a pass rush and a decent front seven.

True. But we still have plenty of picks to fix that. And remember last season? Even when our front seven could pressure the QB to throw the ball quickly, our defense still allowed big plays because our safeties were completely lost.

[DeanZ]

Really there isn't a position on defense that we don't need someone at. Jenkins is versatile and can start day 1 and that is why he is a good choice, then he gets to play with Champ and Dawkins so hes gonna have a steep learning curve. I wouldn't be mad if McD picked Jenkins with 12, not so much with Davis, cause Jenkins can fit in safety if we need him

But he is one of the best available players in this draft so if he ends up in the orange and blue I doubt many would be disappointed

[broncos SB2010]

A good secondary is no good without a pass rush and a decent front seven.

that's true but should you reach on on a player who you could get in the 2nd round because it is a Dlineman and pass on a 1st round talent like Jenkins because he doesn't play Dline?

[licence_to_kill]

Theres no CB worth a damn in this draft.

[IHSD]

True. But we still have plenty of picks to fix that. And remember last season? Even when our front seven could pressure the QB to throw the ball quickly, our defense still allowed big plays because our safeties were completely lost.

I will agree that there are many picks to fix the front 7. But could you not argue that there are many picks to improve the secondary as well? This draft is full of LB and DE talent, however a little scarce on the DT side of things.

Our safeties last season were horrendous, besides Barrett. But with Hill and Dawkins now back there, it will be imroved. Although Dawkins is still a bit of a liability in coverage.

The point is we need a front seven first to transition into a 3-4 defense. If there are players on the board that are going to fall to 18 and we believe a CB is the BPA, then sure go for it. But I believe the front seven is the most major concern in this point in time, and if it can be improved, it should be.

that's true but should you reach on on a player who you could get in the 2nd round because it is a Dlineman and pass on a 1st round talent like Jenkins because he doesn't play Dline?

No. This is a legitimate debate for sure. But there are players that may go between 12 and 18. So reaching for a player you think may go at 13-17 that you think you want, is not a big deal. And defensive linemen are not the only players we need. We need some quality linebackers too.

I wouldn't completely blow up if we drafted a CB. Luckily we have two picks now so there is room to do a little more, but I would be very upset if we went something like:

12- CB
18- RB

That would really get me pissed off.

[pipes]

I have suggested it. My reasoning is that if Raji/Cushing/Moreno are all off the board by the 12th pick, Jenkins or Vontae Davis may be the best player on the board. There isn't another Dlineman, RB, QB, or safety I would take at 12. At 18 there are some other players who may be worth taking over a CB like Ziggy Hood, Connor Barwin, Laurinaitus, Moreno still, but I still wouldn't be unhappy with a CB pick. The Broncos have 1 good CB, unsure of the other til we see how he does on our team. After the starting 2 we have Bell and Williams...not much to count on there and the starters are both in the early 30s. CB may not be as big of a need as Dline or LB but it is still a need and the philosophy of taking the BPA at a position of need is a good one. Focusing on one specific area like Dline is not smart.

Along with this ^^^^ ..........

Denver also lost Dre Bly and Karl Paymah this offseason...

They've signed Andre Goodman....who is along with Champ at least 30 years old and Champ missed a good portion of last season with injuries.

[IHSD]

Along with this ^^^^ ..........

Denver also lost Dre Bly and Karl Paymah this offseason...

They've signed Andre Goodman....who is along with Champ at least 30 years old and Champ missed a good portion of last season with injuries.

Paymah is not a big deal. Champ and Goodman still have a few good years in front of them so it is not an urgent need right now.

Nobody is saying don't draft a CB at all, just not in the first round.

[pipes]

Paymah is not a big deal. Champ and Goodman still have a few good years in front of them so it is not an urgent need right now.

Nobody is saying don't draft a CB at all, just not in the first round.

How can you say that Paymah wasn't a big deal?

He got extensive playing time and was a special teams contributor...not as a returner. A lot of people on this board were crucifying Bly and Paymah last year and the same people seem to want to gold plate Jack Williams's jock strap.

This just in...Williams has produced far less than those two and was completely unimpressive last year.

So yeah, remove Bly and Paymah, two veteran cornerbacks IMO is a very big deal and a hole that needs to be filled, and I personally would rather it filled with the very best players and not just throw in sixth round draft picks...Roc Alexander anyone???? or how about Lenny Walls????

AGAIN....I wouldn't want Denver to select any corner in this year's draft over BJ Raji

BUT

if he was gone along with a couple of other players then I would completely understand the selection of Davis or Jenkins.

[IHSD]

How can you say that Paymah wasn't a big deal?

He got extensive playing time and was a special teams contributor...not as a returner. A lot of people on this board were crucifying Bly and Paymah last year and the same people seem to want to gold plate Jack Williams's jock strap.

This just in...Williams has produced far less than those two and was completely unimpressive last year.

So yeah, remove Bly and Paymah, two veteran cornerbacks IMO is a very big deal and a hole that needs to be filled, and I personally would rather it filled with the very best players and not just throw in sixth round draft picks...Roc Alexander anyone???? or how about Lenny Walls????

AGAIN....I wouldn't want Denver to select any corner in this year's draft over BJ Raji

BUT

if he was gone along with a couple of other players then I would completely understand the selection of Davis or Jenkins.

I have agreed with on this too an extent.

But come on man, Karl Paymah was nothing special. The only reason he got playing time was because of Champ's injury. You're not going to hear about Karl Paymah very much in the NFL anymore.