My Controversial Draft

[Joshecalpoly]

Ive decided to ignore the big names in order to get more picks and avoid what most consider busts

I may change Connor Barwin in the first for 3rd rounder Marcus Freeman and get someone like Rey or Moreno but I wanted a controversial draft

1(traded down)-Connor Barwin OLB/DE
1(traded down)-Ziggy Hood DE
2-Ron Brace DT
3-Chris Clemons SS/FS
3-Darry Beckwith-coming off of knee injury but after seeing his pro-day I dont think thats a problem ILB/OLB
4-Will Johnson DE
5-Javon Ringer RB
6-Louie Sakoda K or Colt David K(taking Graham Gano in the 4th or 5th a bit much for a K) (Ild take Kevin Kelly as a FA but hes not as well proven at distance)
7-David Johnson QB or Graham Harrell QB
7-Jon Cooper C
FA
Brian Jones OLB
possibly Kevin Kelly

[jc13]

Ive decided to ignore the big names in order to get more picks and avoid what most consider busts

I may change Connor Barwin in the first for 3rd rounder Marcus Freeman and get someone like Rey or Moreno but I wanted a controversial draft

1(traded down)-Connor Barwin OLB/DE
1(traded down)-Ziggy Hood DE
2-Ron Brace DT
3-Chris Clemons SS/FS
3-Darry Beckwith-coming off of knee injury but after seeing his pro-day I dont think thats a problem ILB/OLB
4-Will Johnson DE
5-Javon Ringer RB
6-Louie Sakoda K or Colt David K(taking Graham Gano in the 4th or 5th a bit much for a K) (Ild take Kevin Kelly as a FA but hes not as well proven at distance)
7-David Johnson QB or Graham Harrell QB
7-Jon Cooper C

how could you consider a big name player a bust if they havent even played a snap in the pro`s?

[Joshecalpoly]

how could you consider a big name player a bust if they havent even played a snap in the pro`s?

It was mostly to avoid the arguments that people are claiming they are busts. I am not claiming anything plust there are some players I like that are at a lower pick in the draft. Thats the main reason I drafted lower.

I also like Brice McCain CB in the 5th his downside is hes short on the plus hes an awesome KR

I also like Josh Vaughn RB in the 6th more then I like Javon Ringer. Hes stronger and faster then Moreno and he has Javon Ringers endurance he just does not have any experience against strong lines

Jaimie Thomas G in the 6th

Also Case Fitzgerald WR as a FA

[DancingHorsey]

Ive decided to ignore the big names in order to get more picks and avoid what most consider busts

I may change Connor Barwin in the first for 3rd rounder Marcus Freeman and get someone like Rey or Moreno but I wanted a controversial draft

1(traded down)-Connor Barwin OLB/DE
1(traded down)-Ziggy Hood DE
2-Ron Brace DT
3-Chris Clemons SS/FS
3-Darry Beckwith-coming off of knee injury but after seeing his pro-day I dont think thats a problem ILB/OLB
4-Will Johnson DE
5-Javon Ringer RB
6-Louie Sakoda K or Colt David K(taking Graham Gano in the 4th or 5th a bit much for a K) (Ild take Kevin Kelly as a FA but hes not as well proven at distance)
7-David Johnson QB or Graham Harrell QB
7-Jon Cooper C
FA
Brian Jones OLB
possibly Kevin Kelly

What did you get in return for the trade? I don't see any extra picks there.

By the way, I don't really see us trading for more picks. Ten picks is already a very high number.

[Joshecalpoly]

Yeah I thought of moving the other picks up but I had trouble figuring out what picks would be the best I also thought of adding a few extra picks for the other players I mentioned but if I swapped Vaughn for Ringer, Kelly for Sakoda all ild need is an extra 6th just to get all the players I want.

I think either a player or next years draft picks sounds like a better deal then if we need a good rb or a good qb next years draft has a few I like and we can trade up.

[Joshecalpoly]

I debated between Nic Harris and Chris Clemons especially with the comparison of Harris to Wesley Woodyard I also think Michael Hamlin is hard to ignore. However part of me thinks a hybrid safety fits better into are current system and adds some more depth.

I want Connor Barwin DE/LB I think personally he is the most underrated 1st round prospect at LB. He can tackle he can sack he can pass protect he block kicks and passes. Where is the down side. I have read reports they say hes a player who has spirit and is the heart of his defense. I think he is a good pick in this draft.

[CanDB]

Trades to Watch For.....Draft Coming!!!!!

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9477606/As-draft-looms%2C-watch-out-for-these-trades?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5

More than a dozen veterans are considered potential trade bait. Here's a look at some of the biggest names who could be changing zip codes.


Browns WR Braylon Edwards

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Summary: Unable to find an adequate replacement for the departed Plaxico Burress, the Giants are strongly considering Edwards as a replacement. With a veteran team primed for another Super Bowl run, it's understandable why the Giants would want a proven commodity at the position rather than taking their chances in the draft. The 6-foot-3 Edwards also excels at outmaneuvering smaller cornerbacks for catches a la Burress.

However, there is a reason the Browns are entertaining offers for Edwards. He is coming off a greatly-disappointing 2008 campaign. No wideout with elite skills catches the football as awkwardly, which helps account for his excessive number of drops. Edwards' contract is another issue. His rookie deal expires after this season and Edwards could be seeking an extension averaging a Larry Fitzgerald-like $10 million annually. Edwards, though, may not have much leverage in this regard. Because of a pending change in the NFL's labor agreement, Edwards would only be a restricted free agent in the 2010 offseason.

Likely compensation: A first- and mid-round pick (New York holds the No. 29 overall selection). Even though Cleveland desperately needs a pass rusher, the Giants seem unlikely to deal Mathias Kiwanuka. Cleveland, though, could push for one of New York's wideouts like Domenik Hixon to augment their depleted receiver corps.

Trade odds: Very good. This deal may hinge upon whether Cleveland can land an Edwards replacement like Texas Tech's Michael Crabtree with the No. 5 overall pick.


Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin
Summary: The tension between Boldin and Cardinals management has come to a head. The Cardinals now say they are actively listening to trade offers for Boldin, who is unhappy with his contract situation.

Likely compensation: A first- and mid-round pick. Boldin is a more consistent player than Edwards, but is also 2½ years older. Boldin, who turns 29 in October, also has missed an entire season's worth of games with injuries since 2004.

Trade odds: Very good. Even a team with such stubborn, frugal management can see that keeping a player as disgruntled as Boldin could disrupt locker-room chemistry. Baltimore, which has expressed interest, would be an ideal fit. The Ravens need to give quarterback Joe Flacco some better receiving help than 35-year-old Derrick Mason and ho-hum starter Mark Clayton. The Giants, Philadelphia and New York Jets are other possibilities.


Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez
Summary: Gonzalez has said he isn't actively pushing Chiefs management for a trade, but his actions last weekend spoke volumes. Gonzalez and left guard Brian Waters (see below) both skipped the first volunteer minicamp under new head coach Todd Haley.

Gonzalez has never won a playoff game during his 12 NFL seasons in Kansas City and may not have the chance again on a rebuilding Chiefs squad. Haley and new general manager Scott Pioli are trying to change the culture in Kansas City. Gonzalez's absence is undermining those efforts.

Likely compensation: A second-round pick. Gonzalez continued to produce at a high level in 2008 on an awful team. Gonzalez, though, is 33 years old and has said he is approaching whether to continue playing each season on a year-by-year basis.

Trade odds: Very good. Atlanta is mulling whether to make a trade offer. Gonzalez would provide veteran leadership and give second-year quarterback Matt Ryan a Hall of Fame-caliber receiving target. Gonzalez, though, may not be an ideal fit considering Falcons offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey usually doesn't showcase the tight end in his passing attack.


Bengals wide receiver Chad "Ocho Cinco" Johnson
Summary: Unlike last offseason, Johnson isn't making a spectacle of himself in hopes of getting traded. But the fact Johnson is forsaking $250,000 by not reporting to Cincinnati's offseason program is telling.

Likely compensation: A second-round pick. The Bengals made a huge error last April by not accepting Washington's reported offer of two first-round choices. Johnson's production plummeted as he struggled with injuries. Conduct remains an issue (Johnson was sent home before a game at Pittsburgh for arriving late to a team meeting). Johnson also turned 31 in January.

Trade odds: Fair. Bengals owner/general manager Mike Brown will ultimately decide whether to stick coach Marvin Lewis with Johnson for another season. Oakland is the most intriguing destination point. The Raiders didn't have a wideout with more than 22 receptions last season. Oakland owner Al Davis also doesn't mind taking on talented-but-temperamental players.


Browns quarterback Brady Quinn
Summary: The player once considered Cleveland's "quarterback of the future" may not have one under new Browns coach Eric Mangini. There is rampant media speculation that Quinn is on the block for the right price. Rather than name a starter from the get-go, Mangini has opened up his quarterback competition between Quinn and incumbent Derek Anderson. The Browns also may have their eye on Southern California quarterback Mark Sanchez with the No. 5 overall pick.


Likely compensation: A first-round pick. The Browns might not be able to command much more for a player with only three starts in two NFL seasons.

Trade odds: Fair. The Jets have a glaring need at quarterback and the Redskins could still be looking to replace Jason Campbell after being unable to acquire Jay Cutler from Denver. Remember, though, that 21 other teams passed on Quinn before the previous Browns regime selected him in 2007.


Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers
Summary: Peppers has requested a trade after seven seasons in Carolina. The Panthers have refused to oblige and kept him from free agency with use of a franchise tag even though he is tying up $16.6 million of salary cap space.

Likely compensation: At least a first-round pick. The Panthers are clearly unwilling to let one of the NFL's best pass rushers leave for a song.

Trade odds: Poor. Compensation is just half the challenge in any trade talks. The 29-year-old Peppers also will want a contract extension with huge guaranteed money (think at least $25 million — and that may be a conservative estimate). The only leverage Peppers may have at this point is a holdout that could extend well into the regular season. That would be a lose-lose situation for Peppers and the Panthers.


Chiefs running back Larry Johnson
Summary: In February, Johnson told a radio station that he would "rather play somewhere else." Johnson has since softened that stance and reported last weekend for the team's voluntary minicamp.

Likely compensation: A mid- to late-round pick. Consecutive rushing seasons of 1,700-plus yards in 2005 and 2006 landed Johnson a big contract extension. Since then, Johnson's productivity has plummeted because of injuries and disciplinary issues.

Trade odds: Poor. A release seems more likely than a trade if the Chiefs ultimately can't get Johnson to lower his 2009 base salary of $4.55 million. To his credit, Johnson is being a good soldier and has immersed himself in Kansas City's offseason program.


Patriots running back Laurence Maroney

Bill Belichick thought he grabbed the next great RB when drafting Laurence Maroney in 2006. Instead his pet project can't seem to stay healthy. (Harry How / Getty Images)

Summary: Maroney appeared on the verge of being New England's bell-cow running back after a strong end to the 2007 season. Maroney, though, was once again beset by injuries in 2008 and may not be the best fit on the tight ship run by coach Bill Belichick. New England also has an overload at the position with newcomer Fred Taylor, promising youngster BenJarvus Green-Ellis, and veterans Kevin Faulk and Sammy Morris.

Likely compensation: A mid-round pick. With 12 selections in this draft, the Patriots may be more interested in stockpiling choices for 2010.

Trade odds: Fair. A team with a running back need like Arizona and New Orleans would be intriguing landing spots for Maroney.

TO BE CONTINUED

[CanDB]

Other players who may be on the move:

Chiefs guard Brian Waters: Waters wants out after reportedly bumping heads with Pioli and Haley shortly after their arrival. But unless the Chiefs shore a weak offensive line in the draft, Waters may be too valuable to let go. Waters, 32, is coming off his fourth Pro Bowl selection in nine NFL seasons.

Bucs quarterback Brian Griese: He became expendable when the Bucs signed Byron Leftwich in free agency.

Jets running back Thomas Jones: Jones is skipping New York's offseason program because of unhappiness with his contract situation. Although he has four consecutive 1,000-yard rushing seasons, Jones turns 31 in August and may not get the raise he's seeking elsewhere.

Bills wide receiver/returner Roscoe Parrish: Parrish hasn't lived up to the thee-year, $12.3 million contract extension he signed in December 2007. He could be appealing to a team seeking a slot receiver and returner.

Dolphins quarterback John Beck: Miami couldn't trade Beck last August even after he started four games as a rookie in 2007. His value is even lower now after spending a season as Miami's third-string quarterback.

Broncos tight end Tony Scheffler: Once considered on the trading block, Scheffler reported for last weekend's voluntary Broncos minicamp. While he isn't participating in the team's offseason workout program, Scheffler seems likely to stay with the team in 2009.

Cowboys linebacker Bobby Carpenter: The Cowboys reportedly considered trading Carpenter earlier this offseason. But he probably isn't going anywhere with linebacker Kevin Burnett leaving in free agency for San Diego.

Chargers wide receiver Kassim Osgood: An outstanding special teams player, Osgood is frustrated in San Diego because he isn't used on offense. Osgood was being shopped earlier this offseason and the Chargers found no takers.
Cause and Effect

Both Donovan McNabb and Brian Westbrook should benefit from Philly's rebuilt offensive line. (Jamie Squire / Getty Images)

Jason Peters being traded from Buffalo to Philadelphia for first- and fourth-round picks in 2009 and a 2010 sixth-rounder.

The cause: The Bills finally grew tired of Peters' contract demands, especially when he was asking for a huge raise after allowing 11.5 sacks in 2008. Philadelphia was seeking a replacement for Tra' Thomas, who was allowed to leave via free agency to Jacksonville after 11 seasons as an Eagles starter.

The effect: With Peters now gone, the Bills have to find a new starting left tackle. The most likely solution would come through the draft, but there is a good chance that the top four tackles (Baylor's Jason Smith, Virginia's Eugene Monroe, Mississippi's Michael Oher and Alabama's Andre Smith) will be gone by the time Buffalo selects at No. 11. A trade-up seems unlikely for a franchise that always stands pat in the first round to avoid paying larger sums of money to unproven college players.

Another possibility for Buffalo is targeting a second-tier left tackle like Arizona's Ebon Britton or Connecticut's William Beatty with the No. 28 choice acquired by Philadelphia. If that doesn't work out, the Bills could target a stop-gap veteran in a trade with a team that drafts a tackle. Levi Jones and Jeff Backus are two players who could become available if the Bengals and/or Lions go in that direction. The fallback option is shifting Langston Walker from right tackle to left tackle and hope he is nimble enough to handle speed rushers.

As for Philadelphia, the Eagles believe a change of scenery and new six-year, $53 million contract will provide sufficient motivation for Peters to regain his shut-down form of 2007. The Eagles can now keep Todd Herremans and Shawn Andrews at guard rather than have to potentially convert one to left tackle. If free-agent signing and projected starting right tackle Stacy Andrews (Cincinnati) can recover from a serious knee injury, the Eagles should field one of the NFL's top offensive lines in 2009.

Week in Review
Big winner: New York Jets fans of the Jewish faith. The NFL should have known better than to schedule a late afternoon kickoff for the Jets on Yom Kippur, which is considered the most important Jewish holy day. After plenty of kvetching, the league wisely acquiesced by changing the Jets-Tennessee game to an early kickoff on Sept. 27.

Big loser: San Diego, Tennessee and their fans. It's understandable when the NFL plays games when Christmas falls on a Sunday. But the league went out of its way to schedule a Christmas night game between the Chargers and Titans on a Friday night. Bah, humbug.

Under-the-radar move: Cincinnati claiming RB Gary Russell off waivers from Pittsburgh. The Steelers want more speed from their kickoff returner in 2009 and Russell was expendable as a fourth-string running back behind Willie Parker, Rashard Mendenhall and Mewelde Moore. Russell will have a much better chance for playing time in Cincinnati competing with Chris Perry and Kenny Watson for snaps behind starter Cedric Benson.

CanDB's comments:

Looks like Tony is staying. That's okay, but I was actually looking for some nice package deal to get us another good pick. We still love ya Tony!

Still some interesting players ready to move.

Only 4 days to go!!!!!!!!!!

[Den615]

Could Someone With Insider Please Post McShay's New Mock

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...3fid%3d4085612

[Max Power]

Yes, someone with insider could post McShay's new mock.

I don't have insider, but I'm sure a poster who does will come along shortly and post it here for us freeloaders.

[MilitantDBFan]

Denver Picks....

1st Round A - Tyson Jackson - DE - LSU
1st Round B - Everrette Brown - DE/LB - FSU
2nd Round - Ron Brace - NT - Boston College
3rd Round A - Jasper Brinkley - ILB - S. Carolina
3rd Round B - Chip Vaughn - S - Wake Forest
4th Round - CJ Spillman - S - Marshall
5th Round - Rashad Jennings - RB - Liberty
6th Round - Hunter Cantwell - QB - Louisville
7th Round A- Travis Bright - OG - BYU
7th Round B - George Bussey - OT - Louisville

[Den615]

Denver Picks....

1st Round A - Tyson Jackson - DE - LSU
1st Round B - Everrette Brown - DE/LB - FSU
2nd Round - Ron Brace - NT - Boston College
3rd Round A - Jasper Brinkley - ILB - S. Carolina
3rd Round B - Chip Vaughn - S - Wake Forest
4th Round - CJ Spillman - S - Marshall
5th Round - Rashad Jennings - RB - Liberty
6th Round - Hunter Cantwell - QB - Louisville
7th Round - Travis Bright - OG - BYU
7th Round B - George Bussey - OT - Louisville

Thanks!
Im not sold on Brown, but I'd be happy with Jackson, Brace, brinkley, and Vaughn

[-Rod-]

Wow... Jackson, Brown, Brace, Brinkley and Vaughn... Our defense would look really good (at least on paper).

[no-pseudo-fan]

The Rashard Jennings 5th round pick would be amazing.

[Pruke]

Heck - I even like the Hunter Cantwell pick.

Let's hope McShay is McRight.