I would be happy with this. Ecspecially the 1st and 2nd RD. . .
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Also, back to McShay's draft. The article link is: HERE
Here is what he has as needs for the Browns: OLB, WR, CB
I agree with 2 of those three. The Browns do need a Wide Reciever (with or without Edwards), the Browns do need an OLB and the Browns do need a DB but not to start. Just for depth. McDonald and Wright played very well and they deserve to start again. They are young and talented and will only get better.
So now just going by his criteria for the Browns needs (OLB, WR, CB) here is his selection:
5. Cleveland Browns (4-12): B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
Top three needs: OLB, WR, CB
That does not help the Browns top three needs that he himself set forth. So, let's look at his reasoning (Snarf even mentioned having Raji at DE in a 3-4 to try and make it sound more tempting)
5. Cleveland Browns (4-12): B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
Top three needs: OLB, WR, CB
Raji is the best player on the board at this point and would provide the Browns with a stout nose tackle in their 3-4 defense. He has the size and strength to anchor against double-teams in the running game and the burst and quickness to collapse the pocket and get to the quarterback as a pass-rusher.
Whoa! So the Browns need a nose tackle! Wow, didn't the Browns just have a nose tackle make it to the Pro Bowl? I believe they did. Hmm ... that doesn't make sense. He is not a pass rushing OLB, he is not a Wide Reciever, and he is not a defensive back. Poor selection using McShay's own criteria!
Since I do not have "Insider" I cannot possibly see what his second round selections are. So, his sole selection is extremely poor.
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Originally posted by Charlie Brown View PostAlso, back to McShay's draft. The article link is: HERE
Here is what he has as needs for the Browns: OLB, WR, CB
I agree with 2 of those three. The Browns do need a Wide Reciever (with or without Edwards), the Browns do need an OLB and the Browns do need a DB but not to start. Just for depth. McDonald and Wright played very well and they deserve to start again. They are young and talented and will only get better.
So now just going by his criteria for the Browns needs (OLB, WR, CB) here is his selection:
5. Cleveland Browns (4-12): B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
Top three needs: OLB, WR, CB
That does not help the Browns top three needs that he himself set forth. So, let's look at his reasoning (Snarf even mentioned having Raji at DE in a 3-4 to try and make it sound more tempting)
5. Cleveland Browns (4-12): B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
Top three needs: OLB, WR, CB
Raji is the best player on the board at this point and would provide the Browns with a stout nose tackle in their 3-4 defense. He has the size and strength to anchor against double-teams in the running game and the burst and quickness to collapse the pocket and get to the quarterback as a pass-rusher.
Whoa! So the Browns need a nose tackle! Wow, didn't the Browns just have a nose tackle make it to the Pro Bowl? I believe they did. Hmm ... that doesn't make sense. He is not a pass rushing OLB, he is not a Wide Reciever, and he is not a defensive back. Poor selection using McShay's own criteria!
Since I do not have "Insider" I cannot possibly see what his second round selections are. So, his sole selection is extremely poor.Those Indians could prove troublesome...General George Armstrong Custer
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Originally posted by Charlie Brown View PostAlso, back to McShay's draft. The article link is: HERE
Here is what he has as needs for the Browns: OLB, WR, CB
I agree with 2 of those three. The Browns do need a Wide Reciever (with or without Edwards), the Browns do need an OLB and the Browns do need a DB but not to start. Just for depth. McDonald and Wright played very well and they deserve to start again. They are young and talented and will only get better.
So now just going by his criteria for the Browns needs (OLB, WR, CB) here is his selection:
5. Cleveland Browns (4-12): B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
Top three needs: OLB, WR, CB
That does not help the Browns top three needs that he himself set forth. So, let's look at his reasoning (Snarf even mentioned having Raji at DE in a 3-4 to try and make it sound more tempting)
5. Cleveland Browns (4-12): B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
Top three needs: OLB, WR, CB
Raji is the best player on the board at this point and would provide the Browns with a stout nose tackle in their 3-4 defense. He has the size and strength to anchor against double-teams in the running game and the burst and quickness to collapse the pocket and get to the quarterback as a pass-rusher.
Whoa! So the Browns need a nose tackle! Wow, didn't the Browns just have a nose tackle make it to the Pro Bowl? I believe they did. Hmm ... that doesn't make sense. He is not a pass rushing OLB, he is not a Wide Reciever, and he is not a defensive back. Poor selection using McShay's own criteria!
Since I do not have "Insider" I cannot possibly see what his second round selections are. So, his sole selection is extremely poor.
Who cares? This is a Broncos Country forum, not a Browns Country forum. Why do you think we care about the Browns? And why have you enjoyed doing this for 5 years? Do you have a life at all? Just wondering.Owned:
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Originally posted by Bronkster View PostWho cares? This is a Broncos Country forum, not a Browns Country forum. Why do you think we care about the Browns? And why have you enjoyed doing this for 5 years? Do you have a life at all? Just wondering.
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Originally posted by Bronkster View PostWho cares? This is a Broncos Country forum, not a Browns Country forum. Why do you think we care about the Browns? And why have you enjoyed doing this for 5 years? Do you have a life at all? Just wondering.
Your opinion about the Browns? You don't like them. You can't stand them. The entire team is garbage. "If it's Brown flush it down" as the toilet humor applies.
The opinion of Mindfield? He doesn't care one way or the other. If the Browns suck, doesn't bother him one bit nor does it bother you. But your hostile reaction to my mere presence on this board and your determination to see me leave gives away how you feel about the team I love.
My opinion on the Browns? Love them. Loved them for years and likely will for many more.
Combine your opinions on the Broncos with Mindfield's and one gets a feeling of how at least a small section of Broncos fans feel. Then mix in me with how I feel about the Browns and a better clearer picture emerges of the Browns and Broncos from their fans perspectives. WIth myself and your fellow Bronco fans having intelligent discussions and not baiting each other, it will benefit this forum more.
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ESPN Scouts Inc. Full Rounds 1 to 5 (6 & 7 to follow)
1. Det. (Record: 0-16):Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
2. StL. (2-14): Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
3. KC (2-14): Aaron Curry, LB, Wake
4. Sea. (4-12): Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
5. Clev. (4-12): B.J. Raji, DT, Boston Col
6. Cinn. (4-11-1): Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
7. Oak. (5-11): Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
8. Jax (5-11): Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas T
9. GB (6-10): Andre Smith, OT, Ala
10. SF (7-9): Michael Oher, OT, Miss
11. Buff (7-9): Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Texas
12. Denver (8-8): Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
13. Wash. (8-8): Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn ST
14. NO (8-8): Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio ST
15. Hou. (8-8): Robert Ayers, DE, Tenn.
16. SD (8-8): Chris "Beanie" Wells, RB, Ohio ST
17. NY Jets (9-7): Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas ST
18. Denver (from 9-7 CHI) (8-8): Everette Brown, DE, Florida ST
19. TB (9-7): Brian Cushing, OLB, USC
20. Det. (from 9-7 DAL) (0-16): Peria Jerry, DT, Miss
21. Phil. (9-6-1): Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
22. Minn (10-6): Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
23. NE (11-5): Clay Matthews, OLB, USC
24. Atl. (11-5): Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Okla ST
25. Miami (11-5): Vontae Davis, CB, Ill.
26. Balt. (11-5): Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
27. Ind. (12-4): Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
28. Buff (from 12-4 CAR through Phil.) (7-9): Eben Britton, OT, Ariz.
29. NY Giants (12-4): Hakeem Nicks, WR, N. Carolina
30. Tenn. (13-3): Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC
31. Ariz. (9-7): Donald Brown, RB, UConn
32. Pitt. (12-4): Max Unger, C, Oregon
Round 2
2.1 (33) Det., Larry English, DE/OLB, Nor. Ill.
2.2 (34) NE (from KC), Darius Butler, CB, UConn
2.3 (35) StL., James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio ST
2.4 (36) Clev., Paul Kruger*, OLB, Utah
2.5 (37) Sea., William Beatty, OT, UConn
2.6 (38) Cinn., Eric Wood, C, Louisville
2.7 (39) Jax, Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake
2.8 (40) Oak., Evander Hood, DT, Missouri
2.9 (41) GB, Connor Barwin, OLB, Cinn.
2.10 (42) Buff, Alex Mack, C, California
2.11 (43) SF, Louis Delmas, S, West. Mich
2.12 (44) Miami (from Wash.), Mohamed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia
2.13 (45) NY Giants (from NO), Clint Sintim, SLB, Texas T
2.14 (46) Hou., William Moore, S, Missouri
2.15 (47) NE (from SD), Rashad Johnson, S, Ala
2.16 (48) Denver, Ron Brace, NT, Boston Col
2.17 (49) Chicago, Derrick Williams, WR, Penn ST
2.18 (50) Clev. (from TB), LeSean McCoy*, RB, Pitt.
2.19 (51) Dallas, Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon
2.20 (52) NY Jets, Brandon Tate, WR, N. Carolina
2.21 (53) Phil., Cornelius Ingram, TE, Florida
2.22 (54) Minn, Phil Loadholt, OT, Okla
2.23 (55) Atl., Jarron Gilbert, DT, San Jose ST
2.24 (56) Miami, Lawrence Sidbury, DE, Richmond
2.25 (57) Balt., Sean Smith*, CB, Utah
2.26 (58) NE, Cody Brown, OLB, UConn
2.27 (59) Carolina Panthers, Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia T
2.28 (60) NY Giants, Andre Brown, RB, NC ST
2.29 (61) Ind., Sen'Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn
2.30 (62) Tenn., Andy Levitre, OG/OT, Oregon ST
2.31 (63) Ariz., David Veikune, DE, Hawaii
2.32 (64) Pitt., D.J. Moore*, CB, Vanderbilt
Round 3
3.1 (65) Det., Shawn Nelson, TE, Southern Miss.
3.2 (66) StL., Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio ST
3.3 (67) KC, Fili Moala, DL, USC
3.4 (68) Sea., Sherrod Martin, DB, Troy
3.5 (69) Dallas (from Clev.), Asher Allen*, CB, Georgia
3.6 (70) Cinn., Jared Cook*, TE, S. Carolina
3.7 (71) Oak., Jamon Meredith, OT, S. Carolina
3.8 (72) Jax, Pat White, WR, West VA
3.9 (73) GB, Jairus Byrd, CB, Oregon
3.10 (74) SF, Sebastian Vollmer, OT, Hou.
3.11 (75) Bufalo, Alex Magee, DT, Purdue
3.12 (76) NY Jets (from NO), Shonn Greene*, RB, Iowa
3.13 (77) Hou., Glen Coffee*, RB, Ala
3.14 (78) SD, Duke Robinson, G, Okla
3.15 (79) Denver, Jasper Brinkley, ILB, S. Carolina
3.16 (80) Wash., Troy Kropog, OT, Tulane
3.17 (81) TB, Donald Wash.*, CB, Ohio ST
3.18 (82) Det. (from Dallas), Kevin Barnes, CB, Maryland
3.19 (83) GB (from N.Y. Jets), James Casey*, TE, Rice
3.20 (84) Denver (from Chicago), Chip Vaughn, SS, Wake
3.21 (85) Phil., Brooks Foster, WR, N. Carolina
3.22 (86) Minn, Coye Francies, CB, San Jose ST
3.23 (87) Miami, Tyronne Green, G, Auburn
3.24 (88) Balt., Jason Phillips, ILB, TCU
3.25 (89) NE, Gerald Cadogan, OT, Penn ST
3.26 (90) Atl., Tyrone McKenzie, OLB, S. Florida
3.27 (91) NY Giants, Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri
3.28 (92) Ind., Marcus Freeman, OLB, Ohio ST
3.29 (93) Carolina Panthers, Ricky Jean-Francois*, DT, LSU
3.30 (94) Tenn., Michael Bennett, DE, Texas A&M
3.31 (95) Ariz., Brandon Williams*, DE, Texas T
3.32 (96) Pitt., Mike Thomas, WR, Ariz.
3.33 (97) NE (Comp), Cedric Peerman, RB, Virginia
3.34 (98) Cinn. (Comp), Jeremiah Johnson, RB, Oregon
3.35 (99) Chicago (Comp), Corvey Irvin, DT, Georgia
3.36 (100) NY Giants (Comp), Antoine Caldwell, C, Ala
Round 4
4.1 (101) Dallas (from Det.), Louis Murphy, WR, Florida
4.2 (102) KC, Kraig Urbik, OG, Wisconsin
4.3 (103) StL., Mike Goodson, RB, Texas A&M
4.4 (104) Clev., Chris Clemons, FS, Clemson
4.5 (105) Sea., Kaluka Maiava, OLB, USC
4.6 (106) Cinn., Victor Harris, CB, Virginia T
4.7 (107) Jax, Terrance Taylor, DT, Mich
4.8 (108) Oak., Darcel McBath, DS, Texas T
4.9 (109) GB, Kyle Moore, DE, USC
4.10 (110) Buff, Cameron Morrah*, TE, Cal
4.11 (111) SF, Kenny McKinley, WR, S. Carolina
4.12 (112) Hou., Cary Harris, DC, USC
4.13 (113) SD, T.J. Lang, OT, Eastern Mich
4.14 (114) Denver, C.J. Spillman, DS, Marshall
4.15 (115) NY Jets (from Wash.), Richard Quinn*, TE, N. Carolina
4.16 (116) NO, Dorell Scott, DT, Clemson
4.17 (117) Dallas, Herman Johnson, OG, LSU
4.18 (118) NO (from NY Jets), Jonathan Casillas, WLB, Wisconsin
4.19 (119) Chicago, Captain Munnerlyn*, DC, S. Carolina
4.20 (120) TB, Roy Miller, DT, Texas
4.21 (121) Phil., Mike Mickens, DC, Cinn.
4.22 (122) Hou. (from Minn), Augustus Parrish, OT, Kent ST
4.23 (123) Balt., Sammie Lee Hill, DT, Stillman
4.24 (124) NE, Darry Beckwith, ILB, LSU
4.25 (125) Atl., Fenuki Tupou, OT, Oregon
4.26 (126) Oak. (from Miami), Mitch King, DE, Iowa
4.27 (127) Ind., Travis Beckum, TE, Wisconsin
4.28 (128) Carolina Panthers, Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU
4.29 (129) NY Giants, Emanuel Cook*, DS, S. Carolina
4.30 (130) Tenn., Keenan Lewis, DC, Oregon ST
4.31 (131) Ariz., Lydon Murtha, OT, Nebraska
4.32 (132) Pitt., Xavier Fulton, OT, Ill.
4.33 (133) SD (Comp), Jarett Dillard, WR, Rice
4.34 (134) SD (Comp), Michael Hamlin, SS, Clemson
4.35 (135) Tenn. (Comp), Myron Pryor, DT, Kentucky
4.36 (136) Ind. (Comp), Kory Sheets, RB, Purdue
Round 5
5.1 (137) Sea., Javon Ringer, RB, Mich ST
5.2 (138) StL., Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Okla
5.3 (139) KC, Cornelius Lewis, OT, Tenn. ST
5.4 (140) Chicago (from Denver through Sea.), Courtney Greene, SS, Rutgers
5.5 (141) Phil. (from Clev.), Nic Harris, OLB, Okla
5.6 (142) Cinn., Matt Shaughnessy, DE, Wisconsin
5.7 (143) Atl. (from Oak.), Jerraud Powers*, DC, Auburn
5.8 (144) Jax, Brian Hoyer, QB, Mich ST
5.9 (145) GB, David Bruton, SS, Notre Dame
5.10 (146) SF, James Davis, RB, Clemson
5.11 (147) Buff, Kevin Ellison, OLB, USC
5.12 (148) SD, Scott McKillop, ILB, Pitt.
5.13 (149) Denver, Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty
5.14 (150) Wash., Dannell Ellerbe, SLB, Georgia
5.15 (151) NY Giants (from NO), Jason Watkins, OT, Florida
5.16 (152) Hou., DeAndre Levy, OLB, Wisconsin
5.17 (153) Phil. (from NY Jets), Curtis Taylor, SS, LSU
5.18 (154) Chicago, Jonathan Luigs, OC, Arkansas
5.19 (155) TB, Sammie Stroughter, WR, Oregon ST
5.20 (156) Dallas, Zach Follett, OLB, Cal
5.21 (157) Phil., Brandon Gibson, WR, Wash. ST
5.22 (158) Minn, Ladarius Webb, CB, Nicholls ST
5.23 (159) NE, Khalif Mitchell, DT, East Carolina
5.24 (160) Atl., Louis Vasquez, OG, Texas T
5.25 (161) Miami, John Phillips, TE, Virginia
5.26 (162) Balt., Victor Butler, OLB, Oregon ST
5.27 (163) Carolina Panthers, Anthony Hill, TE, N.C. ST
5.28 (164) NY Giants, Ashlee Palmer, OLB, Ole Miss
5.29 (165) Ind., Brandon Underwood, DC, Cinn.
5.30 (166) Dallas (from Tenn.), Pannel Egboh, DE, Stanford
5.31 (167) Ariz., Lee Robinson, OLB, Alcorn ST
5.32 (168) Pitt., Demonte' Bolden, DT, Tenn.
5.33 (169) Pitt. (Comp), Glover Quinn, FS, New Mexico
5.34 (170) NE (Comp), Johnnie Knox, WR, Abilene Christian
5.35 (171) SF (Comp), Ryan Mouton, DC, Hawaii
5.36 (172) Dallas (Comp), Alex Boone, OT, Ohio ST
5.37 (173) Tenn. (Comp), Vance Walker, DT, Georgia T
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ESPN Scouts Inc. Full Rounds 6 & 7
Round 6
6.1 (174) Det., Andrew Gardner, OT, Georgia T
6.2 (175) KC, es Barden, WR, Cal Poly
6.3 (176) StL., Kevin Ogletree, WR, Virginia
6.4 (177) Clev., Tiquan Underwood, WR, Rutgers
6.5 (178) Sea., Trevor Canfield, OG, Cinn.
6.6 (179) Cinn., Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Hou. ST
6.7 (180) Jax, Greg Isdaner, OG, West VA
6.8 (181) Oak., Tony Fiammetta, FB, Syracuse
6.9 (182) GB, Worrell Williams, ILB, Cal
6.10 (183) Buff, Nate Davis, QB, Ball ST
6.11 (184) SF, Anthony Parker, OG, Tenn.
6.12 (185) Denver, Hunter Cantwell, QB, Louisville
6.13 (186) Wash., Matt Slauson, OG, Nebraska
6.14 (187) GB (from NO), Ramon Foster, OT, Tenn.
6.15 (188) Hou., Stephen McGee, QB, Texas A&M
6.16 (189) SD, Marlon Favorite, NT, LSU
6.17 (190) Chicago, Joel Bell, OT, Furman
6.18 (191) TB, Will Davis, DE, Ill.
6.19 (192) Det. (from Dallas), Gerald McRath, MLB, Sou. Miss
6.20 (193) NY Jets, Robert Brewster, OT, Ball ST
6.21 (194) Phil., Ryan Palmer, CB, Texas
6.22 (195) Phil. (from Minn), Seth Olsen, OT, Iowa
6.23 (196) Atl., Troy Nolan, S, Ariz. ST
6.24 (197) Dallas (from Miami), Josh Mauga, ILB, Nevada
6.25 (198) Balt., Deon Butler, WR, Penn ST
6.26 (199) NE, Jacob Ingram, LS, Hawaii
6.27 (200) NY Giants, Don Carey, CB, Norfolk ST
6.28 (201) Ind., Garrett Reynolds, OT, N. Carolina
6.29 (202) Carolina Panthers, Andy Kemp, OG, Wisconsin
6.30 (203) Tenn., Arian Foster, RB, Tenn.
6.31 (204) Ariz., Bear Pascoe, TE, Fresno ST
6.32 (205) Pitt., Ellis Lankster, CB, West VA
6.33 (206) Tenn. (Comp), Austin Collie, WR, BYU
6.34 (207) NE (Comp), Brannan Southerland, FB, Georgia
6.35 (208) Dallas (Comp), Mike Wallace, WR, Miss
6.36 (209) Cinn. (Comp), George Hypolite, DT, Colorado
Round 7
7.1 (210) Dallas, Terrance Knighton, NT, Temple
7.2 (211) StL., Brandon Long, DE, Mich ST
7.3 (212) KC, Chris Owens, DB, San Jose ST
7.4 (213) Sea., Ian Campbell, DE, Kansas ST
7.5 (214) Miami (from Clev.), Devin Moore, RB, Wyoming
7.6 (215) Cinn., Quan Cosby, WR, Texas
7.7 (216) Oak., A. Q. Shipley, C, Penn ST
7.8 (217) TB (from Jax), Jose Valdez, OT, Arkansas
7.9 (218) GB, Brandon Hughes, CB, Oregon ST
7.10 (219) SF, Tom Brandstater, QB, Fresno ST
7.11 (220) Buff, Andrew Means, WR, Indiana
7.12 (221) Minn (from Wash.), Dan Gronkowski, TE, Maryland
7.13 (222) NO, P.J. Hill, RB, Wisconsin
7.14 (223) Hou., Stephen Hodge, OLB, TCU
7.15 (224) SD, Deangelo Smith, CB, Cinn.
7.16 (225) Denver, Travis Bright, OG, BYU
7.17 (226) Pitt. (from TB), John Parker Wilson, QB, Ala
7.18 (227) Dallas, Roger Allen, OG, Missouri West.
7.19 (228) NY Jets, Cedric Dockery, OG, Texas
7.20 (229) TB (from Chicago), Moise Fokou, OLB, Maryland
7.21 (230) Phil., Henry Melton, DE, Texas
7.22 (231) Minn, Clinton McDonald, DT, Memphis
7.23 (232) Jax (from Miami), Aaron Brown, RB, TCU
7.24 (233) TB (from Balt.), Morgan Trent, CB, Mich
7.25 (234) NE, Jared Bronson, TE, Central Wash.
7.26 (235) Denver (from Atl.), George Bussey, OT, Louisville
7.27 (236) Ind., Edwin Williams, OG, Maryland
7.28 (237) Miami (from Carolina), Domonique Johnson, CB, Jackson ST
7.29 (238) NY Giants, Chris Baker, DE, Hampton
7.30 (239) Tenn., William Johnson, DE, Mich
7.31 (240) Ariz., Darius Passmore, WR, Marshall
7.32 (241) Pitt., Javarris Williams, RB, Tenn. ST
7.33 (242) Tenn. (Comp), Quinn Johnson, FB, LSU
7.34 (243) Wash. (Comp), Graham Harrell, QB, Texas T
7.35 (244) SF (Comp), Derek Walker, DE, Ill.
7.36 (245) Sea. (Comp), Brian Hartline, WR, Ohio ST
7.37 (246) Chicago (Comp), Mortty Ivy, OLB, West VA
7.38 (247) Sea. (Comp), Jamarca Sanford, S, Miss
7.39 (248) Sea., Ra'Shon Harris, DT, Oregon
7.40 (249) Cinn. (Comp), Antonio Appleby, MLB, Virginia
7.41 (250) Jax (Comp), Robert Francois, ILB, Boston Col
7.42 (251) Chicago (Comp), Phillip Hunt, DE, Hou.
7.43 (252) Cinn. (Comp), Anthony Felder, OLB, Cal
7.44 (253) Jax (Comp), Bruce Johnson, CB, Miami
7.45 (254) Ariz. (Comp), C.J. Davis, OG, Pitt.
7.46 (255) Det. (Comp), Marko Mitchell, WR, Nevada
7.47 (256) KC (Comp), Lendy Holmes, S, Okla
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