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    I know it's early in the season, but I thought this might be an interesting discussion to have periodically throughout the season. Mainly because I like the team building aspects of the NFL, and find it fascinating to discuss.

    Based on how I see the team playing right now, I don't see any burning flames of need anywhere on the team just yet. I thought we'd all be wincing in terror every time certain players hit the field, but so far, so good on that front. There are some areas that I would like to keep an eye on for upgrade potential, particularly in depth.

    Offense

    On offense, I don't see a dire need really anywhere. I do have a couple positions that I think need some help, though. I know that opinions on Orton vary, but I'm comfortable with him so far, and Simms is a capable backup. I'd like to see how Brandstater develops over this season before saying we need a QB.

    C -- After Weigmann, we've got Hamilton then crickets. Hochstein might be able to back up in the middle, but he's so new to the team. Chemistry suffers. It's a bit disconcerting that our oldest lineman is backed up by our second oldest (or is Ben actually older?). An early round Center would be a nice treat.

    G -- Another depth type guy like Olsen, taken around the same place in the draft (4-5th round?) would help shore up the shaky feeling I get when it looks like one of the starters isn't going to play. But, by the end of the season, Hochstein might have stepped up well making this a little less pressing.

    WR -- Another big body guy would be nice, in case Marshall isn't extended. Some of our more productive guys are getting long in the proverbial tooth, so we might need two WR in the next year or so.

    Defense

    ILB Depth -- Davis is playing well and Larsen is a thumper, but an upgrade at strong side wouldn't hurt. Davis won't be around forever, and the competition would push Larsen. Probably a luxury to look here right away, though.

    DE -- A stud 3-4 DE would be nice to get. We have solid guys at those positions, but it would be nice to have a guy that the opposing line just can't single-team consistently. We'd be even better against the run, and it would open up lanes for the pass rush on blitzes. E-Ped might get there one day, but an early draft pick would probably be less raw right away.

    NT -- So far I'm impressed that our NT position isn't a huge weakness. It might get that way as the season wears on, but I don't know. Chris Baker will probably be brought along slowly, but a bit more true NT depth wouldn't hurt at all. If we could get a day-one guy and have a future pair of Baker and that dude, we could be set for quite a while.

    CB -- I love Smith so far as the nickel back, and he might be the heir apparent to either Champ or Goodman, but I'd like more competition for the 4th spot. I think Jack Williams either needs to be pushed harder, or we need a guy who can come in and take that other spot away. Competition just makes the team better.

    OLB -- I'm not sure about OLB yet. Doom looks to have made the transition the fastest, but Haggan is doing fairly well on the other side. Reid is a good role player, and Ayers will have the rest of the season to step it up. If by the end of the season, we don't see Ayers starting across from Doom, with both playing good football, we might be in the market for more depth here.

    Special Teams

    Overall, I'm not too worried about ST right now. Coverage looks pretty good, and if Kern can be consistent, we'll be fine.

    Prater -- I think he'll be fine, but he's worth keeping an eye on. He was kicking in some nasty conditions last Sunday at Mile High, and he's only in his second year as our kicker.
    Kick/Punt Returns -- I haven't seen the explosiveness I expected from our return game yet. The staff seems to want to protect Royal, who has been our best option. I'd like to see McKinley get a shot at KR, but he had some issues in preseason.


    I think we are setup right now with an environment in which the best player available approach to the draft can thrive. We have solid guys with some acceptable depth at most positions, so we'd be looking for upgrades and added competition, rather than dam-saving plugs. The coaching on defense helps a lot, but I think the overall talent level is better this season than last.

    Feel free to share thoughts, pair up potential names with positions, or call me a moron.
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    Originally posted by Broncos Bassist View Post
    Feel free to share thoughts, pair up potential names with positions, or call me a moron.
    Moron! Just kiddin'

    Offense:
    C/G) Hamilton/Weigmann won't be around much longer, but Olsen looks like a 2-3yr project (minimum) at G and won't ever be a C. We need a savvy C that can also play G ready to start next season. We had one lined up - Lichtensteiger - but some idiot sent him packing. We'll either have to draft on the first day next year, or get a veteran FA to fill this void.
    QB) We need to look at developing a new QB for 3-5 yrs from now. Orton is pure dookie that probably doesn't finish the season as our starter and no way we re-sign him. Simms should be our starter now, is signed through next season, and hopefully gets an extension. But after Simms (3-5yrs) we'll either need a FA QB, Brandstater will be ready, or we draft another late-round QB next year to develop: 2010- Simms/Brandstater/Rookie
    TE) Receiving TEs are dime-a-dozen, so I don't see us keeping Scheffler this offseason. Graham has a few years left in the tank as one of the best all-around TEs. Branson has shown promise, but Quinn is a major bust that will be out of the NFL once McD can quietly brush that mistake aside. I'd look for us to draft a late-round receiving TE next April and bring in some FAs to compete.

    Defense:
    DE) All-new for 2010! McBean's a scrub - Peterson's a back-up - Holiday is solid, but a rental in his twilight. Pedescleaux showed promise, but we'll need FAs (Clemons>>McBean) and a first day pick for next year.
    DB) Smith, Williams, Bruton, Barrett is a good secondary now and should only get better. Minor attention only.
    LB) Set at ILB, but OLB remains a problem. Ayers looks like a 2-3yr project (minimum) at WOLB to back-up Doom (who's looked surprisingly good on the flat), but we got nobody at SOLB. FA or first day pick at SOLB next season.

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    • #3
      Nice Thread!

      Here are my thoughts as of of this date:


      Need Priorities (Quick Ranking):

      1. Defensive End
      2. Offensive Center
      3. Cornerback
      4. Return Specialist
      5. Wide Receiver
      6. Outside Linebacker
      7. Offensive Tackle
      8. Tight End


      Need Priorities (Analysis):


      1. Defensive End:

      Along with Center, this seems to clearly be our biggest need area. A lot depends on if we can resign LeKevin Smith because he would give us a legitimate starter at one DE position. Vonnie Holiday is likely a one year rental, so I'm assuming he's gone. Kenny Peterson is pretty old and appears to be more of an ideal #3 DE that can give quality starts if needed, but he's far from spectacular and struggles against the run. Marcus Thomas' future is up in the air, but he's been quality when moved around on the line, especially to DE. Ryan McBean is a below average reserve-type player. This position is either a major need or a dire, dire need depending on if we re-sign Smith and keep Thomas around. I think a 1st Round selection on a DE is an absolute lock. I could even see a scenario where we double dip.


      2. Offensive Center:

      Similar to Defensive End, alot depends on what we do in Free Agency. If we can re-sign Hochstein, that gives us an emergency OC. Also, the team is training Seth Olsen to play OC along with OG, so we will have some emergency depth regardless. I don't think we really want Hochstein or Olsen starting at OC though, and it's hit or miss if Wiegmann will play another year. I think Ben Hamilton is gone. He's looked bad for multiple years now, and he gets pushed around in the running game. I don't expect him to be back. I think OC is an immediate need, but this is a position that tends to be filled via Free Agency. However, this will be a solid OC draft and I project that we could land an absolute stud talent in the 2nd Round.


      3. Cornerback:

      Goodman should be good for another few years, Champ's contract puts his situation in jeopardy. McDaniels is on record stating he will never pay one player a disproportionate amount of salary cap space, so Champ will need to restructure or move on. I anticipate Champ restructuring, so our needs really would focus on finding a quality reserve CB that can dabble as a return ace. This is a really poor CB draft but we should be able to find a solid reserve type with the talents we require in the mid rounds. We might be the only team in the NFL without at least 5 CBs on their active roster. That's bad. And Jack Williams has proven to be average at best. We need help here. I could see a Free Agent depth signing or two, and a Mid-Round draft selection. I continue to say "Thank God" for Alphonso Smith. In a nickel defense driven league, he is invaluable to us since we have nothing behind him. I also think he'd easily be the best CB out of this next draft. He looks like the 2nd best CB out of last years draft (Sean Smith is crazy good) so far as well. Any way you slice it, that trade was brilliant foresight. A 2010 1st Round selection couldn't have netted us a better CB, which would have been our #1 need if we hadn't of drafted Smith.


      4. Return Specialist:

      New England has drafted several "pure" return guys in the last few years. I imagine McDaniels might agree with that mindset. If so, it's obvious none of our current guys (outside of Royal on punts) are very good. For a coach that harps on special teams, this sure looks like a major need area to be addressed. I know for next draft I am boosting up the grade of any WR or CB prospect that has elite return ability, and I'm keeping my eye out for any dynamic return ace overall.


      5. Wide Receiver:

      I still expect Marshall to be gone at some point. Obviously, if he stays, WR becomes less of a need. We have a few of the smaller, quicker types already, so I think a larger, red zone type might be what we go after in the mid rounds of the draft.


      6. Outside Linebacker:

      Jarvis Moss' contract should make him gone next offseason if his play doesn't. Dumervil is obviously headed towards extension-vil. That makes Ayers the future at the other OLB position where Haggan is holding down the fort in the meantime. I like how Darrell Reid is being used all over the place, he was a good signing. Really, all we need is a pass rushing talent developing behind Dumervil and someone to call on in the event of injury. A Mid-Round draft selection should do the trick.


      7. Offensive Tackler:

      We need depth. The jury is out on Polumbus, whom might be ok. But Gorin as the 4th OT is bad business. If we're going to keep a 4th OT inactive on game days, we might as well have a rookie developing. Regardless, I'd like to see someone brought in to push Polumbus as the 3rd OT. Right now, if Clady or Harris go down with injury, I think we're dead.


      8. Tight End:

      Scheffler should be gone next offseason to greener pastures. All we really need is a 3rd TE. It probably should be a pass catching type, but if Quinn develops his receiving skills, then maybe just an emergency TE will suffice.

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      • #4
        1. Defensive End
        2. Offensive Center
        3. Quarterback
        4. Receiver
        5. Outside Linebacker
        6. Gunner/Special Teams Ace

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        • #5
          1. Qb
          2. Qb
          3. Qb
          4. Qb
          5. Qb
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          IF McD wins us a Superbowl, I'll THINK about not hating him, maybe.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Broncoace67 View Post
            1. Qb
            Thanks for your intelligent response, but I highly doubt we take a QB next year with Kyle playing solid.

            I'm with mug on this one on pretty much every point but it's a bit early to tell how our OLBers will play out.
            1. LB Arthur Brown Kansas State
            2. SS Dj Swearinger South Carolina

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post
              Nice Thread!

              Here are my thoughts as of of this date:


              Need Priorities (Quick Ranking):

              1. Defensive End
              2. Offensive Center
              3. Cornerback
              4. Return Specialist
              5. Wide Receiver
              6. Outside Linebacker
              7. Offensive Tackle
              8. Tight End

              Just a few thoughts:

              Would love to see Champ restructure, just doubt he will to the point that Denver will be able to pay. I see money needed for Doom, Kuper, Orton, and maybe even Harris next year. Also, if Ellis Hobbs becomes a FA, I think Josh goes after him. He would compete with Smith for LCB and solve KO return guy (a position JJ Arrington was going to solve). Another ex-patriot finds his way over.

              As for WR, if Marshall is tendered and traded, Kevin Walter and Steve Breaston (also a good returner) would be viable targets. Breaton would be a RFA, but I could see us sending a pick in trade to AZ if they re-sign Boldin (NE did exactly that with Welker), as they have a cheaper option in Urban.

              R Ayers - B Cofield - A Haynesworth - CJ ohnson
              J Anderson - J Beason - DJ Williams
              R Bailey - P Amukamara - R Hill - A Goodman

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post
                Nice Thread!

                Here are my thoughts as of of this date:


                Need Priorities (Quick Ranking):

                1. Defensive End
                2. Offensive Center
                3. Cornerback
                4. Return Specialist
                5. Wide Receiver
                6. Outside Linebacker
                7. Offensive Tackle
                8. Tight End


                Need Priorities (Analysis):


                1. Defensive End:

                Along with Center, this seems to clearly be our biggest need area. A lot depends on if we can resign LeKevin Smith because he would give us a legitimate starter at one DE position. Vonnie Holiday is likely a one year rental, so I'm assuming he's gone. Kenny Peterson is pretty old and appears to be more of an ideal #3 DE that can give quality starts if needed, but he's far from spectacular and struggles against the run. Marcus Thomas' future is up in the air, but he's been quality when moved around on the line, especially to DE. Ryan McBean is a below average reserve-type player. This position is either a major need or a dire, dire need depending on if we re-sign Smith and keep Thomas around. I think a 1st Round selection on a DE is an absolute lock. I could even see a scenario where we double dip.


                I agree alot here i think Ogohabasse and Jared Odrick are gonna be 2 main targets in rd 1 for us, and outside of possibly center i dont see other needs being chosen in rd 1 unless something crazy happens in BPA available...i like smith and suprisingly Thomas looks good on the end and seems to be improving quickly, he also took some at NT and did alright so he is a lock to stay, peterson i also agree is struggling a bit but he stays. I actually think we will re-sign holliday, he plays tough and is a legit option for us and a good vet with expirience, i belive he gets resigned. abd baker and fields will both be here in my mind fields is still young and is improving it seems.


                2. Offensive Center:

                Similar to Defensive End, alot depends on what we do in Free Agency. If we can re-sign Hochstein, that gives us an emergency OC. Also, the team is training Seth Olsen to play OC along with OG, so we will have some emergency depth regardless. I don't think we really want Hochstein or Olsen starting at OC though, and it's hit or miss if Wiegmann will play another year. I think Ben Hamilton is gone. He's looked bad for multiple years now, and he gets pushed around in the running game. I don't expect him to be back. I think OC is an immediate need, but this is a position that tends to be filled via Free Agency. However, this will be a solid OC draft and I project that we could land an absolute stud talent in the 2nd Round.

                Def think a center or Guard is legit in rds 1, 2 or 3, wouldnt be suprised to see us pull another 2010 1st rd pick move for a high quality center or even Guard in rd 2


                3. Cornerback:

                Goodman should be good for another few years, Champ's contract puts his situation in jeopardy. McDaniels is on record stating he will never pay one player a disproportionate amount of salary cap space, so Champ will need to restructure or move on. I anticipate Champ restructuring, so our needs really would focus on finding a quality reserve CB that can dabble as a return ace. This is a really poor CB draft but we should be able to find a solid reserve type with the talents we require in the mid rounds. We might be the only team in the NFL without at least 5 CBs on their active roster. That's bad. And Jack Williams has proven to be average at best. We need help here. I could see a Free Agent depth signing or two, and a Mid-Round draft selection. I continue to say "Thank God" for Alphonso Smith. In a nickel defense driven league, he is invaluable to us since we have nothing behind him. I also think he'd easily be the best CB out of this next draft. He looks like the 2nd best CB out of last years draft (Sean Smith is crazy good) so far as well. Any way you slice it, that trade was brilliant foresight. A 2010 1st Round selection couldn't have netted us a better CB, which would have been our #1 need if we hadn't of drafted Smith.

                dont like to many corners next year at all and alphonso is looking liek a sweet move i agree, i actually think CB will be addressed in FA as champ will probally be on his way out and the talent in teh draft isnt high, dont like any cb's with return ability eitehr right now in the draft. only cb's i liek are javier arenas(rd 1-2) or crezdon butler rds 3-4

                4. Return Specialist:

                New England has drafted several "pure" return guys in the last few years. I imagine McDaniels might agree with that mindset. If so, it's obvious none of our current guys (outside of Royal on punts) are very good. For a coach that harps on special teams, this sure looks like a major need area to be addressed. I know for next draft I am boosting up the grade of any WR or CB prospect that has elite return ability, and I'm keeping my eye out for any dynamic return ace overall.

                Def a need and i have a eye on jacoby ford from clemosn very good reciever and great speed, could be a suprise returner. def agree this is a need in rds 3-5


                5. Wide Receiver:

                I still expect Marshall to be gone at some point. Obviously, if he stays, WR becomes less of a need. We have a few of the smaller, quicker types already, so I think a larger, red zone type might be what we go after in the mid rounds of the draft.

                Eric decker.....lol rd 3 or 4


                6. Outside Linebacker:

                Jarvis Moss' contract should make him gone next offseason if his play doesn't. Dumervil is obviously headed towards extension-vil. That makes Ayers the future at the other OLB position where Haggan is holding down the fort in the meantime. I like how Darrell Reid is being used all over the place, he was a good signing. Really, all we need is a pass rushing talent developing behind Dumervil and someone to call on in the event of injury. A Mid-Round draft selection should do the trick.

                Agree here, doom will get his extension, and haggan has already been extended, plus reid is a good back-up....moss is probally gone so a develop guy makes sense...jason worilds from VT perhaps rds 4-5

                7. Offensive Tackler:

                We need depth. The jury is out on Polumbus, whom might be ok. But Gorin as the 4th OT is bad business. If we're going to keep a 4th OT inactive on game days, we might as well have a rookie developing. Regardless, I'd like to see someone brought in to push Polumbus as the 3rd OT. Right now, if Clady or Harris go down with injury, I think we're dead.

                i like polumbus but outside of him we need another gorin is lame, UDFA possibly


                8. Tight End:

                Scheffler should be gone next offseason to greener pastures. All we really need is a 3rd TE. It probably should be a pass catching type, but if Quinn develops his receiving skills, then maybe just an emergency TE will suffice.

                I think we will try and re-sign tony, he looks much better as a blocker and is ahead of quinn right now. i think he stays and its graham we let walk, his salary is huge love the guy, but unless he restructures i think he walks.....
                great post MUG....my thoughts to yours in Bold

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                • #9
                  I got busy at work and with the family and haven't had time to check in until this morning. Thanks for the great thoughts, everyone.

                  Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post
                  Need Priorities (Quick Ranking):

                  1. Defensive End
                  2. Offensive Center
                  3. Cornerback
                  4. Return Specialist
                  5. Wide Receiver
                  6. Outside Linebacker
                  7. Offensive Tackle
                  8. Tight End
                  I think I might flip 1 & 2, but agree they are our top two right now. It's just week 2, though. I have a feeling I'm going to want a guy like Seymour after this weekend.

                  Need Priorities (Analysis):

                  1. Defensive End:

                  Along with Center, this seems to clearly be our biggest need area. A lot depends on if we can resign LeKevin Smith because he would give us a legitimate starter at one DE position. Vonnie Holiday is likely a one year rental, so I'm assuming he's gone. Kenny Peterson is pretty old and appears to be more of an ideal #3 DE that can give quality starts if needed, but he's far from spectacular and struggles against the run. Marcus Thomas' future is up in the air, but he's been quality when moved around on the line, especially to DE. Ryan McBean is a below average reserve-type player. This position is either a major need or a dire, dire need depending on if we re-sign Smith and keep Thomas around. I think a 1st Round selection on a DE is an absolute lock. I could even see a scenario where we double dip.
                  I really think that we could be solid with Thomas and Smith starting, and Holliday backing him up. We do need a fourth guy, though. Plus, an upgrade from solid to good or great would be a welcome addition, so I'd still keep DE at the top with Center as our positions of need, even if we end the year with Thomas and Smith starting, and re-sign Smith.

                  2. Offensive Center:

                  Similar to Defensive End, alot depends on what we do in Free Agency. If we can re-sign Hochstein, that gives us an emergency OC. Also, the team is training Seth Olsen to play OC along with OG, so we will have some emergency depth regardless. I don't think we really want Hochstein or Olsen starting at OC though, and it's hit or miss if Wiegmann will play another year. I think Ben Hamilton is gone. He's looked bad for multiple years now, and he gets pushed around in the running game. I don't expect him to be back. I think OC is an immediate need, but this is a position that tends to be filled via Free Agency. However, this will be a solid OC draft and I project that we could land an absolute stud talent in the 2nd Round.
                  Agree that we don't want Hochstein or Olsen starting at Center. I think they work as fill-in guys, but they're not real Centers. Also agreed re: Hamilton walking. He's just not as good as he used to be. Maybe he'll retire a Bronco and we won't have to hate him. Good to hear that the draft is looking good for OCs. This is a good time to need one, I guess.

                  3. Cornerback:

                  Goodman should be good for another few years, Champ's contract puts his situation in jeopardy. McDaniels is on record stating he will never pay one player a disproportionate amount of salary cap space, so Champ will need to restructure or move on. I anticipate Champ restructuring, so our needs really would focus on finding a quality reserve CB that can dabble as a return ace. This is a really poor CB draft but we should be able to find a solid reserve type with the talents we require in the mid rounds. We might be the only team in the NFL without at least 5 CBs on their active roster. That's bad. And Jack Williams has proven to be average at best. We need help here. I could see a Free Agent depth signing or two, and a Mid-Round draft selection. I continue to say "Thank God" for Alphonso Smith. In a nickel defense driven league, he is invaluable to us since we have nothing behind him. I also think he'd easily be the best CB out of this next draft. He looks like the 2nd best CB out of last years draft (Sean Smith is crazy good) so far as well. Any way you slice it, that trade was brilliant foresight. A 2010 1st Round selection couldn't have netted us a better CB, which would have been our #1 need if we hadn't of drafted Smith.
                  I wonder how much of that went through the room when Smith fell into the second round. Were they looking ahead to next year, or was it JUST BPA that fell, and they thought they could use a ballhawking corner?

                  I agree about Williams ending up being average, and that's why I'd like to see a guy who can either push him to be better (Smith wasn't able to, but maybe he'd fight harder if his spot on the roster was in jeopardy), or outright replace him on the depth chart. He'd be great as a 5th CB. Any thoughts on who might be hitting FA this year? Anybody else have an early read on that?

                  4. Return Specialist:

                  New England has drafted several "pure" return guys in the last few years. I imagine McDaniels might agree with that mindset. If so, it's obvious none of our current guys (outside of Royal on punts) are very good. For a coach that harps on special teams, this sure looks like a major need area to be addressed. I know for next draft I am boosting up the grade of any WR or CB prospect that has elite return ability, and I'm keeping my eye out for any dynamic return ace overall.
                  Have you seen any elite return guys in this class yet? I've not heard any real rumblings yet, but I don't follow college ball much, except for my team. I agree that we need a guy here. I thought that McKinley might be the guy, but it doesn't look like it so far.

                  5. Wide Receiver:

                  I still expect Marshall to be gone at some point. Obviously, if he stays, WR becomes less of a need. We have a few of the smaller, quicker types already, so I think a larger, red zone type might be what we go after in the mid rounds of the draft.
                  This was my thinking on WR, too. Marshall just doesn't look like he's going to be around after this year. I'd love to see the team get value for him in a trade, but what are the odds? Agree that we need a big target for the Randy Moss-type throws.

                  6. Outside Linebacker:

                  Jarvis Moss' contract should make him gone next offseason if his play doesn't. Dumervil is obviously headed towards extension-vil. That makes Ayers the future at the other OLB position where Haggan is holding down the fort in the meantime. I like how Darrell Reid is being used all over the place, he was a good signing. Really, all we need is a pass rushing talent developing behind Dumervil and someone to call on in the event of injury. A Mid-Round draft selection should do the trick.
                  The only hope for Moss is that he forces his way onto the field and takes one of the top three spots. Otherwise, he's probably an offseason casualty this year. We should be in a better position to get rid of marginal talent after this season, anyway. It would be sweet to finish out the season with Ayers starting opposite Doom, and not just because no one else can do the job. I agree that a mid-round development guy would be perfect.

                  7. Offensive Tackler:

                  We need depth. The jury is out on Polumbus, whom might be ok. But Gorin as the 4th OT is bad business. If we're going to keep a 4th OT inactive on game days, we might as well have a rookie developing. Regardless, I'd like to see someone brought in to push Polumbus as the 3rd OT. Right now, if Clady or Harris go down with injury, I think we're dead.
                  I think Nate Webster was the most offensive tackler we had, and he's gone. Sorry. Had to.

                  I think Polumbus is fine as a reserve, but I'm not sure how good I'd feel if he had to step in for Ryan Harris for an extended period of time. Gorin is wasting roster space, so I agree we need a 3rd/4th Tackle.

                  8. Tight End:

                  Scheffler should be gone next offseason to greener pastures. All we really need is a 3rd TE. It probably should be a pass catching type, but if Quinn develops his receiving skills, then maybe just an emergency TE will suffice.
                  Is Tony's contract up after this season? I'd like to see him stick around, but I could see it happening. I think Quinn will be able to develop over the season (he's already been a part of the offense blocking for the RBs), but if we let Scheffler walk, we might be in trouble after 2010, because Graham's contract is up, if I'm not mistaken. So I agree that a solid TE that can grow to fill in for one of them is a need.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cutler2007 View Post
                    Just a few thoughts:

                    Would love to see Champ restructure, just doubt he will to the point that Denver will be able to pay. I see money needed for Doom, Kuper, Orton, and maybe even Harris next year. Also, if Ellis Hobbs becomes a FA, I think Josh goes after him. He would compete with Smith for LCB and solve KO return guy (a position JJ Arrington was going to solve). Another ex-patriot finds his way over.

                    As for WR, if Marshall is tendered and traded, Kevin Walter and Steve Breaston (also a good returner) would be viable targets. Breaton would be a RFA, but I could see us sending a pick in trade to AZ if they re-sign Boldin (NE did exactly that with Welker), as they have a cheaper option in Urban.
                    Wow, I could live with Breaston. Hobbs would be a nice addition, too. I really hope that Champ restructures to finish out his career here. Not that I think he can't be replaced, but it won't be easy, and he's one of those guys that it would kill you to see lined up in another jersey.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Momentum View Post
                      1. Defensive End
                      2. Offensive Center
                      3. Quarterback
                      4. Receiver
                      5. Outside Linebacker
                      6. Gunner/Special Teams Ace
                      When you say Special Teams Ace, do you include return specialist? I don't see a huge need for gunners (we've got some very young, very good ones), and we're sort of stocked with great special teams cover guys. We could use a couple more that can block well in the return game, though. I'd still say that returner is our biggest need on ST.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Broncos Bassist View Post
                        Wow, I could live with Breaston. Hobbs would be a nice addition, too. I really hope that Champ restructures to finish out his career here. Not that I think he can't be replaced, but it won't be easy, and he's one of those guys that it would kill you to see lined up in another jersey.

                        i think we will be praying Champ(doubtful he stays though) and daniel graham restructure. thankfully for us sheff has become a very good blocker and quinn is as well. branson from the PS could get the call up next year.

                        I belive we will be resigning Kuper(a legit Man blocking guy and zbs guy, who does well in pass protection and is our best interior run blocker right now), also see us signing Sheffler, and dumervil as well as vonnie holliday to extensions

                        i think we will franchise tender marshall and get a 1st and 3rd for him.

                        and i am almost certain brandy will get his shot next year even if orton walks in FA, 1 full year on the bench and he should be ready to at least challenge Simms for the starting gig.

                        i could see us going after a guy like hiller or pike though, but im willing to bet we wont be clamoring for a top QB in the draft thats for sure.

                        My needs as i see them

                        1. DE.....290-310 range
                        2. C..... 305-325 lb range
                        3. G....315-325 lb range
                        4. CB
                        5. WR/Return Specialist
                        6. ILB
                        7. OLB
                        8. OT......305-315 range

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                          If we trade Marshall, I'd try to get a WR(maybe Arrelius Benn) and a DE(Oghobassee or Odrick) in round 1, Best Center available(don't really care who) in round 2, CB and G in round 3(get a G wherever the 2nd pick for Marshall is), OT in round 4, OLB in round 5, DE in round 6, and maybe another C/G in round 7 for training camp competition. We'd try to get a return guy in FA, and hope that Champ resigns.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bowie Man View Post
                            If we trade Marshall, I'd try to get a WR(maybe Arrelius Benn) and a DE(Oghobassee or Odrick) in round 1, Best Center available(don't really care who) in round 2, CB and G in round 3(get a G wherever the 2nd pick for Marshall is), OT in round 4, OLB in round 5, DE in round 6, and maybe another C/G in round 7 for training camp competition. We'd try to get a return guy in FA, and hope that Champ resigns.
                            Really hope Champ resigns. Is there any chance we get a 1st and 3rd for Marshall if we tender him that high? At this point, I'd have to say no, but he might start clicking a bit more in the offense soon. Let's hope so.

                            I like your thinking, but if we trade Marshall, we're going to need to look for a big wide receiver to replace him. The problem is, we'd need to use probably one of the 3rd rounders or the second to get one, unless we luck out later. But we need those interior linemen and a CB.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Broncos Bassist View Post
                              Really hope Champ resigns. Is there any chance we get a 1st and 3rd for Marshall if we tender him that high? At this point, I'd have to say no, but he might start clicking a bit more in the offense soon. Let's hope so.

                              I like your thinking, but if we trade Marshall, we're going to need to look for a big wide receiver to replace him. The problem is, we'd need to use probably one of the 3rd rounders or the second to get one, unless we luck out later. But we need those interior linemen and a CB.
                              yes by the end of the season unless we miracolously extend him i belive a team would do a trade for first and third rd picks, as for big recivers, eric decker, brandon lafell, arelious benn all solid options.....marshall would no doubt be a loss, but we would stockpile picks some the patriot way is famous for.....and eric decker and brandon lafell should have solid rookie years, both have good hands, speed, and run great routes, and get sepration(the last 2 being main keys to pro success)


                              interior OL is needed as bad next year as LT was needed when lepsis was done and we drafted CLADY......

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