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  • MindField
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    Originally posted by FlowdaBroncoFan View Post
    IF the Pauncey Twins declare, and thats a big if, mike pauncey will be 2nd round material and maurkice pauncey 3rd rounder. With that said, Andre davis is going to be 30 this year i think. he is getting up there in age. Why not get an emotional and aggressive player like Spikes in the 1st then Pauncey twins the next 2 picks. Then a safety in the forth, CB in the sixth, and WR/KR in the 7th.

    Spikes will learn from Dawkins Champ and DJ (in my mind the best group to learn from) and be a starter next year.
    It's not a big 'if' at all, it's likely the Pouncey twins will leave.

    Tebow will be gone, and they will have done all there is to do in college football. They risk injury and a loss of money by staying at Florida.

    To me, Spikes is a reach as a first round pick, especially in the top 20. He's not overly athletic....don't get me wrong, he's a good player, but I don't think he is going to be an outstanding Pro. To me, he's running third behind McClain and Missouri's Weatherspoon, and I would take both of those players over him.

    The Broncos will have the luxury of taking the best player available in the first round. That could be a stud d-lineman that they rarely get a chance to draft, a good safety to groom under B Dawk, a good young corner prospect since Champ is likely gone after next year or an interior C/G.

    The question to me is really how far Chicago falls and how early the draft selection the Broncos get from them.

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  • FlowdaBroncoFan
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    All Florida Draft

    Originally posted by MindField View Post
    If we go MLB, which to me is just un-necessary (what's wrong with DJ and the job Aundra Davis has done???....and you still have Woodyard in reserve), give me Alabama's Rolando McClain.

    Spikes is a good player, but there are better players available.

    Personally, I believe we are going to take Florida's Mike Pouncey to play OLG in the first round.

    I think McD will value him as a 6'5"-320 body that is already familiar with the spread offense, as we know McD has studied what Florida does, and admires Urban Meyer's system. To me, Pouncey is a PERFECT LG for our O-line.
    IF the Pauncey Twins declare, and thats a big if, mike pauncey will be 2nd round material and maurkice pauncey 3rd rounder. With that said, Andre davis is going to be 30 this year i think. he is getting up there in age. Why not get an emotional and aggressive player like Spikes in the 1st then Pauncey twins the next 2 picks. Then a safety in the forth, CB in the sixth, and WR/KR in the 7th.

    Spikes will learn from Dawkins Champ and DJ (in my mind the best group to learn from) and be a starter next year.

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  • MindField
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    Originally posted by BRADFORD'10 View Post
    come you guys what about BRANDON SPIKES!!! He will be very available if we are picking in the top 20!!! He would compliment D.J. and complete our LB core with Dumervil, Williams, SPIKES, and Ayers a very good young LB core also with great subs with Andre' Davis, Wesley Woodyard, Mario Haggan, Darrell Reid!! WOW look at that!! that could possibly the best LB corps in the league WOW!!!!

    I say that we need to draft LB Brandon Spikes Florida, C Kristofer O'Dowd USC, DE Vince Oghobaase Duke ( McDaniels type of a DE at 6'6" 300Lbs.), And S Myron Rolle Florida State!!
    If we go MLB, which to me is just un-necessary (what's wrong with DJ and the job Aundra Davis has done???....and you still have Woodyard in reserve), give me Alabama's Rolando McClain.

    Spikes is a good player, but there are better players available.

    Personally, I believe we are going to take Florida's Mike Pouncey to play OLG in the first round.

    I think McD will value him as a 6'5"-320 body that is already familiar with the spread offense, as we know McD has studied what Florida does, and admires Urban Meyer's system. To me, Pouncey is a PERFECT LG for our O-line.

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  • BRADFORD'10
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    come you guys what about BRANDON SPIKES!!! He will be very available if we are picking in the top 20!!! He would compliment D.J. and complete our LB core with Dumervil, Williams, SPIKES, and Ayers a very good young LB core also with great subs with Andre' Davis, Wesley Woodyard, Mario Haggan, Darrell Reid!! WOW look at that!! that could possibly the best LB corps in the league WOW!!!!

    I say that we need to draft LB Brandon Spikes Florida, C Kristofer O'Dowd USC, DE Vince Oghobaase Duke ( McDaniels type of a DE at 6'6" 300Lbs.), And S Myron Rolle Florida State!!

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  • MindField
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    Jokers Wild

    I believe that you just keep adding pressure players, or 'Jokers', on defense when you can; those players are always hard to come by.

    Players like TCU's Jerry Hughes (6'3"-257) are going to be perfect for the Broncos defense, and this draft is going to be full of them.

    The 3-4 defense is built and predicated on skilled, athletic LB's, and if the Broncos end up with a Top 20 selection from Chicago, as expected, they would do well to replace Moss, for example, with another skilled pass rush threat on the heels of drafting Robert Ayers.

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  • elevation INC
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    Originally posted by MindField View Post
    This is a good, and very possible, trade scenario...not so much the players, but the concept.

    I like Oghobaase and Areanas, though.
    i agree and think its more likely we go this route than keep a 1st rd pick especially if its a low one like 13-15 becasue chicao sucks...i just dont belive we will accept the finacial cost again of a top 15 pick....

    i belive we will argue better value for rds 2-3 on players and cost...and we will go that route.....

    as for the players fair enough but we would be stupid not to address the secondary/DE/interior OL and some impact player elsewhere if we had 2 seconds and 2 thirds...lol......heck even CJ spiller comes to mind if he makes it to round 2......

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  • MindField
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    Originally posted by elevation INC View Post
    A possibility......trade our first rd pick for a second and third rd pick , use our 2 second rd picks and 2 third rd picks on the following

    2. DE Vince Oghobasse or DT lawrence Marsh
    2. CB Javier Arenas
    3. C/G Thomas Austin
    3. ILB/WR/Return Specialist
    This is a good, and very possible, trade scenario...not so much the players, but the concept.

    I like Oghobaase and Areanas, though.

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  • elevation INC
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    Originally posted by Snarfalicious View Post
    Definetly wouldn't mind that. Jordan Shipley or Micah Johnson in the 3rd would be ideal in my eyes. I'm starting to really like Micah Johnson.
    i really like him and pawlek from baylor....i also belive arenas will be a very good corner at the next level. as for shipley i am willing to bet he doesnt get to round 3, all the guy does is produce constantly.....MIndfield is right this guy is bonafide.....but i dont see a place here quite yet being i see him taken in rd 2. i belive we will address returner and ILB around rds 3-4 hence micah johnson rd 3, or a returner like brandon james.....

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  • Snarfalicious
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    Originally posted by elevation INC View Post
    A possibility......trade our first rd pick for a second and third rd pick , use our 2 second rd picks and 2 third rd picks on the following

    2. DE Vince Oghobasse or DT lawrence Marsh
    2. CB Javier Arenas
    3. C/G Thomas Austin
    3. ILB/WR/Return Specialist
    Definetly wouldn't mind that. Jordan Shipley or Micah Johnson in the 3rd would be ideal in my eyes. I'm starting to really like Micah Johnson.

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  • elevation INC
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    A possibility......trade our first rd pick for a second and third rd pick , use our 2 second rd picks and 2 third rd picks on the following

    2. DE Vince Oghobasse or DT lawrence Marsh
    2. CB Javier Arenas
    3. C/G Thomas Austin
    3. ILB/WR/Return Specialist

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  • JaysusCutler
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    Originally posted by MindField View Post
    and please don't suggest developing David Bruton and/or Josh Barrett, as they are backup safties at best that earn their keep on special teams.
    I totally disagree. I think Bruton can be our guy. I loved everything I've seen from him from college to preseason to his limited role in the regular season. Bruton seems to be an ideal fill-in for Dawkins IMO.

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  • Hoserman117
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    Originally posted by Bronco in UT View Post
    I think this draft will go in the form of infusing a youth movement in critical areas for our team, i.e. the offensive and defensive lines. MInd, I really have to agree with you on this one in that I could definitely see us drafting OL and DL, early and often. With the talent in this draft, particularly on the defensive side of the ball, we could really be set for the future. It will get very interesting to see which juniors come out early.
    Uh oh.... you have 666 posts!

    QUICK MAKE ANOTHER ONE BEFORE WE ALL DIE!!!!

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  • Bronco in UT
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    I think this draft will go in the form of infusing a youth movement in critical areas for our team, i.e. the offensive and defensive lines. MInd, I really have to agree with you on this one in that I could definitely see us drafting OL and DL, early and often. With the talent in this draft, particularly on the defensive side of the ball, we could really be set for the future. It will get very interesting to see which juniors come out early.

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  • broncos SB2010
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    Originally posted by Snarfalicious View Post
    Going along with the whole trading down/out (which I totally agree with as a team with no glaring needs, just a lack of overall depth at some spots), I looked a little further into some of the opporunities to trade out of the first round to accumulate some more 2nd to 3rd round picks. Here's what I came up with:

    I found that Tampa Bay, Kansas City, and New England all have 2 2nd round picks. After looking at these three teams, the only one I see us having a good chance to trade with would be the Tampa Bay Bucs. New England I don't think would want to give away two picks, and neither would Kansas City to us. But, I could see Tampa Bay looking to get back into the first round if a talented guy were to fall into our laps. I expect them to take Ndamukong Suh with their first pick, he just meets everything they need. They also need a pass rusher, and at around 18-22 (Where I think we will be picking), they would be able to get that.

    Despite what many people think, the Bucs do not have a ton of holes on their roster, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were looking to move back into the 1st round to get 2 guys who could come in and immediately help them. They really need a DT, DE, and a true #1 threat at WR. They like Josh Johnson and Josh Freeman, they have a solid OL, and they have a pretty good RB corps. Their D is hindered by their Front 4, and they know that.

    So, going ahead assuming that we trade out of the first round of the draft with Tampa Bay (who at this point is scheduled to be the 2nd overall pick in the draft); the trade would look something like this in my eyes:

    Denver trades their 1st Round Pick (22nd overall - 780), 6th Round Pick (187th overall - 17), and Marcus Thomas DT (Valued at about a 3rd-4th round pick - 120).

    Tampa Bay trades their 2nd Round Pick (34th overall - 560), and 2nd Round pick (360).

    Value is Denver = Approx. 917 to Tampa Bay = 920

    I know, I know. Trades this early are extremely hard to read, but this trade does make sense logically with the point values, and actually including Marcus Thomas; who is a solid DT, and he's still young, is more fitted to be in a 4-3 in my eyes, and the Bucs would love to have more depth there.

    So going forward our picks might look like this:
    3 2nd round picks, 1 3rd round pick, 1 4th round pick, 1 7th round pick.

    That being said, here is how I would approach the draft:

    2a. Maurkice Pouncey OG/C Florida. He slips into the 2nd round, barely. We get him with our high pick from the Bucs, and we get an immediate replacement for Hamilton (whom I expect to be gone), and the heir apparent to Weigmann.

    2b. Perrish Cox CB Oklahoma State. A fantastic CB/KR, with a great blend of size, speed, and smarts. He is an extremely talented CB, who needs to show a little more toughness against the run, but is a great cover CB. He is one of the best KR's in the history of Oklahoma State, and he is a welcomed addition to our team as a versatile threat.

    2c. Vince Oghobaase DE Duke. Great player, has really turned up his game in the past year. He fits the mold of a great DE in a 3-4. Could be a true beast at DE for us.

    3. Jordan Shipley WR Texas. He might make his way into the 2nd round, but I'm not so sure. I value him as a 3rd rounder with major upside. He has all the tools, but his durability is a concern. He and Cox would be 2 great KR to add into the fold. He's a crisp route-runner, something Josh McDaniels will appreciate, and he has that added versatility as a ST player.

    4. Micah Johnson ILB Kentucky. A big ILB, fits the mold of the TED LB like a glove. He is a stout run defender, and he is a sure tackler. Comes from the SEC, so he knows what good talent looks like across from him. I like his intangibles a lot.

    7. Big RB/BPA

    I just threw it together, but I think it would look like a good draft on paper. What do you think?
    This loks pretty similar to my draft wish list

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  • Snarfalicious
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    In Response to MUG:


    I agree with the stance that we will go Interior OL/DE in the first 2 rounds. It is really the only place where I look on our roster and say we could use a little more from that position. I would love a mauling Center, and I am most high on Stefan Wisniewski and Maurkice Pouncey. I know you mentioned Boren as a potential high-round pick, but I have yet to really watch him play. Theres arguably plenty of starting quality DE's in this draft from rounds 1-3. Names that come to mind, that I think could be there when we draft in each of the first three rounds are: Arthur Jones, Jared Odrick, Vince Oghobaase, and Brando Deadrick (these are probably my favorites apart from Suh and McCoy whom I don't think will be there at the time of our pick). I would love to see an early approach in addressing the needs at LG/C and DE.

    I think we need to add some size/youth combination to our CB position. I was high on D.J. Johnson out of college, so who knows, maybe we have long term plans for him, but if they don't think he can be the answer down the road (let's face it, he was an UDFA, but he also has all the intangibles, just needs to polish and learn the position more), we should go after a guy that offers size, talent, and also is a dual-threat as a KR/PR. I know you have stated you don't think we would go after a taller CB, but if you were to have to pick some of your favorite taller CB talents (5'11+), who comes to mind?

    I do see a need for some talent at TED. I know we have Andra Davis, who has quite frankly played awesome this year, but it is an area in which if one of those guys go down, I'm not sure if I feel comfortable with the backup. I do think that eventually we could move Mario Haggan in there, as he does seem to operate well in tight quarters, and he has the size to hold up, but what about at Jack ILB. I'm not so confident in Woodyard or Larsen in that role, and I think if we added a guy like Micah Johnson, who could very easily acclimate himself to a Jack or TED position, would provide upside and depth to our LB corps. Another guy I like is Joe Pawelek from Baylor. He's another tough-nosed LB but he compares similarly to Larsen, but with better coverage skills.

    I agree with Safety and QB being a position of relatively no need. I like Brandstater, and anyone who watches the game can see how Orton fits the system like a glove. I like the potential of Bruton, and I think McBath will eventually be a good starter in the Renaldo Hill role. Bruton was known as a leader at ND, and he obviously has all the abilities, but he needs to learn some discipline in the run-game, as he has the tendency to overpursue, but that will come in time I believe.

    At WR, I like our depth, and this could become one of our top 3 needs if Marshall were to slip away. But, if he were to slip away, it would most likely after we apply the highest tender on him, which I believe is a 1st and a 3rd. Worst things could happen, to be honest. I think Marshall stays, even with the re-signing of Orton, Doom, and Kuper. I don't see Kuper taking a lot of money, and Orton I don't believe will take a ton either. Marshall and Doom will be the most expensive, but they should be as our biggest impact players on each side of the ball. I would really like for us to add a BIG receiver with some nice upside in the mid-to-late rounds. We have the guys who hover just at or under 6'0", but I'd like to have that guy we could put opposite of Marshall that can really stretch the field and go up and get it. I still dream of having Royal in the Welker role, but I'm not sure if or when that will happen.

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