Draft w/ FA

[CTM]

Alright, so I know I did a mock recently but I didnt do it with any FA signings.


So here's a new one, this time no trades.

Resign,
Marshall- 6 years 55 mil.
Orton- 3 years 27 mil
Dumervil- 5 years 48 mil
Kuper- 4 years 18 mil.



FA

Johnny Jolly NT- We need a guy to plug the middle, a better space eater than Fields, who is a solid rotational guy but nothing more.

Richard Marshall CB- Our corner situation could get very bad very quickly if we let it stay the way it is. Champ and Goodman will only get slower, Smith hasnt shown he's developed enough, we're one injury away from a crisis mode in the secondary. Marshall should be one of the most sought after corners on the market given his age and play this season.

Eugene Amano OG- He's been part of an O-line that will have a shot to give Chris Johnson 2000 yards next week. We need better run blockers up front and Amano should fit the bill.

Sam Koch P- I believe he will be a FA, and trust me if he is, we want this guy. Berger has been inconsistent at best. Koch is quietely one of the better punters in the game. I've watched Raven's games and he has one of the strongest legs I've ever seen from a punter. He also has crazy good control of the ball inside the ten yard line.

I would hope these free agents fill up some of the more pressing needs that we wont be able to fill in the draft.


Draft-

8th pick- Rolando McClain ILB- Yes, He doesnt fit a big need right now with Davis playing so well, but Davis is over 30 and if we can pair McClain up with DJ we instantly have one of the best ILB tandems in the league. I think at this point McClain or Haden would be BPA, and if we sign Marshall, McClain is clearly the right choice.

2. Maurkice Pouncey C- I havent seen many reports on him but I believe he won the Rimington trophy, awarded to the nations top center. My guess is he'll be available in the early to mid 2nd. If he slides a bit we can nab him with our original pick, but we might have to trad up to get him, which I'd be for given our need.

3. Tyson Aluala DE- He plays the 3-4 end spot at Cal so he def has the experience of the position. Also has the production to go with it. 7.5 sacks and 10 TFL. Shows he can penetrate which is what our line needs.


4. Eric Decker WR- He's got great size, great hands, can run after the catch, but has average timed speed. Remind you of another receiver we drafted in the 4th round a few years ago? Decker had his season cut short with a knee injury, he should fall to us here in the 4th with those concerns. If he can come back to full strength we have another weapon for our offense.

6. Chris Marinelli OT- Good size at 6'7 310, he's from Stanford and was part of the line that helped Gerhart become a serious Heisman contender. We have little depth at OT aside from Polumbus.


*Wrap up*
If these moves fall for us, we will have a greatly improved interior line. This should definitely help us build on what we started this season. I would like to see Orton back and see if he can lead us, no matter how this season finishes. With an improved line and another weapon he might look even better next year. I dont think we go QB in this draft simply because we have a QB in Orton and someone to develop with Brandstater. No need to add another one. This draft also addresses the whole defense except OLB, and S, which I feel good about, so long as we resign Doom, because of the young depth we have at both positions as well. Jolly should give us an upgrade at NT. Aluala Will give us another guy to rotate in at DE. This is the one position which I didnt put as much effort in as I think we will need. We still lack a dominant and disruptive force on the line. I really liked Allen Bailey as a DE, but he's going back for another year. But realistically you wont be able to fill every need and DE might have to be put on the back burner unless Aluala becomes great.

I still like this offseason because it strengthens our trenches on both sides alot. This game is won and lost in the trenches, and the consistently really good teams, Colts, Pats, Eagles, Steelers, Giants, all have very good OL and DL.

So, updated thoughts on this?

If we have to trade Marshall and pick up a receiver, one guy I'm looking at is Danario Alexander. He had 1600 plus yards with over 100 catches to go with a 6'4 215 frame. Definitely can win some jump balls, He'd be a nice option in the second if we dont want to go WR in the first.

I'd hate to have to trade Marshall but if it comes to that, Alexander might be a nice option to turn to.

Other than that, I'd stick with this draft and FA moves, only swapping our Pouncey to our first pick that we get with Marshall to ensure we get him, most likely the Ravens around 20 or so, and then take Alexander with our second.

If we get a 3rd rounder as well for Marshall then we can deal that for a second rounder the following year.

And yes I'd stick with Decker in the 4th just because of the matchup problems he would create with his size, being that we run a lot of 3 and 4 receiver sets.

[Broncosinindy]

I think Kuper is still a great player at Guard. He has played very well this year dispite a injury.


He will not go anywhere. He is such a better player than Hochstein , Hamilton , Olsen.

I think drafting a Great Center or Guard is vital for Denver this draft.

Olsen is a rookie. i'll give it to you. right now Kuper is better. But until Olsen is given a chance we dont know what we have.

If olsen who is a rookie does not recieve play time what makes you think some rookie this upcoming year is going to start. much less beat someone out for a spot? Most of the interior lineman i see coming out this year arent that great. All of them have weaknesses that will most likely take a season or two to season them up.

[housemouse]

Kuper is not that good he is ok and 4yr 18 million would be absurd for a subpar player. Kuper is too small for a run blocking guard and he does not posess the quickness and strength to make up for his size.

Kuper benched less than Moreno at the combine so enough said about his strength here. As seen in games when kuper is matched up against bigger D lineman he gets dominated. Our interior line is suffering and its not only the old center or back up left guard.

Why waste money on a guard that niether fits the run blocking scheme nor has proven to be one of the better lineman? For that kind of money I'd rather try FA.

You know you're talking about the guy that allowed 0 sacks in 620 pass attempts last year...right?

But I guess we can do better in FA..

[Broncosinindy]

Alright, so I know I did a mock recently but I didnt do it with any FA signings.


So here's a new one, this time no trades.

Resign,
Marshall- 6 years 55 mil.
Orton- 3 years 27 mil
Dumervil- 5 years 48 mil
Kuper- 4 years 18 mil.



FA

Johnny Jolly NT- We need a guy to plug the middle, a better space eater than Fields, who is a solid rotational guy but nothing more.

Richard Marshall CB- Our corner situation could get very bad very quickly if we let it stay the way it is. Champ and Goodman will only get slower, Smith hasnt shown he's developed enough, we're one injury away from a crisis mode in the secondary. Marshall should be one of the most sought after corners on the market given his age and play this season.

Eugene Amano OG- He's been part of an O-line that will have a shot to give Chris Johnson 2000 yards next week. We need better run blockers up front and Amano should fit the bill.

Sam Koch P- I believe he will be a FA, and trust me if he is, we want this guy. Berger has been inconsistent at best. Koch is quietely one of the better punters in the game. I've watched Raven's games and he has one of the strongest legs I've ever seen from a punter. He also has crazy good control of the ball inside the ten yard line.

I would hope these free agents fill up some of the more pressing needs that we wont be able to fill in the draft.


Draft-

8th pick- Rolando McClain ILB- Yes, He doesnt fit a big need right now with Davis playing so well, but Davis is over 30 and if we can pair McClain up with DJ we instantly have one of the best ILB tandems in the league. I think at this point McClain or Haden would be BPA, and if we sign Marshall, McClain is clearly the right choice.

2. Maurkice Pouncey C- I havent seen many reports on him but I believe he won the Rimington trophy, awarded to the nations top center. My guess is he'll be available in the early to mid 2nd. If he slides a bit we can nab him with our original pick, but we might have to trad up to get him, which I'd be for given our need.

3. Tyson Aluala DE- He plays the 3-4 end spot at Cal so he def has the experience of the position. Also has the production to go with it. 7.5 sacks and 10 TFL. Shows he can penetrate which is what our line needs.


4. Eric Decker WR- He's got great size, great hands, can run after the catch, but has average timed speed. Remind you of another receiver we drafted in the 4th round a few years ago? Decker had his season cut short with a knee injury, he should fall to us here in the 4th with those concerns. If he can come back to full strength we have another weapon for our offense.

6. Chris Marinelli OT- Good size at 6'7 310, he's from Stanford and was part of the line that helped Gerhart become a serious Heisman contender. We have little depth at OT aside from Polumbus.


*Wrap up*
If these moves fall for us, we will have a greatly improved interior line. This should definitely help us build on what we started this season. I would like to see Orton back and see if he can lead us, no matter how this season finishes. With an improved line and another weapon he might look even better next year. I dont think we go QB in this draft simply because we have a QB in Orton and someone to develop with Brandstater. No need to add another one. This draft also addresses the whole defense except OLB, and S, which I feel good about, so long as we resign Doom, because of the young depth we have at both positions as well. Jolly should give us an upgrade at NT. Aluala Will give us another guy to rotate in at DE. This is the one position which I didnt put as much effort in as I think we will need. We still lack a dominant and disruptive force on the line. I really liked Allen Bailey as a DE, but he's going back for another year. But realistically you wont be able to fill every need and DE might have to be put on the back burner unless Aluala becomes great.

I still like this offseason because it strengthens our trenches on both sides alot. This game is won and lost in the trenches, and the consistently really good teams, Colts, Pats, Eagles, Steelers, Giants, all have very good OL and DL.

Couple things here. Do you think the rest of denver FA's are going to be let loose? Prater Barrett etc.

I am ok with the Orton deal. I really would only give him the RFA. to see how he plays out in year two. 27 million over three is a bit of cash. How much bonus do you see him getting out of it and how much garunteed?

Jolly i think his value is going to be pretty high considering the need of NT through out the leauge. Just really depending on how much he gets.

I am happy with the rest of your singings. Also give you credit for the origonal pick of Amano

Id be ok with a training camp battle of Kickers

I like McClain. cant hate on it

Pouncey at this point shows that he might struggle against big tackles in the NFL. Cody owned him and his brother in the SEC CG.

im 50 50 on Tyson. Just really depends on who is there at that point if i would like the pick.,

The big thing i like about your draft though is that most of the guys you selected have been Good to decent for more then one year. I hate one year wonders.

i give it a B

[Uptown]

Kuper is our 2nd best offensive line player behind Clady, why in the hell wouldn't we want to sign him long term? Also in HIS mock we had already resigned DOOM, Orton, and Marshall, which other of our players would you resign before Kuper? Scheffler is as good as gone we don't use him like he should be used and we aren't going to pay him because he just isn't what our coach looks for in a TE people need to understand this and start getting over it now.

Kuper is not that good he is ok and 4yr 18 million would be absurd for a subpar player. Kuper is too small for a run blocking guard and he does not posess the quickness and strength to make up for his size.

Kuper benched less than Moreno at the combine so enough said about his strength here. As seen in games when kuper is matched up against bigger D lineman he gets dominated. Our interior line is suffering and its not only the old center or back up left guard.

Why waste money on a guard that niether fits the run blocking scheme nor has proven to be one of the better lineman? For that kind of money I'd rather try FA.

[JayJack]

I love your mock draft, FA pickups, and the re-signs! I think McD will take his chances on losing Kuper and start Seth Olsen in place of him, @least let him compete! Believe it or not, I think McD will keep Scheffler and release Graham or ask him to take a paycut, then pay Scheffler about a 4yr $12.5mill!

McD's playcalling may be predictable but his choice in personel isn't!

[The Experience]

Thanks to everyone with the feedback.

There seems to be mixed opinions about Kuper. I feel that his play hasnt been as good this year because Harris went down with his inuries and he isnt used to playing with Polumbus. I think Clady had a similar regression because Hamilton just wasnt the same player as last year. Continuity is a very underrated component of OL play.

There are other comments about the availability of the FA I listed. This is true, Marshall will prob be the most difficult to sign away from Car. However, I see him as an upgrade over Goodman. Having Andre Goodman as our 3rd corner would give us some of the best depth in the league.

Jolly I think will be allowed to walk. GB has invested in their DL through the draft recently with Raji and Harrell and I dont think they want to tie up too much money in their DL with their OL needs.

Amano should be a great pickup, I dont know if Ten would lock him up or not but he definitely represents a big upgrade at LG.

Koch if he is allowed to walk would easily be the best Punter on the FA market. However, Ozzie Newsome is one of the best GM's in the league. He might be able to extend Koch before he becomes available.

I would love to have Sam Koch as our punter. He is terrific. And John Jolly would be a great NT and could be for 5-7 years or so. If we could sign both these guys it would be great and Amano would be good as well but I really like Pouncey and I am not ready to give up on Kuper so we will see. But I definitely like this mock

CP 2 You

CP

[housemouse]

So as of now this is actually my favorite mock..

[CTM]

Thanks to everyone with the feedback.

There seems to be mixed opinions about Kuper. I feel that his play hasnt been as good this year because Harris went down with his inuries and he isnt used to playing with Polumbus. I think Clady had a similar regression because Hamilton just wasnt the same player as last year. Continuity is a very underrated component of OL play.

There are other comments about the availability of the FA I listed. This is true, Marshall will prob be the most difficult to sign away from Car. However, I see him as an upgrade over Goodman. Having Andre Goodman as our 3rd corner would give us some of the best depth in the league.

Jolly I think will be allowed to walk. GB has invested in their DL through the draft recently with Raji and Harrell and I dont think they want to tie up too much money in their DL with their OL needs.

Amano should be a great pickup, I dont know if Ten would lock him up or not but he definitely represents a big upgrade at LG.

Koch if he is allowed to walk would easily be the best Punter on the FA market. However, Ozzie Newsome is one of the best GM's in the league. He might be able to extend Koch before he becomes available.

[broncofansd]

I think Kuper is still a great player at Guard. He has played very well this year dispite a injury.


He will not go anywhere. He is such a better player than Hochstein , Hamilton , Olsen.

I think drafting a Great Center or Guard is vital for Denver this draft.

[The Experience]

Kuper is our 2nd best offensive line player behind Clady, why in the hell wouldn't we want to sign him long term? Also in HIS mock we had already resigned DOOM, Orton, and Marshall, which other of our players would you resign before Kuper? Scheffler is as good as gone we don't use him like he should be used and we aren't going to pay him because he just isn't what our coach looks for in a TE people need to understand this and start getting over it now.

Ryan Harris is our 2nd best O-line player. Kuper had a great year last year but hasnt played all that well this year.

I like this draft. McClain is a beast and Pouncey has one of the coolest names ever but is also a great pick. I like Decker too.

[broncofansd]

I would agree with housemouse - that if we did draft Rolando McClain and Maurkice Pouncey that I would be very happy with those 2 Picks only.



Although I want the Broncos to draft a big Dlineman - McClain is probably one of the Safest picks in the draft. He is big , fast and strong and would be a great player for years!!!


As far as Pouncey I think he would be a Major Upgrade at Center and would give Denver a Stud at Center for years!!!

[housemouse]

I like it a lot.

You managed to sure up our o-line, and at the same time draft an amazingly talented ILB.

Pouncey is my favorite player in the draft, but I'm not sure if he'll be available at our 2nd.

But all in all, extremely good.

[Thors Hammer]

I really like your draft, especially the later pick ups of Decker and Marinelli.

As for free agency, I don't think the Packers let Jolly hit the open market. I'm not sure who the other free agent CBs are this year, but Marshall won't come cheap. Amano would be a good pick up because I believe he also played some center for Tennessee as well.

[Ringo56]

No way would I would resign kuper for 4 year 18 million. We have better players to sign and there are better free agents

Kuper is our 2nd best offensive line player behind Clady, why in the hell wouldn't we want to sign him long term? Also in HIS mock we had already resigned DOOM, Orton, and Marshall, which other of our players would you resign before Kuper? Scheffler is as good as gone we don't use him like he should be used and we aren't going to pay him because he just isn't what our coach looks for in a TE people need to understand this and start getting over it now.