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  • Ringo56's Mock Offseason

    Read it and let me know what you think:go:

    Needs: DE, CB, OC, OG, WR

    Resigning:

    QB Kyle Orton- Has been a good option for us and I think he deserves at least another year to prove what he can do, and to absorb McD’s playbook. Contract 3 years around 15 million about 6-8 million guarantied.

    OLB Elvis Dumervil- NFL sack leader enough said. He also loves the Broncos and wants to stay in Denver so I say lets get his deal done fast. Contract 5 years around 48 million about 24-26 million guarantied.

    OG Chris Kuper- I think his play has been hurt by the absence of Ryan Harris and the poor play of Casey Weigmann. Contract 4 years around 12 million about 4-6 million guarantied, I don’t think 3 million a year is out of line considering we gave Casey over 2 million a year in his extension and he is older then dirt.

    OL Russ Hochstein- He will stay for cheap because he knows that we are his best shot of getting any playing time. 1-2 years around the vet minimum.

    DE Ryan McBean- He has been good against the run not what we need for an every down DE but he will be good in a rotation and should stay cheap 2-3 year deal.

    DE LaKevin Smith- Was hurt all year should stay cheap as no team will be offering him more then we will to retain him 2-3 year deal.

    UFA Additions:

    DE Richard Seymour- He is the stud 3-4 DE that we NEED and a dominant one at that. He is our splash this off season and should command a 4 years around 28 million about 15 guarantied. Will he get away from the Raiders, maybe not but until they sign him to an extension or place their franchise tag on him he is fair game.

    WR Malcom Floyd- He is 6’5” 225 and has the hops to be a good possession WR and help in the redzone he also is a good deep threat for a big guy and has never averaged less the 13.9 yards per catch over a season. He has had his best year yet and should help make up for the loss of Brandon Marshall. Not sure what he is going to command contact wise, but I think he is one of the better FA wide receivers available and I think he would be a good addition. I think a 2-3 year contract would be great.

    Trades:

    Marshall traded to Baltimore for a 1st and a 3rd.
    Scheffler traded to Tenneessee or Washington or Cleveland for a 4th.
    I thought about a Hillis trade to Washington or Houston, but I don’t think he has any value. We might get a 7th rounder for him if Shanny calls but I don’t see it happening.

    Draft:

    1st(From Chi): CB Joe Haden, Florida
    5’10” 190lb. 57 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 forced fumble, and 4 int. Haden the shut down corner from Florida is super talented and is the top of this years CB class. He has everything that you look for in a CB and has played at a very high level in the SEC. Haden is the total package from coverage to run support he is exactly what we need to bring youth to our defensive backfield.

    1st(From Balt): WR Damian Williams, USC
    6’1” 195lb. 70 Receptions for 1,010 yards and 6 td’s, and 2 PR for td’s. Williams is a great route runner and plays in that USC pro style offense so he has a head start over all of the college wr’s who play in goofy offenses that don’t translate into the NFL.

    2nd: DE/DT Arthur Jones, Syracuse
    Jones has been a great team leader and play maker for Syracuse for several years now and was voted team captain this season. Unfortunately for him he hurt his knee and missed the last 3 games of his final season, that injury is the only reason we have a shot at him or else he would have been a 1st round lock. At 6’4” 295 Jones is the perfect size to play DE in the 3-4.

    3rd: OG Mike Johnson, Alabama
    Has started every game since his sophomore year at OG and OT the 6’6” 305lb. Johnson has been a standby on that great offensive in Alabama. He may not fall this far, but with all of the talented underclassmen entering the draft we could see a lot of very talented guys fall. If Mike Johnson is not available here then I would go with OG Jon Asamoah, Illinois or OG John Jerry, Ole Miss.

    3rd(From Balt): OC J.D. Walton, Baylor
    The 6’3” 305lb. Walton has started every game at Baylor since his sophomore year. He has been a stud for Baylor for several years now and is a force on the interior of the Baylor offensive line. He helped lead Baylor to set school records for most rushing yards, and fewest sacks allowed. Walton also shared team’s Best Offensive Lineman honor with tackle Jason Smith who was selected #2 overall in last years draft.

    4th(From Ten): CB Alterraun Verner, UCLA
    At 5’11” 180lb. Verner had 69 tackles, 5 ints, and 1 pick 6 on the year. He is a great person and very smart UCLA math major with honors I can’t wait to see him focus on football as his only job and just absorb the game. Best yet he would get to learn from Champ who is one of the best corners to ever play the game.

    4th: OLB/DE O’Brien Schofield, Wisconsin
    The 6’3” 250lb. Schofield has been an absolute beast this season for the badgers racking up 62 tackles, 12 sacks, and 24.5 TFL. He has a none stop motor and a nose for the backfield. I live in WI so I have seen him play many times this season and he is just a pass rushing freak.

    6th: NT Kade Weston, Georgia
    6’5” 325lb. 23 tackles, 4.5 TFL, 2 sacks, and several QB hurries. Kade Weston has been starting in a rotation for Georgia since his freshman year in the SEC and has put up decent numbers while playing the DT position. He is a good late round project and most likely will be placed on the PS to learn from coach Nunnely.

    7th: TE Caz Piurowski, Florida State
    He is 6’7” 270lb. and a very good blocker, and was a bigger option in the passing game this season until he went out with a torn ACL after week 5. If you ask his coaches about him they say he is a team leader and extremely bright. If he hadn’t gotten hurt he would have been a much higher pick maybe even rising up into the 3rd round range. I always see people trading Schef away but then never adding a young TE to the roster, Graham could be gone soon as well and we would be hurting with only Quinn.
    Last edited by Ringo56; 01-06-2010, 10:20 AM.

  • #2
    Good work. I disagree with a few moves, but the draft looks real solid.

    I'd rather us keep Marshall, obviously wishful thinking, but Idk if Williams is the way to replace him. I just dont trust USC receivers. My own bias I guess lol.

    I'd rather us grab Danario Alexander, maybe a round later.

    But I like the rest of the draft, full of solid picks. Verner is a nice under the radar pick.

    I doubt Seymour hits the market, Oakland will slap a franchise tag on him.
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    • #3
      Ok, first off, there is something I absolutely have to say.

      The Browns will not be trading for Marshall nor will they be trading for Scheffler.

      The Browns have a lot of needs - true. However, the Browns have 11 draft picks to fix those needs. The Browns already have a cheap TE that played very well this year in Evan Moore. So, why not be smart and give him more playing time next year? That would be a smart idea would it not? The kid showed he had skills this year - now what can he do with a full season?

      Secondly, the "Marshall" issue. The Browns had Braylon Edwards. Edwards was a diva just like Marshall. Cleveland wasn't big enough for both Edwards and Lebron James' egos. It won't be big enough for Marshall and James' egos. Furthermore, the Browns have two young recievers to build around in MoMass and Brian Robiskie. If the Browns do get another reciever it will be a 3rd down reciever. That is something that the team is missing. If you "insist" on it being a Broncos reciever that the Browns pick up it would be somebody in the mold of Stokely. Not Marshall.

      Ok, enough of my rant.
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      The real Browns are in Baltimore, see?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Charlie Brown View Post
        Ok, first off, there is something I absolutely have to say.

        The Browns will not be trading for Marshall nor will they be trading for Scheffler.

        The Browns have a lot of needs - true. However, the Browns have 11 draft picks to fix those needs. The Browns already have a cheap TE that played very well this year in Evan Moore. So, why not be smart and give him more playing time next year? That would be a smart idea would it not? The kid showed he had skills this year - now what can he do with a full season?

        Secondly, the "Marshall" issue. The Browns had Braylon Edwards. Edwards was a diva just like Marshall. Cleveland wasn't big enough for both Edwards and Lebron James' egos. It won't be big enough for Marshall and James' egos. Furthermore, the Browns have two young recievers to build around in MoMass and Brian Robiskie. If the Browns do get another reciever it will be a 3rd down reciever. That is something that the team is missing. If you "insist" on it being a Broncos reciever that the Browns pick up it would be somebody in the mold of Stokely. Not Marshall.

        Ok, enough of my rant.
        your rant is ill timed...he has marshall going to baltimore not the brows and he has sheffler going to the brows as a thrid option so a backburner option at that...

        i dont think the OP ever thought clevland outside of a backend chance for you guys....




        Ringo----good work and good mock, im at work so i dont have time for a full breakdown but i will try later!!!!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CTM View Post
          Good work. I disagree with a few moves, but the draft looks real solid.

          I'd rather us keep Marshall, obviously wishful thinking, but Idk if Williams is the way to replace him. I just dont trust USC receivers. My own bias I guess lol.

          I'd rather us grab Danario Alexander, maybe a round later.

          But I like the rest of the draft, full of solid picks. Verner is a nice under the radar pick.

          I doubt Seymour hits the market, Oakland will slap a franchise tag on him.

          im curious why people like this guy for us so much...he has suspect hands, runs terrible routes, is sloppy between the 20's at getting seperation....and plays in a wack offense...he doesnt fit here at all in any way shape or form....


          our best shots at replacing marshall are dez bryant, brandon lafell, arrelious benn, erick decker or taylor price....

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          • #6
            I think that this draft doesn't address our major issues.

            Running the Ball and Stopping the Run.

            I do think that we do need a corner to groom for the future, I don't see that happening this draft cycle.

            This is what I would like to see with our 5 picks with your trades:

            1. ILB Rolando McClain Alab- Stud
            1. DT Terrance Cody Alab- Beast and true NT
            2. RB Ryan Mathews Fresno- Buck is not getting any younger and Hillis is gone.
            3. WR Dezmon Briscoe Kansas- Looking towards the future at WR sans BMarsh
            4. OG Vlad Ducasse Mass- We need a bigger body in the run game.

            If we get Richard Seymour or even Marcus Spears in F/A, we will be a much improved defense with the addition of McClain and Cody. I think we will add more than just one Olineman during the draft, but I am pretty sure that we will add a RB and a WR also. I would like to see Noel Devine drafted, because we desperately need an additional KR/PR to get Royal more time and healthier for WR.
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            • #7
              I actually really like your draft - no-pseudo-fan


              1. ILB Rolando McClain Alab- Stud
              1. DT Terrance Cody Alab- Beast and true NT
              2. RB Ryan Mathews Fresno- Buck is not getting any younger and Hillis is gone.
              3. WR Dezmon Briscoe Kansas- Looking towards the future at WR sans BMarsh
              4. OG Vlad Ducasse Mass- We need a bigger body in the run game.




              Ryan Mathews is a bigger , tougher runner than Knowshon. I really like him as a NFL RB.

              McClain and Cody would do wonders to helping the run Defense.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by CTM View Post
                Good work. I disagree with a few moves, but the draft looks real solid.

                I'd rather us keep Marshall, obviously wishful thinking, but Idk if Williams is the way to replace him. I just dont trust USC receivers. My own bias I guess lol.

                I'd rather us grab Danario Alexander, maybe a round later.

                But I like the rest of the draft, full of solid picks. Verner is a nice under the radar pick.

                I doubt Seymour hits the market, Oakland will slap a franchise tag on him.
                Having a bias against a player because a few players from the school he went to are busts is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

                Danario Alexander is a VERY POOR fit for this team, Ele already went over why but I just need to agree with him in hope that people take a second look at the player and not his system overrated stats. He is nothing higher then a mid 3rd rounder and people will only draft him for his size and not is production or skill.

                I said right in my mock that I didn't think Seymour would make it out od oakland but untill they slap the tag on him I can hope.

                Thanks for the comments

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Charlie Brown View Post
                  Ok, first off, there is something I absolutely have to say.

                  The Browns will not be trading for Marshall nor will they be trading for Scheffler.

                  The Browns have a lot of needs - true. However, the Browns have 11 draft picks to fix those needs. The Browns already have a cheap TE that played very well this year in Evan Moore. So, why not be smart and give him more playing time next year? That would be a smart idea would it not? The kid showed he had skills this year - now what can he do with a full season?

                  Secondly, the "Marshall" issue. The Browns had Braylon Edwards. Edwards was a diva just like Marshall. Cleveland wasn't big enough for both Edwards and Lebron James' egos. It won't be big enough for Marshall and James' egos. Furthermore, the Browns have two young recievers to build around in MoMass and Brian Robiskie. If the Browns do get another reciever it will be a 3rd down reciever. That is something that the team is missing. If you "insist" on it being a Broncos reciever that the Browns pick up it would be somebody in the mold of Stokely. Not Marshall.

                  Ok, enough of my rant.
                  You need to chill with your Browns rage man I never said anything about Marshall to the browns and the fact is your TE situation sucks and there is no way you can homer that away... Maybe try a new thread instead of craping in mine thanks.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ringo56 View Post
                    Having a bias against a player because a few players from the school he went to are busts is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

                    Danario Alexander is a VERY POOR fit for this team, Ele already went over why but I just need to agree with him in hope that people take a second look at the player and not his system overrated stats. He is nothing higher then a mid 3rd rounder and people will only draft him for his size and not is production or skill.

                    I said right in my mock that I didn't think Seymour would make it out od oakland but untill they slap the tag on him I can hope.

                    Thanks for the comments
                    So I shouldnt question the surroundings of the ultra talented Trojans but I should question the 1600 yards that Alexander put up?

                    I think Alexander could be a great fit for us, even if we keep Marshall. Give him a year to learn, Just like we gave Marshall his first year, and he could turn into an outstanding receiver opposite of BMarsh.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by no-pseudo-fan View Post
                      I think that this draft doesn't address our major issues.

                      Running the Ball and Stopping the Run.

                      I do think that we do need a corner to groom for the future, I don't see that happening this draft cycle.

                      This is what I would like to see with our 5 picks with your trades:

                      1. ILB Rolando McClain Alab- Stud
                      1. DT Terrance Cody Alab- Beast and true NT
                      2. RB Ryan Mathews Fresno- Buck is not getting any younger and Hillis is gone.
                      3. WR Dezmon Briscoe Kansas- Looking towards the future at WR sans BMarsh
                      4. OG Vlad Ducasse Mass- We need a bigger body in the run game.

                      If we get Richard Seymour or even Marcus Spears in F/A, we will be a much improved defense with the addition of McClain and Cody. I think we will add more than just one Olineman during the draft, but I am pretty sure that we will add a RB and a WR also. I would like to see Noel Devine drafted, because we desperately need an additional KR/PR to get Royal more time and healthier for WR.
                      McClain is a stud I never ever said he wasn't, but I have him going before our pick and I think he would be waisted in the 3-4 since we have DJ who is better suited to play the jack ILB.

                      Cody is FAT LAZY BLOB who doesn't is so overrated. He won't go till the real late 1st to mid 2 round. I just don't see any team willing to take a chance on a guy who is to fat and lazy to keep his weight down like his coaches asked him to. He also plays with very poor leverage and will be exposed in the NFL when he get lifted and blown off the line by centers and guards.

                      I don't think your understand that a different RB won't help us run the ball new OG and OC and improved play by Kuper and Clady and Harris is what will help us. That being said I like Mathews but I don't think RB is an issue unless it is a small cop back like Devine/Spiller/Best.

                      Brisco is a poor WR who stats are inflated by that goofy college system that he plays in. He has bad hands, is slow, and runs very poor routes.

                      I think we will stick with 305-315lb linemen like NE has always used. But if we jump on board with the big boys the Ducasse and Jerry would be fine with me as long as we don't over draft them.

                      Maybe you should start your own thread with your draft to get comments, thanks for the comments

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CTM View Post
                        So I shouldnt question the surroundings of the ultra talented Trojans but I should question the 1600 yards that Alexander put up?

                        I think Alexander could be a great fit for us, even if we keep Marshall. Give him a year to learn, Just like we gave Marshall his first year, and he could turn into an outstanding receiver opposite of BMarsh.
                        So by your logic Case Keenum is going to be the greatest QB of all time because he put up huge numbers in that system that they run in Houston 700 attempts 70 comp% 5600 yards and 44 tds??

                        Alexander had 43 more receptions then Williams and only got 700 more yards with the same average around 14-15 per catch. Plus USC runs a pro style offense which translates into the NFL much better then a goofy spread/gun thing that alot of colleges are runningm and williams is also a factor in the return game.

                        All I said what rate the player not use your USC bias against him because a few busts came from his school.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ringo56 View Post
                          So by your logic Case Keenum is going to be the greatest QB of all time because he put up huge numbers in that system that they run in Houston 700 attempts 70 comp% 5600 yards and 44 tds??

                          Alexander had 43 more receptions then Williams and only got 700 more yards with the same average around 14-15 per catch. Plus USC runs a pro style offense which translates into the NFL much better then a goofy spread/gun thing that alot of colleges are runningm and williams is also a factor in the return game.

                          All I said what rate the player not use your USC bias against him because a few busts came from his school.
                          But then again, USC produced Rey Malu, Polamalu, Palmer, steve smith, and many more. They have had a few busts though, I'll admit. Bush is a gamebreaker and lineart hasn't really gotten much of a chance behind Kurt.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DenBKumar View Post
                            But then again, USC produced Rey Malu, Polamalu, Palmer, steve smith, and many more. They have had a few busts though, I'll admit. Bush is a gamebreaker and lineart hasn't really gotten much of a chance behind Kurt.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by elevation INC View Post
                              im curious why people like this guy for us so much...he has suspect hands, runs terrible routes, is sloppy between the 20's at getting seperation....and plays in a wack offense...he doesnt fit here at all in any way shape or form....


                              our best shots at replacing marshall are dez bryant, brandon lafell, arrelious benn, erick decker or taylor price....
                              I couldn't agree more. Alexander is a playmaker, but he is really inconsistent. With a guy like Orton, who doesn't necessarily put it in the right place every throw, we need guys with consistent hands. Even a guy like Dezmon Briscoe would be more appealing to me, as he has all the tools, but some say he's not all there upstairs, which could be a red flag for McD. I really wish Greg Little from UNC would come out, as I really like the way he plays football at the WR position.
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