Rolando McClain

[RaiderFanSD]

Overrated!

[ItalianBronco]

What is smoke and mirrors about smash mouth Big Ten football???

The Big Ten produces some of the best O linemen in college football.

If anything with all of the goofy spread offenses in the Big 12 they should be called smoke and mirrors, but they are producing top of the line players in the drat every year. I think people put way to much weight in the conference of play instead of just evaluating the player no matter where they come from.

I see that you are from The Cheese State...I'm a HUGGGGE U of M fan...They are my team for College...I know alot about Big-Ten Football...They wwere a "Smash Mouth" confrence...Not anymore.

Rich Rod Runs the spread 90% Shotgun
Northwestern Runs the "No Huddle" spread 99% Shotgun
Ohio State Runs the spread 85% shotgun
MSU D'antonio spread
Purdue Spread
Hoosiers spread
Penn State Spread
IllIni Bad but Spread


Ill give you Iowa but they still Run a "kinda spread" ,Wisconsin Only "Smash Mouth" team left, Minni...

My point is that position by position...(skilled) The SEC is hamds down better from top to Bottom...

[Ringo56]

I agree...I'm just saying Big-ten or Pac-Ten...

Big East
ACC
alot of confrence's have talent...It's just alot of smoke an mirrors in those 2 Ten schools...

What is smoke and mirrors about smash mouth Big Ten football???

The Big Ten produces some of the best O linemen in college football.

If anything with all of the goofy spread offenses in the Big 12 they should be called smoke and mirrors, but they are producing top of the line players in the drat every year. I think people put way to much weight in the conference of play instead of just evaluating the player no matter where they come from.

[ItalianBronco]

Sean Weatherspoon from Mizzou is a late first round or 2nd round talent. Who to me is better then spikes but might fall due to size. It helps if their from the SEC of course but if a guy can play at a high level and sees to be a real talent it really doesnt matter. I mean Ray Lewis came from Miami U, thats not a SEC school and he went in the 1st round.

I agree...I'm just saying Big-ten or Pac-Ten...

Big East
ACC
alot of confrence's have talent...It's just alot of smoke an mirrors in those 2 Ten schools...

[Hoserman117]

Don't you think it's fair to say that those numbers are what they are because DJ is called upon to work in coverage more than any of our LB's, especially Davis?

Yeah but that doesn't negate the idea that DJ was still very bad in coverage. All of our LB's were. We need to target a LB that can play in coverage in the later rounds.

[PhillyBronco24]

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Isn't it funny that all the GOOD ILB's play for a GREAT defense?

Brandon Spikes is not the "Flavor of the Month" or else he wouldn't be a second rounder...

Spikes does play in the SEC...But name another ILB in the 1st- 3rd rounds that is NOT from the SEC...Can't! Playing in the SEC does matter...The talent level is sooooooooooooo much greater it has to. Playing ILB and being from the VOLS like Mayo, or ILB from BAMA like Ryans, or ILB from Auburn Dansby...The talent level is heads and shoulders above everyone else...

Just take a look at some of the great ILB's and look at the schools they came from, Look at CB, look at DT, look at S...TON of SEC...

Out of just this class in the Big-Ten or Pac-10 WHO ARE THE TOP PROSPECTS?

Taylor Mays late first
Brandon Graham-Late first early second

Sean Weatherspoon from Mizzou is a late first round or 2nd round talent. Who to me is better then spikes but might fall due to size. It helps if their from the SEC of course but if a guy can play at a high level and sees to be a real talent it really doesnt matter. I mean Ray Lewis came from Miami U, thats not a SEC school and he went in the 1st round.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

What If...

Dan Williams, and other DE's are takin? We cant move down...

You want to take Odrick with a top 10 pick...


NO WAY!!!!!!

You need a TOP player at his position...I'll say this again, it took Denver 20 years to draft this high...We better not miss...Taking McClain Number _____Fill in the blank would be safe...

McClain's only come around every_______Patrick Willis...Ray Lewis...


If you dont take Dez at 10...You better take McClain, Odrick I like...but at like 20-28 range not top 10...He's also almost 2 full years older then McClain...DE in football Not name Smith or White NFL expected to last almost 3 full seasons less then an ILB...Just saying thats almost a 5 year switch.

If Williams isn't there at 10 you move to a BPA that also fills a need. Joe Haden would be a very good pick for us here seeing as how Champ and Goodman are the high side of 30 and the only other CB we have is Smith who failed to impress last year. Right now, I think one of the last positions we need is ILB. I'd rather take another OLB/pass rusher than to draft an ILB at 10/11.

[BF_forever]

I never said that no team needs a ILB, that list was just to show that almost every team has a solid/above average player/players already playing ILB which means that ILB's will fall on draft day.

Here are the teams who I think have the most need for a ILB

Farrior- Steelers
Stephen Tulloch- Titans
Cooper/Siler- Chargers
Larry Foote- Lions
Jeremiah Trotter- Eagles
London Fletcher- Washington
Barrett Ruud- Bucaneers

Ruud is a great player for the Bucs, they wont be replacing him for while

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Andra Davis actually outplayed DJ this year. DJ's best aspect was blitzing with 3.5 sacks, 3 hits, and 10 pressures. He got the Pro Bowl reserve nod because the Pro Bowl is mostly a popularity contest, but Andra Davis was better in run support and pass coverage.

DJ allowed a 78% completion percentage his way for 546 yards and 2 TD's
Andra allowed a 82% completion percentage for 149 yards and 0 TD's

Don't you think it's fair to say that those numbers are what they are because DJ is called upon to work in coverage more than any of our LB's, especially Davis?

[eabort]

So you think we should go BPA, because there is just no way that you can say that an ILB is so high of a need that we should use the 10/11 pick on one.

If you say BPA as justification for McClain, I am not sure I could argue with that because he is good, but he isn't a better need/value option then Haden, Williams, Bradford, or Bryant. If our pick comes up and those 4 are gone and McClain is there then so be it. But if I was the GM I would try to trade down, as I just don't see the need for an ILB with how good DJ and Davis played last year.

I agree that DJ and Davis did a good job last year and I agree that ILB is not our top need. So much of our top need will be determined through FA. There are huge questions that need to be answered like do we re-sign Marshall? Do we sign a DE or two? Do we sign a CB? As these questions are answered things will come into focus.

I do think it is a good policy to draft BPA early and fill needs later. There needs to be a balance of BPA with need and if you can find a BPA at an area of need then it's a win-win. I think the hardest decision will be if D. Williams, D. Bryant and R. McClain are still on the board when we pick. We are in a good position at 10/11 and I'm confident we will get a great player. I would not trade down if McClain is the only one from our lists that is on the board. I would send the pick up with R. McClain's name on the card within the first minute. Then I would focus my attention on the next move. I think we agree in more areas than not.

[Ringo56]

I think you are overstating your case. You make good points as to what Denver needs next year but to say ILB is a need only after your list is misguided. To pick an interior O-line, speed back, or back-up TE at 10-11 is way too high. I can see them using FA and middle rounds to solidify these needs.

It looks like Elvis will be re-signed so this shouldn't be an issue (We'll know soon). If Marshall isn't in the future plans then Dez Bryant has to be high on the list. This leaves your list looking like this:

1. DE
2. CB
3. WR (Maybe the #1 need if Marshall is not with the Broncos next year)
4. ILB

If Marshall is in the future plans and Dez Bryant is gone then Your looking at Golden Tate, A. Benn, or D. Thomas which is again too high at 10/11. Joe Haden is the only CB worth the 10/11 pick. So, if Bryant and Haden are gone you now have to choose between DE and ILB. In the 34 the D-line is primarily used to occupy blockers and keep the backers free to make plays.

It will be an interesting selection if any combination of these players are on the board when we pick: D. Williams, R. McClain, J. Haden, and D. Bryant. I don't think it will be a bad pick with any of these players and I certainly think McClain will be strongly considered if he is on the board.

So you think we should go BPA, because there is just no way that you can say that an ILB is so high of a need that we should use the 10/11 pick on one.

If you say BPA as justification for McClain, I am not sure I could argue with that because he is good, but he isn't a better need/value option then Haden, Williams, Bradford, or Bryant. If our pick comes up and those 4 are gone and McClain is there then so be it. But if I was the GM I would try to trade down, as I just don't see the need for an ILB with how good DJ and Davis played last year.

[eabort]

A TED ILB is the last thing we need.

The value of a ILB just doesn't justify the 10/11 selection.

We need 2 starting DE's
1 or 2 young CB's
An OC
An OG
A Speedy RB
If we lose Marshall we need a big WR
If we lose Sheffler we need a TE
If we lose Doom we need a DE/OLB

After all of those then maybe a ILB, but it is way down on our needs.

DJ and Davis played lights out all year long and Davis has a few years left in the tank.

I think you are overstating your case. You make good points as to what Denver needs next year but to say ILB is a need only after your list is misguided. To pick an interior O-line, speed back, or back-up TE at 10-11 is way too high. I can see them using FA and middle rounds to solidify these needs.

It looks like Elvis will be re-signed so this shouldn't be an issue (We'll know soon). If Marshall isn't in the future plans then Dez Bryant has to be high on the list. This leaves your list looking like this:

1. DE
2. CB
3. WR (Maybe the #1 need if Marshall is not with the Broncos next year)
4. ILB

If Marshall is in the future plans and Dez Bryant is gone then Your looking at Golden Tate, A. Benn, or D. Thomas which is again too high at 10/11. Joe Haden is the only CB worth the 10/11 pick. So, if Bryant and Haden are gone you now have to choose between DE and ILB. In the 34 the D-line is primarily used to occupy blockers and keep the backers free to make plays.

It will be an interesting selection if any combination of these players are on the board when we pick: D. Williams, R. McClain, J. Haden, and D. Bryant. I don't think it will be a bad pick with any of these players and I certainly think McClain will be strongly considered if he is on the board.

[Hoserman117]

Andra Davis actually outplayed DJ this year. DJ's best aspect was blitzing with 3.5 sacks, 3 hits, and 10 pressures. He got the Pro Bowl reserve nod because the Pro Bowl is mostly a popularity contest, but Andra Davis was better in run support and pass coverage.

DJ allowed a 78% completion percentage his way for 546 yards and 2 TD's
Andra allowed a 82% completion percentage for 149 yards and 0 TD's

[Ringo56]

I think you are making a valid point, but the Eagles definitely need a new ILB. Trotter is only used on running downs now, and is in the twilight of his career.

I never said that no team needs a ILB, that list was just to show that almost every team has a solid/above average player/players already playing ILB which means that ILB's will fall on draft day.

Here are the teams who I think have the most need for a ILB

Farrior- Steelers
Stephen Tulloch- Titans
Cooper/Siler- Chargers
Larry Foote- Lions
Jeremiah Trotter- Eagles
London Fletcher- Washington
Barrett Ruud- Bucaneers

[Ringo56]

SEC
FS Berry*
CB Haden*
LB McClain*
DT Williams
DE Dunlap*
WR LaFell*
DT Cody
OC Pouncey*
LB Spikes

QB Clausen- Ind
QB Bradford- Big 12
DT Suh- Big 12
DT McCoy- Big 12
OT Okung- Big 12
OT Campbell- ACC
OT Davis- Big East
DE Morgan- ACC
WR Bryant- Big 12
RB Spiller- ACC
OT Bulaga- Big Ten
DT Odrick- Big Ten
DT Price- PAC 10
DE Pierre-Paul- Big East
OT Williams- Big 12
LB Weatherspoon- Big 12
FS Thomas- Big 12
WR Benn- Big Ten
TE Gresham- Big 12
OT Brown- PAC 10
WR Williams- PAC 10
DE Graham- Big Ten
OG Iupati- WAC
DE Hughes- Mtn. West
SS Mays- PAC 10
CB Warren- Big Ten
DE Griffen- PAC 10
DE Wootton- Big Ten
DT Houston- Big 12
CB Wilson- WAC
RB Best- PAC 10
RB Dwyer- ACC

I appears to me that the Big 12 is the class act of the draft.