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  • Frachise Player designation deadline today...

    Who will we designate? Are we possibly in negotiations with one or both of our stars (Dumervil & Marshall)? If not, who do we tag?
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  • #2
    No need to Franchise anyone. No CBA means no salary cap, which mean any player up for FA with less than 6 years of service becomes a restricted free agent. Highest RFA tenders run about 2 million compared to Franchise tag that run about 7-10 million for WR-OLB.

    Denver doesn't have any eligible UFA worthy of Franchise Tag.

    1st and 3rd picks is still as good as 2 1st round picks not in same draft.

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    • #3
      We won't even use it most likely

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      • #4
        I would think even though Doom is a RFA, if no progress has been made towards a new contract and Denver truly does want to keep him, they would almost have to consider slapping the tag on him. If he hits the market as an RFA I think he will get quite a few looks even with a 1 and 3 price tag.

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        • #5
          I think that the FO is gambling that there will not be a new CBA signed by March
          5th; which will save the team money and/or give the team good compensation for it's tendered RFAs. If no tag is used and a new CBA is signed then the team
          will be behind the 8 ball and will be forced to get new deals in place with the players that they really want to keep by March 5th.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Wilhite View Post
            I think that the FO is gambling that there will not be a new CBA signed by March
            5th; which will save the team money and/or give the team good compensation for it's tendered UFAs. If no tag is used and a new CBA is signed then the team
            will be behind the 8 ball and will be forced to get new deals in place with the players that they really want to keep by March 5th.
            Im sure all 32 teams are certain a new CBA wont be reached by March 5th.

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            • #7
              Were going to lose dumervil if we don't franchise him or if he doesn't sign an extension before 3/5. Count on it
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              • #8
                Originally posted by BeardedWonder View Post
                Were going to lose dumervil if we don't franchise him or if he doesn't sign an extension before 3/5. Count on it
                I'd hate to see Doom leave but a 1st and a 3rd would soften the blow greatly.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bipolar_Broncos View Post
                  I would think even though Doom is a RFA, if no progress has been made towards a new contract and Denver truly does want to keep him, they would almost have to consider slapping the tag on him. If he hits the market as an RFA I think he will get quite a few looks even with a 1 and 3 price tag.
                  If any team is willing to give up a 1st and 3rd for either DOOM or Marshall I say see ya!

                  This draft is one of the deepest in the past decade. DOOM is great and I would hate to lose him but he cannot play agains the run and I am confident that a guy like Brandon Graham would provide a good enough pass rush.

                  Marshall will not draw a 1st and 3rd just because of his off-field issues, but if he does we would then have the picks to draft a replacement and fill our holes on the o-line and d-line!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by KWHIT97 View Post
                    If any team is willing to give up a 1st and 3rd for either DOOM or Marshall I say see ya!

                    This draft is one of the deepest in the past decade. DOOM is great and I would hate to lose him but he cannot play agains the run and I am confident that a guy like Brandon Graham would provide a good enough pass rush.

                    Marshall will not draw a 1st and 3rd just because of his off-field issues, but if he does we would then have the picks to draft a replacement and fill our holes on the o-line and d-line!

                    That sounds like the Patriot-way, no? I think you would take Graham & a 3rd rounder for Doom. Just think.... you get a player (with potential to have more upside) plus a 3rd round pick.... AND save a ton of money, b/c DOOM is on the verge of getting paid! Tough decisions indeed.

                    I realize DOOM is one-dimensional. But that's the way it goes these days. SPECIALISTS. DOOM was one of (if not the best) pass-rusher last year. I'm OK with the lack of versatility as long as you terrorrize the opposing QB.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by fraguela09 View Post
                      That sounds like the Patriot-way, no? I think you would take Graham & a 3rd rounder for Doom. Just think.... you get a player (with potential to have more upside) plus a 3rd round pick.... AND save a ton of money, b/c DOOM is on the verge of getting paid! Tough decisions indeed.

                      I realize DOOM is one-dimensional. But that's the way it goes these days. SPECIALISTS. DOOM was one of (if not the best) pass-rusher last year. I'm OK with the lack of versatility as long as you terrorrize the opposing QB.
                      Yeah well what happens when you aren't terrorizing the opposing QB and you're still getting gashed against the run?

                      Then you get games like our 20-19 loss against the Raiders, the 44-24 loss against the Chiefs, the 27-17 loss against the Redskins, the 32-3 loss against the Chargers, etc.

                      That being said, I still wouldn't trade him for a 1st and a 3rd. 1st and a 2nd is a done deal to me though.

                      I'd grab Sergio Kindle or Brandon Graham (I know everybody wants Graham cause of the hype but I'm still not buying it) and then get the best DE available at our 2nd round pick.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KWHIT97 View Post
                        If any team is willing to give up a 1st and 3rd for either DOOM or Marshall I say see ya!

                        This draft is one of the deepest in the past decade. DOOM is great and I would hate to lose him but he cannot play agains the run and I am confident that a guy like Brandon Graham would provide a good enough pass rush.

                        Marshall will not draw a 1st and 3rd just because of his off-field issues, but if he does we would then have the picks to draft a replacement and fill our holes on the o-line and d-line!
                        I would much rather stick with the known commodity in Dumervil. Graham might turn out to be a good pass rusher but here is a link where Mayock explains that he doesnt fit in the Pats style defense, which is what we run.

                        NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock was asked on his conference call if he views Michigan defensive end Brandon Graham as a fit for the Patriots’ system at outside linebacker in the 3-4 defense.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
                          Yeah well what happens when you aren't terrorizing the opposing QB and you're still getting gashed against the run?

                          Then you get games like our 20-19 loss against the Raiders, the 44-24 loss against the Chiefs, the 27-17 loss against the Redskins, the 32-3 loss against the Chargers, etc.

                          That being said, I still wouldn't trade him for a 1st and a 3rd. 1st and a 2nd is a done deal to me though.

                          I'd grab Sergio Kindle or Brandon Graham (I know everybody wants Graham cause of the hype but I'm still not buying it) and then get the best DE available at our 2nd round pick.
                          I think Graham could follow in hs alum footsteps, like Harris & Woodley. I think he's going to be REALLY good. I like Sergio as well. I would be content with either, plus another high pick, to fill Doom's shoes.

                          I think getting younger & cheaper, and taking a 2-for-1, for DEN is almost too enticing. With the situation we're in, you almost have to jump at that chance- despite the fact that DOOM is a great player.

                          The turning point, to me, would be how we feel DOOM is handling the transition. I agree, if DOOM is really lacking in coverage and against the run, then use that as motivation to make this move.

                          BUT, I wouldn't jump at the chance. What if you don't get either Sergio or Graham (settle for that dude from TCU). I mean, DOOM is now a leader and with all the constant changing on DEF... I would prefer he stays. BUT, again.... this should be based on our OVERALL evaluation.

                          We have so many holes/needs, that we should jump at the chance to get younger, cheaper.... look for quantity.... Or else risk paying premium for a 1-dimensional player (and then we're DOOMed).

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bipolar_Broncos View Post
                            I would much rather stick with the known commodity in Dumervil. Graham might turn out to be a good pass rusher but here is a link where Mayock explains that he doesnt fit in the Pats style defense, which is what we run.

                            http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...pats-prototype
                            McDaniels has said what we do is entirely different from what New England does on defense. It was in an interview he did a while ago that was posted in the GE. Unless you think he's flat out lying about that then I don't think that breakdown of Graham applies.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by fraguela09 View Post
                              I think Graham could follow in hs alum footsteps, like Harris & Woodley. I think he's going to be REALLY good. I like Sergio as well. I would be content with either, plus another high pick, to fill Doom's shoes.

                              I think getting younger & cheaper, and taking a 2-for-1, for DEN is almost too enticing. With the situation we're in, you almost have to jump at that chance- despite the fact that DOOM is a great player.

                              The turning point, to me, would be how we feel DOOM is handling the transition. I agree, if DOOM is really lacking in coverage and against the run, then use that as motivation to make this move.

                              BUT, I wouldn't jump at the chance. What if you don't get either Sergio or Graham (settle for that dude from TCU). I mean, DOOM is now a leader and with all the constant changing on DEF... I would prefer he stays. BUT, again.... this should be based on our OVERALL evaluation.

                              We have so many holes/needs, that we should jump at the chance to get younger, cheaper.... look for quantity.... Or else risk paying premium for a 1-dimensional player (and then we're DOOMed).
                              If we miss out on Doom and Kindle I think I would take Iupati or Pouncey with our extra 1st and then pick up Terry Hughes in the 2nd (He's the dude from TCU )

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