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  • Hoserman117
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    Originally posted by jgod654 View Post
    Didnt we draft Phonz to play Nickelback?

    My point was. Using a first to draft a backup is just as bad with DBs as with OTs. In such a scenario you go with the best player. Okung.

    And if he turns out to be the next Ryan Clady - then just trade the original for a heap of picks
    We drafted Phonz to be a starter. He just didn't play that well last year so he's most likely a nickel back this year.

    And it's a very different situation. All of our starters in the secondary last year were over 30. Clady and Harris are very young, we don't need another rookie there.

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  • jgod654
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    Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
    Sorry didn't see Berry.

    And Thomas would not be backup-backup safety. Worst case scenario he splits time between backup to McBath and plays Nickel Back.

    Mayock has Thomas ahead of Berry because he sees where the NFL is going in the future which is going to require teams to have a ball hawking center fielder that can cover receivers one on one, take TE's out of the game, and still play great zone. Mayock generally knows what he's talking about and he's watched these guys way more than all of us combined have so I'm inclined to lean his way.

    He had Gerald McCoy over Suh before anybody else did and they called him crazy, and now a good number of people are going that direction.
    Didnt we draft Phonz to play Nickelback?

    My point was. Using a first to draft a backup is just as bad with DBs as with OTs. In such a scenario you go with the best player. Okung.

    And if he turns out to be the next Ryan Clady - then just trade the original for a heap of picks

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  • Hoserman117
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    Originally posted by jgod654 View Post
    Berry already being on the list I guess its Thomas then :-)

    So, if I get this right. In the insane scenario that Russel Okung drops to 11, we pass on him and take Earl Thomas to be backup-backup safety behind Dawkins, Hill, McBath and maybe Bruton instead?

    Not buying that.

    I would do it with Berry because in my book he falls into the must-grab-if-available category. But not Thomas.
    Sorry didn't see Berry.

    And Thomas would not be backup-backup safety. Worst case scenario he splits time between backup to McBath and plays Nickel Back.

    Mayock has Thomas ahead of Berry because he sees where the NFL is going in the future which is going to require teams to have a ball hawking center fielder that can cover receivers one on one, take TE's out of the game, and still play great zone. Mayock generally knows what he's talking about and he's watched these guys way more than all of us combined have so I'm inclined to lean his way.

    He had Gerald McCoy over Suh before anybody else did and they called him crazy, and now a good number of people are going that direction.

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  • Den615
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    Originally posted by jgod654 View Post
    BTW - why take out Spiller? You must admit that him and Moreno would be a fantastic combination. Kindof the Bronco version of Tomlinson & Sproles.

    It will be a lot of money to tie up in RBs but still...
    Trust me, I would LOVE to have Moreno and Spiller together. They compliment each other perfectly. I just think it's too big of an investment in one position, and we have greater needs to be addressed.

    I would like us to add a speed compliment to Moreno at some point, and there are some very intriguing prospects outside of the first round.

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  • jgod654
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    Originally posted by Den615 View Post
    I'd take Okung, Bulaga, T. Williams,and Spiller out for sure. I'd probably take McClain and Bradford off as well.

    We have two very good OT's, we won't take another one in the 1st. We may need insurance for Harris due to injuries, but it makes much more sense to draft that player in the 3rd round. I don't want to spend a 1st round pick on a back up.

    With Orton and Quinn I really don't see us drafting a QB at all this year either.
    BTW - why take out Spiller? You must admit that him and Moreno would be a fantastic combination. Kindof the Bronco version of Tomlinson & Sproles.

    It will be a lot of money to tie up in RBs but still...

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  • Den615
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    Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
    Pouncey is way too big of a reach at 11. He'd be one of the highest drafted centers in the history of the draft. Centers aren't THAT useful. I'd probably flip some crazy **** if we took Pouncey over Odrick or somebody like that.
    I think Pouncey goes to Pittsburgh at 18 if we don't take him. But I agree, I would much rather trade down 5 picks or so to take him.

    Mayock is really high on the kid though, says he grades out better than Nick Mangold (who was the last truly elite center to come out).

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  • Hoserman117
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    Originally posted by Den615 View Post
    Jared Odrick for sure (I think he is our pick at 11), Dan Williams as well (Jamal could be good, but he can't play forever), and maybe even Maurkice Pouncey. Pouncey would be a reach by 5 or 6 picks, but thats how desperate we are for a center who can come in and start day one.
    Pouncey is way too big of a reach at 11. He'd be one of the highest drafted centers in the history of the draft. Centers aren't THAT useful. I'd probably flip some crazy **** if we took Pouncey over Odrick or somebody like that.

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  • jgod654
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    Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
    I think if you take out all the OT's you stick in Williams, Odrick, and Berry/Thomas.
    Berry already being on the list I guess its Thomas then :-)

    So, if I get this right. In the insane scenario that Russel Okung drops to 11, we pass on him and take Earl Thomas to be backup-backup safety behind Dawkins, Hill, McBath and maybe Bruton instead?

    Not buying that.

    I would do it with Berry because in my book he falls into the must-grab-if-available category. But not Thomas.

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  • Den615
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    Originally posted by jgod654 View Post
    Fair enough. Won't argue that anymore.

    So, if you take the three OTs out. Who will you put in?
    Jared Odrick for sure (I think he is our pick at 11), Dan Williams as well (Jamal could be good, but he can't play forever), and maybe even Maurkice Pouncey. Pouncey would be a reach by 5 or 6 picks, but thats how desperate we are for a center who can come in and start day one.

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  • Hoserman117
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    I think if you take out all the OT's you stick in Williams, Odrick, and Berry/Thomas.

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  • jgod654
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    Originally posted by Den615 View Post
    I guarantee we will pass on any and all of the OT's available at 11. Harris will be 100% by June, and McDaniels is a big supporter of his (he's said he loves having two book end tackles many times this offseason).

    If we moved them to guard it would be a wasted pick, you never intentionally draft a guard that early in the 1st round.

    We will draft a high upside OG/OT this year... possibly as high as the 2nd round with Vladimir Ducasse, but there is absolutely no way we take one @ 11.



    I wouldn't be so sure. McD wanted Quinn last year, and was reportedly willing to give up a 1st round pick (#18 overall) to get him. Bradford has a 0% chance of falling to 11, but if he did I think we would be more likely to trade out of the pick than to take him. Although I certainly wouldn't be upset if we did pull the trigger on Sam.
    Fair enough. Won't argue that anymore.

    So, if you take the three OTs out. Who will you put in?

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  • Hoserman117
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    Originally posted by jgod654 View Post
    You seriously think we will pass on Okung, Bulaga and T. Williams if they are available at 11? Harris was quite injured last year and the backup stunk it up.
    Besides we need a guard and either of those could be plugged in there for a year.

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    Oh, and if Bradford falls McD will take him. I don't care who he brought in. That is just a steal and we lack a potential franchise QB.
    It depends who's there, but yeah I think we'd pass on them. I don't think we're in the position to take the BPA regardless of position. We can take BPA on the defensive side of the ball, and BPA on offensive skill positions, but you can't pass up a really good defensive player for a really really good OT when you already have an elite one and a near pro bowler.

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  • Den615
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    Originally posted by jgod654 View Post
    You seriously think we will pass on Okung, Bulaga and T. Williams if they are available at 11? Harris was quite injured last year and the backup stunk it up.
    Besides we need a guard and either of those could be plugged in there for a year.
    I guarantee we will pass on any and all of the OT's available at 11. Harris will be 100% by June, and McDaniels is a big supporter of his (he's said he loves having two book end tackles many times this offseason).

    If we moved them to guard it would be a wasted pick, you never intentionally draft a guard that early in the 1st round.

    We will draft a high upside OG/OT this year... possibly as high as the 2nd round with Vladimir Ducasse, but there is absolutely no way we take one @ 11.

    Oh, and if Bradford falls McD will take him. I don't care who he brought in. That is just a steal and we lack a potential franchise QB.
    I wouldn't be so sure. McD wanted Quinn last year, and was reportedly willing to give up a 1st round pick (#18 overall) to get him. Bradford has a 0% chance of falling to 11, but if he did I think we would be more likely to trade out of the pick than to take him. Although I certainly wouldn't be upset if we did pull the trigger on Sam.
    Last edited by Den615; 03-28-2010, 12:50 PM.

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  • jgod654
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    Originally posted by Den615 View Post
    I'd take Okung, Bulaga, T. Williams,and Spiller out for sure. I'd probably take McClain and Bradford off as well.

    We have two very good OT's, we won't take another one in the 1st. We may need insurance for Harris due to injuries, but it makes much more sense to draft that player in the 3rd round. I don't want to spend a 1st round pick on a back up.

    With Orton and Quinn I really don't see us drafting a QB at all this year either.
    You seriously think we will pass on Okung, Bulaga and T. Williams if they are available at 11? Harris was quite injured last year and the backup stunk it up.
    Besides we need a guard and either of those could be plugged in there for a year.

    Edit:
    Oh, and if Bradford falls McD will take him. I don't care who he brought in. That is just a steal and we lack a potential franchise QB.
    Last edited by jgod654; 03-28-2010, 12:43 PM.

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  • jgod654
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    Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
    Well Trent Williams has expressed his desire to play LT, and he's not starting over Clady, so he's out. I'd replace him with Williams or Odrick.

    Then I take McClain out cause I really don't like him that much. I'll replace him with whoever is left between Williams and Odrick.

    Take out all the OT's really.
    Ha! Don't think for a minute that McD will care if Trent Williams has a "Desire" to play LT. He will play wherever McD wants him to.

    And LTs get paid quite a lot - I would say that im LT material if I was being drafted as well

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