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  • jc13
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    Originally posted by d-bronx42 View Post
    Im all for drafting McClain. He would give us probably the most formidable LB core in the entire NFL.

    -DOOM - DJ - McClain - Ayers

    Looks sexy doesn't it...?
    even sexier the seatles

    arron curry , leroy hill , lofa bread

    if we get McClain i think that DJ williams will be the odd man out in a few years.

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  • Caliraiderhater
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    Originally posted by halfback View Post
    your missing the point of my post....if you are a team that needs an every down LB then mclain is your man, but with us having dj as our every down backer, taking a 2 down thumper with the 11th pick is not a good value IMO
    McClain in not just a 2 down thumper. I'll admit he isn't the BEST LB in this draft when it comes to coverage, but its not considered a weakness of his IMO. Sure if we have a 3rd and 12 yards to go situation we might throw in a covergae LB such as Woodyard. BUT other than that, he will be on the field way more than what you are assuming.

    Its common sense you don't win the awards and gain the accopmplishments he has as a LB in the SEC (IMO the best conference in college football) if you are a 2 down thumper.

    2007 Freshmen All-Southeastern Conference selection.
    2008 First-team All-SEC selection
    2009 Lambert Award (best collegiate linebacker)
    2009 Butkus Award (1 is given out to each of the best linebackers in High School/College and the NFL)
    2009 SEC Defensive Player of the Year
    1st team All-American

    Sorry but that just doesn't happen as a "2 down thumper"

    Not to mention according to our coaching staff he might be the smartest football player at his level they have ever seen. In McDaniels latest presser he said he is at a level where other rookies couldn't even think of being. Would you really want to take that guy off the field when its an important 3rd down? I know I wouldn't.

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  • Hadez
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    I would like to add in this order

    Iupati - mark my words this guy will a very good interior lineman for a long time. He is just what we need to get over our short yardage issues. Mean, nasty, full of pride and loyalty...HATES to lose any blocking battle...the physical tools to excel at anything a guard is asked to do. Some mocks have him going late in the 1st round but mark my word...he will not go past the Steelers if he gets that far. If we are at 16 or 17 I personally would not be surprised to see the Steelers leapfrog us to take him depending on who else is available at that point.

    McClain - I agree with everything in the article. I think McClain can easily be our next Al Wilson...maybe even better. My only worry about McClain is he will not be on the board at 11.

    I think both of those two players are going to be pro-bowlers assuming they are not stuck on a raider-like team. I consider them both low-risk high reward. The only reason I pick Iupati over McClain is because I consider them BOTH pro-bowl talent and we need a crazy good OG more then a crazy good ILB.

    Pouncey - Some mocks have him going as high as 15-18. I know mocks are not all that. I think he is good but I do not think he is pro-bowl good. He is better then most imo and we need a center. If we trade down I do not see him still being available unless we only drop 2-3 spots...unless we get a real good deal to drop down I would not chance it.

    Dan Williams - Not a need at this point but a good player worth taking a look at imo.

    Williams or Pouncey...about the same to me actually...I just put Pouncey first because we need him more.

    Absolutely would not draft

    Dez Bryant - I love exciting offense. If I was the GM or Coach the Broncos would be a much different team today. Still we are going in a certain direction and quite honestly Dez does not fit that direction.


    If we picked McClain or Iupati (even at 11) I would be stoked.

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  • Caliraiderhater
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    IMO it should be Bryant, McClain, trade down or bust!

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  • UJJ
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    Originally posted by NorCalBronco7 View Post
    That just sounds so good!

    I realize LBs are the most plentiful postion in the NFL, but being a Denver fan I have always thought LBs to be our face of our defense. I want our LBs to to scare the other teams. Mcclains the final piece to the puzzle.

    Also, drafting a center at 11 is way, way, way, to high. The postional value of a C is far less than most position on both offense and defense.
    One thing to consider is that Spikes is also a candidate and is probably undervalued when you consider that he played last year injured. Going into last year I would have actually had him higher than McClain, though I also like McClain.

    When youre drafting guys, you have to be careful about putting too much weight on one year when theres a huge body of work for a player.

    I actually think McClain is better at tracking a ball carrier and making a tackle but I think Spikes is better at rushing the passer and also at anticipating the pass. Spikes was awesome in college at getting his hand on the ball. He had his share of INTs (even a few were TDs) and he was also good at deflecting passes when rushing the passer. Spikes had a groin injury last year and it seemed to slow him down a little.

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  • NorCalBronco7
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    Originally posted by d-bronx42 View Post
    Im all for drafting McClain. He would give us probably the most formidable LB core in the entire NFL.

    -DOOM - DJ - McClain - Ayers

    Looks sexy doesn't it...?
    That just sounds so good!

    I realize LBs are the most plentiful postion in the NFL, but being a Denver fan I have always thought LBs to be our face of our defense. I want our LBs to to scare the other teams. Mcclains the final piece to the puzzle.

    Also, drafting a center at 11 is way, way, way, to high. The postional value of a C is far less than most position on both offense and defense.

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  • d-bronx42
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    Im all for drafting McClain. He would give us probably the most formidable LB core in the entire NFL.

    -DOOM - DJ - McClain - Ayers

    Looks sexy doesn't it...?

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  • Ravage!!!
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    Originally posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    That doesn't bother me as much as the fact he's not as big as Florida had him listed at. Either way, he's a lot less likely to get slapped around at the LOS than, well, you know....

    Personally, I would rather take Odrick or Bryant, then take a quality Center in the 2nd or 3rd. If Pouncey is higher on McD's draft board than those two he would hopefully trade back.
    I would much rather approach taking a center in the 2nd as well.

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  • Broncos Rex
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    This article make some great points about McClain and our need to get physical on both sides of the ball. He also made a good point about picking Dez and only accomplishing staying status quo.

    However, I think we can draft Dez and then address our front sevens physicality in rounds 2-4 e.g. Duccase, Walton, Spikes, Gerhart etc.

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  • UJJ
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    Originally posted by MFJ View Post
    This part of the article is encouraging for all the McClain fans (I'm one of them), however, my optimism is guarded....Seems more like posturing? Hurry up Thursday night!


    Krieger- "But McClain is the guy they need most. Not since Al Wilson have the Broncos had a fire-breathing leader in the middle of their defense. They've already opened the spot by releasing Andra Davis, who started beside D.J. Williams at inside linebacker last season. McDaniels has worked with Alabama coach Nick Saban and knows how much responsibility McClain was given to run a defense of pro-style complexity.

    It is as if McClain were built to the specifications McDan- iels keeps talking about — smart, tough, fast, strong. If the Broncos want to stop getting manhandled, a 6-4, 258- pound inside linebacker is an excellent place to start.

    "I'm not sure I've met a young man as intelligent relative to the game of football (as) Rolando McClain," McDaniels said. "He's obviously been well-coached, but even if you're coached well, it takes another side to get to where he's at. He's obviously done a lot of listening, studying and understands the game at a level where most kids that come in as rookies will never be at."
    He said the exact same thing about Tebow's intelligence.

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  • JayP
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    McClain will go in the top 15, so picking him at 11 is far from a reach or too high for him.
    The most expensive ILB tandem? Who cares if we're tops in the league in run D. On top of that, look at the $ we have invested in our QBs, WRs, TEs (once Scheff's gone). We are well below average for salary in those positions which makes the ILB money not a factor IMO.

    I don't think you have to worry about OT or OLB at 11. We're set at OT with the Ryans and after spending a 1st on Ayers last year, we're not going that route again. It will be McClain, Dez, or a trade down with the 49ers at 17 to get Pouncey or Iupati before the Stillers get them at 18.
    Last edited by JayP; 04-17-2010, 11:07 AM.

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  • Hoserman117
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    I'm kinda warming up to the idea of adding McClain, but I'd still rather see us go in a different direction. The amount of money we'd have invested in our two ILB's would be tops in the league and I really don't think McClain is worth the 11th overall pick.

    That being said, I'd be okay with it, but other selections would make me much happier.

    Just no OT or OLB and I think I'll be appeased at #11

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  • JayP
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    Ahrum, "My main goal is to have 3 D. Williams on the team." It's a damn shame that we don't have two right now. RIP Darrent.

    On to brighter topics. I'm not huge on Pouncey either, but if he falls to us in the early 2nd, I say take him. I've seen his stock falling lately and we could see him there. Not likely, but possible. He has the tools to be a pro-bowler, but lacks experience. Like someone else posted, he played in a shotgun 99% of the time, didn't have to make OL calls for protection, and allowed so few sacks cuz Timmy was running around like a maniac.
    If we trade down in the first, pick up Iupati over Pouncey all day.

    McClain has to be our #11 pick. He's the only player that will be available to us that isn't a risk and with the $$$ at 11, we can't afford a risk with all of our holes.

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  • Al Wilson 4 Mayor
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    Originally posted by Ravage!!! View Post
    EXACTLy the player I was thinking whom I would rather have. Pouncey NEVER snapped to a QB who was under center. Thats bothersome to me. THat kind of timing and work takes time and experience to learn.
    That doesn't bother me as much as the fact he's not as big as Florida had him listed at. Either way, he's a lot less likely to get slapped around at the LOS than, well, you know....

    Personally, I would rather take Odrick or Bryant, then take a quality Center in the 2nd or 3rd. If Pouncey is higher on McD's draft board than those two he would hopefully trade back.

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  • Ravage!!!
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    Originally posted by Ahrum View Post
    I'm not too huge on Pouncey, either, but it's not for that reason. I'm concerned about his worth as a 1st round center... rarely are centers taken in the first round, and there are generally ALWAYS good interior lineman deeper in the draft at a much better value.

    Dating back to 1990, Here are all the Centers drafted in the first round
    1) LA Rams - 1990 - Bern Brostek (BUST)
    2) Cleveland Browns - 1993 - Steve Everitt (BUST)
    3) New England Patriots - 1999 - Damien Woody (Pro-Bowl, fell off face of earth due to injury.)
    4) Cleveland Browns - 2003 - Jeff Faine (Pro-Bowl Alternate, traded after 3 years)
    5) Seattle Seahawks - 2005 - Chris Spencer (Non-pro bowl starter)
    6) New York Jets - 2006 - Nick Mangold (Pro-bowl)
    7) Cleveland Browns - 2009 - Alex Mack (Too early to tell, did start)

    For some reason, i just think people are jumping the gun on the Center position. From that list, (Discounting Mack) only 33% of the Centers drafted in round 1 became Pro-Bowl starters.

    Consindering there are 2 starters to every pro-bowl, and 1990-2009 totals 20 Pro-Bowls, meaning 40 starters, a 1st round center has only started 3 times (Damien Woody once, Nick Mangold twice),

    Out of 40 starters, only 3 of them have been first round centers, meaning that 92.5% of the time, the Pro-Bowl center was selected after the first round.
    Great points. If we are talking about a guy that is considered to be the best center to come out of college in the last decade......then I can see the upside and reasoning for taking him. But he's not even the lone consensus of being the best Center in this draft.

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