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    There's some talk of trading down with Phily and getting another 2nd or 3rd but Phily pick around # 24 I believe.

    Is it really worth missing out on a stud receiver like Bryant or quality 3-4 DE like Odrick just for the sake of getting another pick, espeically if its just another 3rd round player.

    You also have to be very careful. If we go down to 24 then these will be gone -

    Dan Williams
    Bryant
    Odrick
    Pouncey

    The main players we are targeting.

    Even picking up a 2nd is OK but we still miss out on the elite talent. Huge drop off after Bryant, Odrick and Pouncey IMO

    We have a decent number of picks, maybe we should just get a stud at 11


  • #2
    ayep!

    My last mock i'm writing up has us trading down, just not with Philly.

    :salute!:

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    • #3
      Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
      There's some talk of trading down with Phily and getting another 2nd or 3rd but Phily pick around # 24 I believe.

      Is it really worth missing out on a stud receiver like Bryant or quality 3-4 DE like Odrick just for the sake of getting another pick, espeically if its just another 3rd round player.

      You also have to be very careful. If we go down to 24 then these will be gone -

      Dan Williams
      Bryant
      Odrick
      Pouncey

      The main players we are targeting.

      Even picking up a 2nd is OK but we still miss out on the elite talent. Huge drop off after Bryant, Odrick and Pouncey IMO

      We have a decent number of picks, maybe we should just get a stud at 11

      Disagree, we have a ton of holes to fill, need as many picks as possible. Thats a fair point of missing out on elite talent, but if we can get an extra 2nd in a draft this loaded, you do it. I said all offseason i want to trade down, we agree to disagree. We'll see Thursday soon enough.

      :go:

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      • #4
        There are only two teams I could see us trading with, either with San Francisco for the 17th and 79th overall picks or with New England for the 22nd and 44th overall picks.

        It would cost Philadelphia at least their first and both thirds if not more to move up to the 11th overall spot.

        Right now my gut feeling is we stay and take either Bryant, McClain or Williams.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ERoyal248 View Post
          Disagree, we have a ton of holes to fill, need as many picks as possible. Thats a fair point of missing out on elite talent, but if we can get an extra 2nd in a draft this loaded, you do it. I said all offseason i want to trade down, we agree to disagree. We'll see Thursday soon enough.

          :go:
          Not sure I agree with 'alot' of holes, we need some depth in some areas but the only starters or main contributors I believe are -

          RDE
          WR - To provide a downfield threat
          C
          #2 RB
          K/P R - Maybe

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lancane View Post
            There are only two teams I could see us trading with, either with San Francisco for the 17th and 79th overall picks or with New England for the 22nd and 44th overall picks.

            It would cost Philadelphia at least their first and both thirds if not more to move up to the 11th overall spot.

            Right now my gut feeling is we stay and take either Bryant, McClain or Williams.
            It would annoy me sooooo much if we took McClain at 11.

            I don't mind trading down if it nets us another 2nd and we still get one of our main 4 targets. Thats a very good situation

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
              Not sure I agree with 'alot' of holes, we need some depth in some areas but the only starters or main contributors I believe are -

              RDE
              WR - To provide a downfield threat
              C
              #2 RB
              K/P R - Maybe
              We are in fact a wideout, linebacker, center and guard away from being solid. After that, we should get prospects that could eventually fit those other needs.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lancane View Post
                We are in fact a wideout, linebacker, center and guard away from being solid. After that, we should get prospects that could eventually fit those other needs.
                2 down inside LB - Haggan, Larsen, Woodyard

                LG - Olsen

                RG - Kuper

                You seem to disregard RDE, any reason?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
                  Not sure I agree with 'alot' of holes, we need some depth in some areas but the only starters or main contributors I believe are -

                  RDE
                  WR - To provide a downfield threat
                  C
                  #2 RB
                  K/P R - Maybe
                  I wouldnt say "a ton" of holes, more like we still have some work to do. I'd still like to get an extra 2nd or 3rd depending on the right offer. In a draft this loaded, the more picks the better.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lancane View Post
                    We are in fact a wideout, linebacker, center and guard away from being solid. After that, we should get prospects that could eventually fit those other needs.
                    I could argue with linebacker, I doubt McDaniels would have released Davis had he felt we needed a LB, I think Larsen of Haggan can fill in nicely. To the OP, what's the problem with trading down? If we can trade down and still draft somebody like Pouncey why not? We pay him less and grab an extra pick.

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                    • #11
                      I think we also need some OLB depth. Haggan is playing inside now, so unless we get somebody to start ahead of him, we only have Reid who is coming off of injury and Jarvis Moss as backup OLB's. There are some good guys we could get in the 3rd - 4th round range.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
                        There's some talk of trading down with Phily and getting another 2nd or 3rd but Phily pick around # 24 I believe.
                        Dont be too sure. This FO would be lucky to get a 5th from Philly in exchanging the 11th and 24th.

                        Is it really worth missing out on a stud receiver like Bryant or quality 3-4 DE like Odrick just for the sake of getting another pick, espeically if its just another 3rd round player.
                        Yes. WRs are too risky and if theyre going to trade Marshall, they have no business uisng the 11 pick on an overhyped WR that hasnt played a full season in over a year.

                        You also have to be very careful. If we go down to 24 then these will be gone -

                        Dan Williams
                        Bryant
                        Odrick
                        Pouncey

                        The main players we are targeting.
                        Fair point. You might miss out on Pouncey. Pouncey is really the player of greatest value and need to Denver. If there's one player that they absolutely be committed to taking, its Pouncey. The rest of those names are meh. As a matter of fact, theres a lot of WR value in rounds 2-4, which minimizes risk.



                        Even picking up a 2nd is OK but we still miss out on the elite talent. Huge drop off after Bryant, Odrick and Pouncey IMO
                        You say that now but wait until the FO swaps the 11th for the 24th and Philly's 6th roung pick. Youll probably talk about how it was a good deal.

                        We have a decent number of picks, maybe we should just get a stud at 11

                        Not really.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
                          2 down inside LB - Haggan, Larsen, Woodyard

                          LG - Olsen

                          RG - Kuper

                          You seem to disregard RDE, any reason?
                          Most of the defensive players from last year are returning, the same players that were rated as the 7th overall defense in 2009, we added Williams, Bannan and Green, all three will be playing in rotation with the same athletes that played a major part in our defensive promise last year. So they are indeed a better unit. Adding a defensive end would help, I admit that...but it's not a need to be competitive.

                          Woodyard is not the ideal inside linebacker, Haggan and Larsen are unknowns on the inside, that does not mean that they can not play inside...there is a chance that they can not handle the role itself. So I would say getting depth from the third on, someone who could likely step up as a starter if need be would be smart. On the outside we have Dumvervil, Moss, Ayers and Haggan could return outside if needed.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
                            I think we also need some OLB depth. Haggan is playing inside now, so unless we get somebody to start ahead of him, we only have Reid who is coming off of injury and Jarvis Moss as backup OLB's. There are some good guys we could get in the 3rd - 4th round range.
                            I could see us forgoing an inside linebacker in the upper rounds and using it on someone for outside depth. But I don't feel that either is as important right now compared to wide receiver or the offensive line.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lancane View Post
                              Most of the defensive players from last year are returning, the same players that were rated as the 7th overall defense in 2009, we added Williams, Bannan and Green, all three will be playing in rotation with the same athletes that played a major part in our defensive promise last year. So they are indeed a better unit. Adding a defensive end would help, I admit that...but it's not a need to be competitive.

                              Woodyard is not the ideal inside linebacker, Haggan and Larsen are unknowns on the inside, that does not mean that they can not play inside...there is a chance that they can not handle the role itself. So I would say getting depth from the third on, someone who could likely step up as a starter if need be would be smart. On the outside we have Dumvervil, Moss, Ayers and Haggan could return outside if needed.
                              Our run d D wore out badly from mid-season onwards, mainly due to the DL.

                              Fields done a solid job but Peterson and McBean were awful. Peterson was always going to be cut but McBean is still here.

                              Bannan is a good LDE starter and Green is a great pass rusher on 3rd down but I don't want McBean starting at RDE again

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