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    'Hi, it's me, I'm back...'
    -The Central Scrutinizer
    Frank Zappa, Joe's Garage


    Well, since being on hiatus over the last several months, I have had a chance to watch the Broncos offseason develop and not comment on it, at least not publicly.

    Time to make up for lost time.

    Here is my take on the state of the Broncos nation as it stands right now.

    Coaching:

    'Josh McDaniels, football genius, or arrogant fool?'
    -Woody Paige, Denver Post

    Well, we're gonna find out.

    McDaniels was smart enough to bring in Mike Nolan to straighten out the mess on defense last season, only to show him the door this offseason.

    Now, he has handed off the defense to an unknown in a guy that goes by 'Wink'.

    Your guess to what Don Martindale will be as the new DC is as good as mine, but at least they won't be undergoing a complete philosophical change with the system.

    Here's hoping Wink can keep the defense headed in the right direction.


    QB:

    Make no mistake, Josh McDaniels has bought into Tim Tebow hook, line and sinker, and has every intention for him to the the starting QB he collects his Super Bowl rings with.

    You don't trade back up into the first round to take Tebow without the intent of him becoming your starting QB, and I believe sooner rather than later.

    Kyle Orton is exactly what I thought he was, a two year bail-out guy in the aftermath of the Cutler trade.

    I still say if Brady Quinn shows anything in the preseason, Orton could be traded just as Steve DeBerg once was for Elway, and a team like Buffalo may be interested.

    As a rookie, Tebow will have his own package of plays, and will see some PT, just as he did as a freshman at the U of F.

    Tim Tebow is the ultimate challenge for a QB coach: horrible mechanics and throwing ability that was on full display at the Sr Bowl, but everything else.

    He is everything you would want in an NFL QB prospect...excellent size and athletic ability...incredible work ethic and leadership qualities...a Champions pedigree...I mean, EVERYTHING you would want.

    ...except that nagging visual of him throwing some of the ugliest football's I have ever seen thrown.

    I don't know what is going to happen, but it sure is going to be fun to watch, and the truth is, people that have bet against Tim Tebow in the past have come up on the short end of the stick.

    A player with his ability that wants to be great is a dangerous thing.


    RB:

    Well, a year after the selection of Knowshon Moreno, he has made one thing clear: the Broncos should have drafted Brian Orakpo with the #12 pick of the 2009 draft.

    Correll Buckhalter proved to be a pro's pro and is a solid contributor, and JJ Arrington could be interesting if he is healthy, but Moreno has to be a lot more than he was if he wants to be a legit threat in the running game.

    WR

    Well, sadly, it did not work out with Brandon Marshall after all.

    I have mixed feelings about that...on the one hand, I think a big, fat contract would have solved alot of the issues with #15, but the truth is, I believe the hour glass was turned over on B Marsh's time here the night of the Darrent Williams shooting.

    Marshall knew at least part of the crowd that gunned down Darrent was looking for him that night.

    I suspect he has some incredible feelings of guilt, frustration, anger, etc that really probably could never be resolved, so a change was probably inevitable.

    That said, I am a HUGE believer in Demaryius Thomas' ability.

    I saw the kid do some absolutely freakish things in a game that GT routed the Miami Hurricanes when he was a true freshman.

    To me, it's just a matter of time with this kid.

    Jabar Gafney and Brandon Lloyd will look alot like the receivers we have grown to be accustomed to with the Patriots over the years. If Eddie Royal can re-gain his footing, add Eric Decker to that, and the receiving corps have some talent and ability.

    McKinley seems too frail to become anthing of sustance, and I wonder how long Brandon Stokley can hang on.

    The TE's don't seem to have much importance in McDaniels' offense, so unless Brandon Marquez can develop into some sort of H-back role, I don't expect much there.

    OL:

    The Broncos' O-line was flat out awesome in 2008...and flat out brutal in
    2009.

    So what happened?

    I think McDaniels tried too hard to play the middle of the road in keeping ZBS principles, while trying to introduce a power scheme, and it simply did not work.

    So, the departure of Wiegmann at center was a good move, and if the Broncos braintrust hit on JD Walton, he should be the center of the Broncos for the next dozen years or so anyway.

    I love the selection of Walton, and I believe he will start from day one.

    I was somewhat suprised to see the Broncos step up and sign Kuper long term. I did not think he played particularly well last season, and RG's are the easiest O-linemen to come by, so to me, I am not sure that was a move they needed to make.

    Last years draft selection Seth Olsen should be able to compete for playing time, and veteran Russ Hochstein is a warrior, so the battle for the starting OG position opposite of Kuper will be an interesting one to watch.

    Could the Broncos consider moving Kuper to LG?

    He played there as a rookie, and played very well, particularly against the Williams bros, in the Minnesota game.

    When Zane Beadles was drafted, a smile swept across my face.

    A Utah fan, I have had a chance to watch him play alot, and I think he is an excellent prospect.

    At 6'5"-307, he has the build, smarts and demeanor of another 12 year vet.

    I am not sure where he is going to play, but he will eventually start at RT or LG, in my opinion, and more and more, I believe he ultimately will be the replacement at RT for Ryan Harris, who is too much of a finesse player for a power scheme.

    Clady is a bit of a question mark, health-wise, so you have to wonder if the Broncos will make Flozell an offer for next season.

    Still, I loved the Walton and Beadles selections, and along with Clady, I believe they will be the foundation of an excellent O-line for years to come.

    I fully expected McDaniels to overhaul the O-line this offseason, and he did.


    Next up, Part II, Defense/ST

  • #2
    Part II, Defense

    Under contruction

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    • #3
      Love those Frank Zappa lyrics.

      How about:
      • "Give me your dirty love.
        Surrender to me like the Dragon in your dreams.
        Give me your dirty love ...
        I don't mind your cheap aroma or your Little Bo Peep diploma,
        just put me in a coma with your dirty love."


      ... or something along those lines.

      From Overnight Sensation
      "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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      • #4
        Originally posted by samparnell View Post
        How about:
        • "Give me your dirty love.
          Surrender to me like the Dragon in your dreams.
          Give me your dirty love ...
          I don't mind your cheap aroma or your Little Bo Peep diploma,
          just put me in a coma with your dirty love."


        ... or something along those lines.

        From Overnight Sensation
        Yeah, I went thru a Zappa phase in my High School days.

        Dweezil's tribute tour to his father, Zappa Plays Zappa, is phenomenal.

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        • #5
          Hmmmm... while I feel like it's a good post, all I can think is that



          since you're usually so negative

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          • #6
            I wondered when you were going to be back. I knew you were pretty high on Tebow....and I agree with your opinion of him.

            I think he's going to be special. It may take time, but I believe it will happen.
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            Thank you to my grandfather jetrazor for being a veteran of the armed forces!

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            • #7
              Welcome back. Not sure what you did to get such a long boot, but try and behave.

              I agree with most of your thoughts. I'm still on the McD bandwagon. He's done a lot of the things I would have done, so I'm curious to see if my thought process will be a success or failure.

              The Kuper signing was shocking to me. I didn't think he wouild be resigned long term. The contract isn't too bad, it's Ben Hamilton-ish in today's market, so I'm okay with it. They must have seen something in practice which really makes them believe Kuper is a fit for a power scheme. His value appeared to be in pass pro in a ZBS scheme to me.

              I also agree that Beadles' future is likely at OT. I'm not sure we allow Harris to walk, but if Beadles shows well, or maybe even Kuper (at RT), we will. We can't pay everybody, and I bet Harris would like a crack at starting at LT for somebody.

              In regards to Tebow, obviously he's the future. The future can take some time though. I think he's two years away. I don't really expect him to play this season. I don't think we need a wildcat/short yardage dynamo as bad as some do. Just let Tebow focus on learning to play QB. I'd bring him along like GB did with Aaron Rodgers, and just let Kyle and Brady do what they can for two years.

              I really like the depth McD has built with the team. It's shocking to me to see how he overhauls positions each offseason. He rebuilt a terrible secondary in one offseason, and he stocked it up with talented depth after two offseasons. I assume he's following the same approach with the D-line, and I expect some early picks next draft there. QB is deep. Interior O-line went from a massive weakness to very deep in one draft. WR looks to be restocked. RB, LB, and TE remain solid, but not deep. To me, our weakness is clearly OT depth, Punter, and DE. Defensive End really worries me. Jarvis Green is a situational guy. Bannan is interesting as one starter, but he's not an impact guy. I don't see a starting caliber RDE on our roster, and that scares me because Dumervil is already terrible against the run on that side. I really like our defense, but I think the right side is our achillies heal with an opposing running game.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post
                Welcome back. Not sure what you did to get such a long boot, but try and behave.

                I agree with most of your thoughts. I'm still on the McD bandwagon. He's done a lot of the things I would have done, so I'm curious to see if my thought process will be a success or failure.

                The Kuper signing was shocking to me. I didn't think he wouild be resigned long term. The contract isn't too bad, it's Ben Hamilton-ish in today's market, so I'm okay with it. They must have seen something in practice which really makes them believe Kuper is a fit for a power scheme. His value appeared to be in pass pro in a ZBS scheme to me.

                I also agree that Beadles' future is likely at OT. I'm not sure we allow Harris to walk, but if Beadles shows well, or maybe even Kuper (at RT), we will. We can't pay everybody, and I bet Harris would like a crack at starting at LT for somebody.

                In regards to Tebow, obviously he's the future. The future can take some time though. I think he's two years away. I don't really expect him to play this season. I don't think we need a wildcat/short yardage dynamo as bad as some do. Just let Tebow focus on learning to play QB. I'd bring him along like GB did with Aaron Rodgers, and just let Kyle and Brady do what they can for two years.

                I really like the depth McD has built with the team. It's shocking to me to see how he overhauls positions each offseason. He rebuilt a terrible secondary in one offseason, and he stocked it up with talented depth after two offseasons. I assume he's following the same approach with the D-line, and I expect some early picks next draft there. QB is deep. Interior O-line went from a massive weakness to very deep in one draft. WR looks to be restocked. RB, LB, and TE remain solid, but not deep. To me, our weakness is clearly OT depth, Punter, and DE. Defensive End really worries me. Jarvis Green is a situational guy. Bannan is interesting as one starter, but he's not an impact guy. I don't see a starting caliber RDE on our roster, and that scares me because Dumervil is already terrible against the run on that side. I really like our defense, but I think the right side is our achillies heal with an opposing running game.
                Beadles is going to be very good, I think

                It would appear the offense has been basically been re-built the way McDaniels wants it: Tebow at QB, Moreno at RB, Thomas and Decker at WR, etc

                The question is going to be the defense.

                I think the defense is going to slip some, if not significantly.

                I don't really see Green, Bannan and Williams as upgrades.

                The Broncos passed over one of the great d-line drafts in recent history and added nothing there.

                I still think they basically silly-puddied the secondary last season, and now have done the same with the d-line.

                Age is never a good thing, and can be exposed when it breaks down, and I think you saw that last season.

                The defense just was not the same in the second half of the season.

                Outside of the Chargers, the Division is poor, so the Broncos can probably go 8-8again.

                **Sigh**....what has happened to this franchise?

                It's like groundhog day every season.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MindField View Post
                  I don't really see Green, Bannan and Williams as upgrades.
                  Kenny Peterson was the probably the worst starting 3-4 DE in the NFL last year, and Ryan McBean wasn't too far behind him. There's no doubt that our new D-line will be better than it was in 09 IMO.

                  That being said, I still think McBean has potential as a run plugger. He's really young and has time to learn, so hopefully he'll make the most of it. I think he'll be in heavy rotation with Green opposite of Bannan.

                  As for Jamal Williams, that's just a toss up as to how healthy he is. However we have decent depth at NT if we give Chris Baker some playing time, so that should help him stay fresh.

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                  • #10
                    My mom told me awhile back that Frank Zappa wrote in here high school yearbook "to a really *****en chick". I don't know much about the guy except for the fact that he had a thing for my mom.

                    Sorry for the interruption...please continue.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
                      Kenny Peterson was the probably the worst starting 3-4 DE in the NFL last year, and Ryan McBean wasn't too far behind him. There's no doubt that our new D-line will be better than it was in 09 IMO.

                      That being said, I still think McBean has potential as a run plugger. He's really young and has time to learn, so hopefully he'll make the most of it. I think he'll be in heavy rotation with Green opposite of Bannan.

                      As for Jamal Williams, that's just a toss up as to how healthy he is. However we have decent depth at NT if we give Chris Baker some playing time, so that should help him stay fresh.
                      This is assuming alot.

                      I don't know how you could assume Javon Green is such an improvement over Peterson. Peterson was much better against the run, Green was a designated pass rusher in his best years fror the Patriots.

                      McBean was a really uner-rated DE against the run, and it was glaring when LeKevin Smith had to play when McBean got injured. The run defense suffered immediately.

                      I have high hopes for Williams, but coming off his injury at his age, I will have to see it before I believe it.

                      Our d-line is still bad.

                      Bannan is a great role player, character and worker guy, and I like the fact he is on the team, but he is not a difference maker.


                      ...and ultimately, the question surrounding this franchise is if McDaniels can turn Tim Tebow into Boomer Esiason, or a reasonable facsimile thereof.
                      Last edited by MindField; 06-18-2010, 08:07 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CHARGER$ View Post
                        My mom told me awhile back that Frank Zappa wrote in here high school yearbook "to a really *****en chick". I don't know much about the guy except for the fact that he had a thing for my mom.

                        Sorry for the interruption...please continue.

                        Antelope Valley High School?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MindField View Post
                          This is assuming alot.

                          I don't know how you could assume Javon Green is such an improvement over Peterson. Peterson was much better against the run, Green was a designated pass rusher in his best years fror the Patriots.

                          McBean was a really uner-rated DE against the run, and it was glaring when LeKevin Smith had to play when McBean got injured. The run defense suffered immediately.

                          I have high hopes for Williams, but coming off his injury at his age, I will have to see it before I believe it.

                          Our d-line is still bad.

                          Bannan is a great role player, character and worker guy, and I like the fact he is on the team, but he is not a difference maker.


                          ...and ultimately, the question surrounding this franchise is if McDaniels can turn Tim Tebow into Boomer Esiason, or a reasonable facsimile thereof.
                          Peterson was absolutely terrible against the run, definitely the worst DE in the league, not just the worst 3-4 DE. Jarvis Green was actually better against the run when the Pats did play the 3-4 although he still wasn't good, when they switched to a 4-3 he faired a bit better against the run.

                          McBean was still worse against the run than Green was too. Smith did play better than McBean against the run, almost all of his tackles came at the LoS. I think if Smith gets in better shape (he looked like he was in terrible shape last year) he could make a run at being a starter. Alternatively Baker could be the starter at DE, he's definitely athletic enough and he is a very strong guy.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
                            Peterson was absolutely terrible against the run, definitely the worst DE in the league, not just the worst 3-4 DE. Jarvis Green was actually better against the run when the Pats did play the 3-4 although he still wasn't good, when they switched to a 4-3 he faired a bit better against the run.

                            McBean was still worse against the run than Green was too. Smith did play better than McBean against the run, almost all of his tackles came at the LoS. I think if Smith gets in better shape (he looked like he was in terrible shape last year) he could make a run at being a starter. Alternatively Baker could be the starter at DE, he's definitely athletic enough and he is a very strong guy.
                            I'd like to see what Marcus Thomas could do at DE as well. He is so athletic if he could put it all together he could be a very nice piece.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
                              Peterson was absolutely terrible against the run, definitely the worst DE in the league, not just the worst 3-4 DE. Jarvis Green was actually better against the run when the Pats did play the 3-4 although he still wasn't good, when they switched to a 4-3 he faired a bit better against the run.

                              McBean was still worse against the run than Green was too. Smith did play better than McBean against the run, almost all of his tackles came at the LoS. I think if Smith gets in better shape (he looked like he was in terrible shape last year) he could make a run at being a starter. Alternatively Baker could be the starter at DE, he's definitely athletic enough and he is a very strong guy.
                              The Broncos defense improved dramatically with Peterson and McBean at DE last season, including being very tough against the run.

                              How does that happen if those players are as bad as you say?

                              The answer is, it doesn't.

                              The Broncos defense faded down the stretch when those players started to miss time and their backups played more.

                              The Broncos defense did not get better in spite of those players, as that is actually impossible. If they did not do a competent job, the defense couldn't have been better, but it was, so obviously those players were a bit better than they have been given credit for.

                              Peterson is now gone, but I don't see Javon Green as a huge upgrade.

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