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**InsaneBlaze23** · 12-26-2010, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Ohenhen12345 View Post

Denver cuts Brady Quinn, keeps Orton as Backup for one more year and to provide competition to Tim Tebow.

Trades 1st round pick twice and takes over Miami Dolphin first round pick, which is like the 16th or 17th overall pick, acquires one more 2nd and a 4th round pick

Denver trades two number 7 round picks and a 6th to move up to the 5th round.

Denver switches back to the 43

Sign Haynesworth,resigns Champ Bailey,releases Mcbean, Thomas, Joe Mays, Fields, Hill, Williams

1. Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa
2.Duenta Williams FS North Carolina
2.Greg Jones OLB Michigan State
2.Quan Sturdivant ILB North Carolina
3. DJ Williams TE Arkansas
4.Kendrick Ellis NT Hampton
5.Vai Tua FB Nevada
6. Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech

Offensive Depth

QB- Tebow, Orton, Taylor
RB-Moreno, Buckhalter, White
TE- DJ Williams, Graham, Quinn
WR- Thomas, LLoyd, Gaffney, Royal, Decker
OT-Clady
OG-Kuper
OC- Walton
OG-Beadles
OT-Harris
FB- Tua

Defense

DE- Ayers, Clairborne
DT- Haynesworth, Ellis
DT- Bannan, Vickerson
DE- Dumerville, Hunter
OLB- Williams, Woodyard
ILB-Sturdivant, Haggins
OLB- Haggins, Greg Jones
SS- Williams, Bruton
FS- Dawkins, Mcbath
CB- Goodman, Thompson
CB- Bailey, Cox

Nope, I'll pass on this

**Gbt31** · 12-26-2010, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Ohenhen12345 View Post

Denver cuts Brady Quinn, keeps Orton as Backup for one more year and to provide competition to Tim Tebow.

Trades 1st round pick twice and takes over Miami Dolphin first round pick, which is like the 16th or 17th overall pick, acquires one more 2nd and a 4th round pick

Denver trades two number 7 round picks and a 6th to move up to the 5th round.

Denver switches back to the 43

Sign Haynesworth,resigns Champ Bailey,releases Mcbean, Thomas, Joe Mays, Fields, Hill, Williams

1. Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa
2.Duenta Williams FS North Carolina
2.Greg Jones OLB Michigan State
2.Quan Sturdivant ILB North Carolina
3. DJ Williams TE Arkansas
4.Kendrick Ellis NT Hampton
5.Vai Tua FB Nevada
6. Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech

Offensive Depth

QB- Tebow, Orton, Taylor
RB-Moreno, Buckhalter, White
TE- DJ Williams, Graham, Quinn
WR- Thomas, LLoyd, Gaffney, Royal, Decker
OT-Clady
OG-Kuper
OC- Walton
OG-Beadles
OT-Harris
FB- Tua

Defense

DE- Ayers, Clairborne
DT- Haynesworth, Ellis
DT- Bannan, Vickerson
DE- Dumerville, Hunter
OLB- Williams, Woodyard
ILB-Sturdivant, Haggins
OLB- Haggins, Greg Jones
SS- Williams, Bruton
FS- Dawkins, Mcbath
CB- Goodman, Thompson
CB- Bailey, Cox

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**Rob Letts** · 12-26-2010, 07:35 PM

We do not have a player on our team called "Haggins."

I'd also be interested to see how we will pay for Bailey, Haynesworth, Shanahan, McDaniels and our new Head Coach in one year.

**Cutler2007** · 12-26-2010, 07:37 PM

Ohenhen12345;3603773Denver cuts Brady Quinn, keeps Orton as Backup for one more year and to provide competition to Tim Tebow.

No paying a backup 9MM...just NO.

Trades 1st round pick twice and takes over Miami Dolphin first round pick, which is like the 16th or 17th overall pick, acquires one more 2nd and a 4th round pick

If we drop from #2 to #16 and ONLY pick up a 2nd and 4th, we may need to fire GM mid draft.

Denver trades two number 7 round picks and a 6th to move up to the 5th round.

3 draft picks for someone to hold the clipboard after we get done paying Orton 9MM to do it...you like backup QBs a lot!

Denver switches back to the 43

Sign Haynesworth,resigns Champ Bailey,releases Mcbean, Thomas, Joe Mays, Fields, Hill, Williams

1. Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa
2.Duenta Williams FS North Carolina
2.Greg Jones OLB Michigan State
2.Quan Sturdivant ILB North Carolina
3. DJ Williams TE Arkansas
4.Kendrick Ellis NT Hampton
5.Vai Tua FB Nevada
6. Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech

Offensive Depth

QB- Tebow, Orton, Taylor
RB-Moreno, Buckhalter, White
TE- DJ Williams, Graham, Quinn
WR- Thomas, LLoyd, Gaffney, Royal, Decker
OT-Clady
OG-Kuper
OC- Walton
OG-Beadles
OT-Harris
FB- Tua

Defense

DE- Ayers, Clairborne
DT- Haynesworth, Ellis
DT- Bannan, Vickerson
DE- Dumerville, Hunter
OLB- Williams, Woodyard
ILB-Sturdivant, Haggins
OLB- Haggins, Greg Jones
SS- Williams, Bruton
FS- Dawkins, Mcbath
CB- Goodman, Thompson
CB- Bailey, Cox

I just find it funny you draft Jones before Sturdivant, and even tho both are MLBs Jones (the guy drafted 1st) is a back up

Rather have Cofield than Albert "don't wanna play" Haynesworth

**Ohenhen12345** · 12-26-2010, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Cutler2007 View Post

No paying a backup 9MM...just NO.

If we drop from #2 to #16 and ONLY pick up a 2nd and 4th, we may need to fire GM mid draft.

3 draft picks for someone to hold the clipboard after we get done paying Orton 9MM to do it...you like backup QBs a lot!

I just find it funny you draft Jones before Sturdivant, and even tho both are MLBs Jones (the guy drafted 1st) is a back up

Rather have Cofield than Albert "don't wanna play" Haynesworth

You need a quality backup, so in the hope of saving money, you would rather have Brady Quinn as your backup. Having Orton as backup for one year might be worth it, you never know with Tebow, one of those hits could lead to injury. And yes i like Tyrod as a backup, Orton and Quinn both will be gone in the next couple of years, you need to develop a good backup for Tebow. And plus i am not too sold on Tebow just yet.

Okay instead of Miami, we can trade with Washington, get the 9th pick and either draft Marcell Dareus or Adrian Clairbone. Washington gets their QB, Newton or Mallet, Locker.

The 2nd overall, for the 9th pick and 2nd and maybe a 3rd round pick is fair, might not meet exact ly the draft value chart, but one can't go strictly by the draft position value chart.

**Snarfalicious** · 12-26-2010, 07:42 PM

I have a couple problems with the mock in general...

1.) You suggest keeping Orton as a backup. He is due $9 million next year. I could never justify that on a backup, and especially getting rid of Quinn who is scheduled to make only $700k next year as his salary. The monetary aspect will weigh heavily on the decision with Quinn and Orton and the backup QB job.

2.) The Dolphins no longer have a 2nd round pick since it is going to us. So, you would need to rethink a trade that would net us the pick that we already own (via the Brandon Marshall trade).

3.) You mentioned cutting DJ Williams. He has trade value in this league, and you would never just outright release him. Joe Mays being released is a whole issue in itself. Why get rid of a guy who fits the MLB role to the tee.

4.) I personally do not want a DL that consists of Clayborn and Haynesworth. I'd take one or the other, but not both of them. I really do not want Haynesworth anywhere near this team, but the thought of having that sort of influence in the middle of our DL with a guy like Clayborn who has character issues himself would really have me fretting Haynseworth would rub off on him.

5.) There are so many better options at safety than Deunta Williams. Williams has done nothing but hurt his stock this year, and he is not worthy of a 2nd round pick. Carter, Sands, Moore, and Barron are all way better options at safety, keeping in mind that we need help at both positions.

Overall I just can't get behind it. I loathe Haynesworth and everything he represents. I don't like Clayborn either. You could do much better with that selection, and I don't understand the logic of passing up our top 3 pick to get Clayborn and Sturdivant/Jones. The player we could get at #2 (Perhaps Nick Fairley) would far outweigh those players.

**beastlyskronk** · 12-26-2010, 07:45 PM

Not going to repeat what others have said but Clayborn is not a 4-3 DE on the NFL level, he's either a 3-4 DE or a 4-3 UT.

**THEdraftnik** · 12-26-2010, 07:45 PM

I'm going to be honest this is possibly the worst offseasons I have ever seen. Let's start from the top
We have no reason to cut Quinn
Orton should traded to the highest bidder
If we trade down twice we should get another second and probably two more thirds and a fourth
We only have one seventh round pick
We only have one sixth round pick and you trade that away in your mock, yet you have a sixth in your draft
Marcus Thomas and Joe Mays are a couple of the few bright spots on this defense
You have us switching to a 4/3 defense, yet you draft a 350 pound nosetackle who is best suited in a 3/4
You have HAGGAN at OLB when he plays middle in a 4/3
You have Greg Jones behind HAGGAN on your dept chart
If we draft a defensive end in the first round he sure as he'll better start
I'm going to assume we sign free agent offensive lineman for depth but I would rather draft some.
You misspelled Dumervil
Those are my primary concerns, care to explain your reasoning?

**Rob Letts** · 12-26-2010, 07:50 PM

Orton isn't set to make 9 million next year, he is only guaranteed 2.8 million.

EDIT If Vic Lombardi is to be believed:

http://twitter.com/#!/VicLombardi/status/17971090542301184

**THEdraftnik** · 12-26-2010, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Snarfalicious View Post

5.) There are so many better options at safety than Deunta Williams. Williams has done nothing but hurt his stock this year, and he is not worthy of a 2nd round pick. Carter, Sands, Moore, and Barron are all way better options at safety, keeping in mind that we need help at both positions.
.

I agreed with everything you said except this point. Deunta Williams is alot better than Moore and Sands. You say Williams has dropped his stock, Moore's stock would have dropped rapidly had it not been for his athleticism. Sands will probably be a liability in coverage at the NFL level. Carter/ Barron are the only safeties worth drafting IMO.

**Ohenhen12345** · 12-26-2010, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Snarfalicious View Post

I have a couple problems with the mock in general...

1.) You suggest keeping Orton as a backup. He is due $9 million next year. I could never justify that on a backup, and especially getting rid of Quinn who is scheduled to make only $700k next year as his salary. The monetary aspect will weigh heavily on the decision with Quinn and Orton and the backup QB job.

2.) The Dolphins no longer have a 2nd round pick since it is going to us. So, you would need to rethink a trade that would net us the pick that we already own (via the Brandon Marshall trade).

3.) You mentioned cutting DJ Williams. He has trade value in this league, and you would never just outright release him. Joe Mays being released is a whole issue in itself. Why get rid of a guy who fits the MLB role to the tee.

4.) I personally do not want a DL that consists of Clayborn and Haynesworth. I'd take one or the other, but not both of them. I really do not want Haynesworth anywhere near this team, but the thought of having that sort of influence in the middle of our DL with a guy like Clayborn who has character issues himself would really have me fretting Haynseworth would rub off on him.

5.) There are so many better options at safety than Deunta Williams. Williams has done nothing but hurt his stock this year, and he is not worthy of a 2nd round pick. Carter, Sands, Moore, and Barron are all way better options at safety, keeping in mind that we need help at both positions.

Overall I just can't get behind it. I loathe Haynesworth and everything he represents. I don't like Clayborn either. You could do much better with that selection, and I don't understand the logic of passing up our top 3 pick to get Clayborn and Sturdivant/Jones. The player we could get at #2 (Perhaps Nick Fairley) would far outweigh those players.

Cut Jamal Williams, if you look at the depth Chart, you will see Williams listed. And why should i care about Broncos Monetary situation, we need a good backup, Quinn is not it, Tebow is not a proven comodity just yet, keep Orton and cut Quinn. And i am not huge on Fairley. trade down and still fill the need for a DT in the 4th round, Kenderick Ellis. Sign Haynesworth, let him rush the passer in the 43, manage his production and everybody will be happy, i don't know about you but i would rather have a proven comodity in Haynesworth, over an overhyped SEC NT.

**themadfanatic** · 12-26-2010, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Snarfalicious View Post

I have a couple problems with the mock in general...

1.) You suggest keeping Orton as a backup. He is due $9 million next year. I could never justify that on a backup, and especially getting rid of Quinn who is scheduled to make only $700k next year as his salary. The monetary aspect will weigh heavily on the decision with Quinn and Orton and the backup QB job.

2.) The Dolphins no longer have a 2nd round pick since it is going to us. So, you would need to rethink a trade that would net us the pick that we already own (via the Brandon Marshall trade).

3.) You mentioned cutting DJ Williams. He has trade value in this league, and you would never just outright release him. Joe Mays being released is a whole issue in itself. Why get rid of a guy who fits the MLB role to the tee.

4.) I personally do not want a DL that consists of Clayborn and Haynesworth. I'd take one or the other, but not both of them. I really do not want Haynesworth anywhere near this team, but the thought of having that sort of influence in the middle of our DL with a guy like Clayborn who has character issues himself would really have me fretting Haynseworth would rub off on him.

5.) There are so many better options at safety than Deunta Williams. Williams has done nothing but hurt his stock this year, and he is not worthy of a 2nd round pick. Carter, Sands, Moore, and Barron are all way better options at safety, keeping in mind that we need help at both positions.

Overall I just can't get behind it. I loathe Haynesworth and everything he represents. I don't like Clayborn either. You could do much better with that selection, and I don't understand the logic of passing up our top 3 pick to get Clayborn and Sturdivant/Jones. The player we could get at #2 (Perhaps Nick Fairley) would far outweigh those players.

Don't love the mock either but your dead wrong about deunta williams he is the best FS in the draft hands down and will b a high 2nd rounder and he's definately worth it

**Cutler2007** · 12-26-2010, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by Ohenhen12345 View Post

You need a quality backup, so in the hope of saving money, you would rather have Brady Quinn as your backup. Having Orton as backup for one year might be worth it, you never know with Tebow, one of those hits could lead to injury. And yes i like Tyrod as a backup, Orton and Quinn both will be gone in the next couple of years, you need to develop a good backup for Tebow. And plus i am not too sold on Tebow just yet.

I would just rather pay 9MM to a starter (Champ Bailey type starter with that money).

**Ohenhen12345** · 12-26-2010, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by Cutler2007 View Post

I would just rather pay 9MM to a starter (Champ Bailey type starter with that money).

Okay trade Orton, but also cut Quinn, don't want Quinn on the roster next season, sign via free agency a quality backup for Tebow.

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