Final mock till the combine

[beastlyskronk]

Don't love the mock either but your dead wrong about deunta williams he is the best FS in the draft hands down and will b a high 2nd rounder and he's definately worth it

Williams is not the best FS in this draft, I've watched him play and I can't say that he'll be the best from this class. Will he be good? I don't think so, I think he'll be above average to average. I'd take McDaniel as a FS over him, I'd definitely take Carter over him. If I'm playing a huge zone defense, I'd take Rahim Moore over him.

[one5beast]

I thinks it's better for us to trade orton and get more picks.
I also don't like the cutting Joe Mays he's been one of the bright spots of this defense when healthy.
And I do not want Haynesworth near this team

[Ohenhen12345]

I'm going to be honest this is possibly the worst offseasons I have ever seen. Let's start from the top
We have no reason to cut Quinn
Orton should traded to the highest bidder
If we trade down twice we should get another second and probably two more thirds and a fourth
We only have one seventh round pick
We only have one sixth round pick and you trade that away in your mock, yet you have a sixth in your draft
Marcus Thomas and Joe Mays are a couple of the few bright spots on this defense
You have us switching to a 4/3 defense, yet you draft a 350 pound nosetackle who is best suited in a 3/4
You have HAGGAN at OLB when he plays middle in a 4/3
You have Greg Jones behind HAGGAN on your dept chart
If we draft a defensive end in the first round he sure as he'll better start
I'm going to assume we sign free agent offensive lineman for depth but I would rather draft some.
You misspelled Dumervil
Those are my primary concerns, care to explain your reasoning?

Quinn sucks that is enough reasoning to cut him.
Will only trade Orton, if a quality backup is signed as replacement
Getting the 9th overall pick from Washington and a 2nd and 4th round pick is fair, one can't not always get the exact value from trading picks, and the problem of signing all the picks should also be factored in. Ellis is 340 pounds, and there are big tackles that have played in the 43, Pat Williams, Haynesworth(336 pounds) and etc. Greg Jones will eventually be the starter at OLB, Haggans has played OLB before. And the depth chart is a pre- training camp depth chart, Clairborne will be in direct competition with Ayers, and i am looking for a rotational system just like we see in Tennesee, where we rotate about 8 guys, to keep everyone fresh, you need more than 2 pass rushers, you need a third or maybe a fourth option off the bench, to maintain the pressure. So just because Clairborne doesn't start, that doesn't mean he will not be a major contributor to the team.

[Ohenhen12345]

I thinks it's better for us to trade orton and get more picks.
I also don't like the cutting Joe Mays he's been one of the bright spots of this defense when healthy.
And I do not want Haynesworth near this team

I would rather have a young talented ILB that is not a liability in pass coverage. joe Mays is not suited for the 43 defense.

[Pruke]

we do not have a player on our team called "haggins."

i'd also be interested to see how we will pay for bailey, haynesworth, shanahan, mcdaniels and our new head coach in one year.

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!

[THEdraftnik]

Quinn sucks that is enough reasoning to cut him.
Will only trade Tebow, if a quality backup is signed as replacement
Getting the 9th overall pick from Washington and a 2nd and 4th round pick is fair, one can't not always get the exact value from trading picks, and the problem of signing all the picks should also be factored in. Ellis is 340 pounds, and there are big tackles that have played in the 43, Pat Williams, Haynesworth(336 pounds) and etc. Greg Jones will eventually be the starter at OLB, Haggans has played OLB before. And the depth chart is a pre- training camp depth chart, Clairborne will be in direct competition with Ayers, and i am looking for a rotational system just like we see in Tennesee, where we rotate about 8 guys, to keep everyone fresh, you need more than 2 pass rushers, you need a third or maybe a fourth option off the bench, to maintain the pressure. So just because Clairborne doesn't start, that doesn't mean he will not be a major contributor to the team.

If we get the 9th and second and fourth round picks that's fine. But if you trade the 9th to miami then they would need to give up two thirds since we already have their second. I am always in belief that a first round pick should always be an impact player. Haggan does not have the range to play OLB. Ellis does not have the athleticism to play in a 4/3. And will bust in this defense. Haynesworth is a freak, and I dont want him within a couple hundred miles of Denver. Your idea on pass rushers is flawed. Depth is needed, but you don't draft role players no natter how good they are in the first round, unless you can afford it(NY Giants/jets). Quinn is more than capable of holding Tebow's clipboard. One bad preseason doesn't mean he can't be a good backup. The lions went 4-0 in the preseason before losing all their games that season.

[Ohenhen12345]

If we get the 9th and second and fourth round picks that's fine. But if you trade the 9th to miami then they would need to give up two thirds since we already have their second. I am always in belief that a first round pick should always be an impact player. Haggan does not have the range to play OLB. Ellis does not have the athleticism to play in a 4/3. And will bust in this defense. Haynesworth is a freak, and I dont want him within a couple hundred miles of Denver. Your idea on pass rushers is flawed. Depth is needed, but you don't draft role players no natter how good they are in the first round, unless you can afford it(NY Giants/jets). Quinn is more than capable of holding Tebow's clipboard. One bad preseason doesn't mean he can't be a good backup. The lions went 4-0 in the preseason before losing all their games that season.

Didn't like the trade for Quinn in the first place, he is a must cut, it would be best for the Broncos to go out and sign a quality backup. Tebow is a high risk, high reward type player, the probability of him getting injured is high, you need a quality backup, Quinn is rubbish, i would rather have Steve Brunell as our backup than Brady Quinn.

[Snarfalicious]

I agreed with everything you said except this point. Deunta Williams is alot better than Moore and Sands. You say Williams has dropped his stock, Moore's stock would have dropped rapidly had it not been for his athleticism. Sands will probably be a liability in coverage at the NFL level. Carter/ Barron are the only safeties worth drafting IMO.

I'll explain my viewpoint on the matter.

If you ever had the chance to watch Robert Sands play, the last thing he struggles with is diagnosing plays and making breaks on the ball. Most of the time, teams simply avoid him because he has a knack of coming from nowhere to deflect or intercept passes. He is also the biggest hitter at the safety position outside of maybe Mark Barron. When you combine his playmaking ability, consistent production, imposing size, and natural instincts he is a very good safety prospect. He stands 6'5" but he moves much more fluidly than you would expect a guy like that to. If you want to knock him for something, sometimes he does find himself out of position by dropping his head to deliver the big blow on a guy while filling.

As for Moore, I am personally not a fan of him at all. I think he plays like a corner and I absolutely hate seeing safeties play like that. However, a team will make a push for him because he is known for being a great cover safety, and teams will value his consistent production in college.

I'm simply not very big on Deunta Williams. He has some nice intangibles; he's known as a big time leader of that D, and when he came back from his suspension he supposedly took a newfound importance to be the vocal leader after the struggles of UNC this year, and he's an active member in the community. He is still improving at the position, he is a converted WR so he obviously has the hands to be a playmaker in the NFL. He is raw in his technique, and I imagine that rawness will be exposed when he goes to the Senior Bowl or Combine. Does he have upside? Of course he does, he's an athletic guy who has shown flashes of being a centerfield type safety, but I simply think he has relied on his athleticism a lot in college and his technique has fallen behind. Just my thoughts.

[Snarfalicious]

Cut Jamal Williams, if you look at the depth Chart, you will see Williams listed. And why should i care about Broncos Monetary situation, we need a good backup, Quinn is not it, Tebow is not a proven comodity just yet, keep Orton and cut Quinn. And i am not huge on Fairley. trade down and still fill the need for a DT in the 4th round, Kenderick Ellis. Sign Haynesworth, let him rush the passer in the 43, manage his production and everybody will be happy, i don't know about you but i would rather have a proven comodity in Haynesworth, over an overhyped SEC NT.

My mistake on the misread. I usually don't look at the depth charts in mock drafts.

You should care about the Broncos money situation because it will weigh heavily on the whole process as it has in years past. It would be highly ignorant not to. We don't have the luxury of paying a guy 9M to back up a guy when we could use that money for 1-2 potential starting free agents for the D. It's a matter of what makes the team better, not just the money aspect.

It's fine if you are not big on Fairley. I understand people have their own opinions and players that they like/dislike. But, saying that Kendrick Ellis is a player that will fill the hole at or near the level that Fairley would is ridiculous. Now, if you told me you would pair Fairley and Haynesworth in the middle of our new-look 4-3, I'd be much more excited about that, even if I do dislike Haynesworth.

Once again, sorry for the misread, but I still think the mock needs some work, but it's still early.

[beastlyskronk]

Quinn sucks that is enough reasoning to cut him.
Will only trade Orton, if a quality backup is signed as replacement
Getting the 9th overall pick from Washington and a 2nd and 4th round pick is fair, one can't not always get the exact value from trading picks, and the problem of signing all the picks should also be factored in. Ellis is 340 pounds, and there are big tackles that have played in the 43, Pat Williams, Haynesworth(336 pounds) and etc. Greg Jones will eventually be the starter at OLB, Haggans has played OLB before. And the depth chart is a pre- training camp depth chart, Clairborne will be in direct competition with Ayers, and i am looking for a rotational system just like we see in Tennesee, where we rotate about 8 guys, to keep everyone fresh, you need more than 2 pass rushers, you need a third or maybe a fourth option off the bench, to maintain the pressure. So just because Clairborne doesn't start, that doesn't mean he will not be a major contributor to the team.

If Clayborn isn't starting what good is he going to be for us? If he's backing up then I would assume you would have him coming in for passing situations, correct? Well he's not going to be a good pass rusher in the NFL unless he's playing UT. He simply does not have a first step or even very good explosion. What he's done in college has been him purely manhandling OTs. Add in the fact that most d-lineman take a few seasons to develop, we could be looking at about 2 unproductive seasons as his only pass rushing move is the bull rushing and simply tossing an OT (which won't happen in the NFL)

Now if we were staying in the 3-4 I could understand it, but he would still have to bulk up to stand his ground better.

[Ohenhen12345]

If Clayborn isn't starting what good is he going to be for us? If he's backing up then I would assume you would have him coming in for passing situations, correct? Well he's not going to be a good pass rusher in the NFL unless he's playing UT. He simply does not have a first step or even very good explosion. What he's done in college has been him purely manhandling OTs. Add in the fact that most d-lineman take a few seasons to develop, we could be looking at about 2 unproductive seasons as his only pass rushing move is the bull rushing and simply tossing an OT (which won't happen in the NFL)

Now if we were staying in the 3-4 I could understand it, but he would still have to bulk up to stand his ground better.

Clairborn is just one the options, would not draft Fairley though, I get wary of overhyped DT from the SEC. Unless the player is Suh, the sure thing, i will pass, and i hope the broncos take advanatage of the situation to acquire more picks and get more help for the defense.

[THEdraftnik]

Didn't like the trade for Quinn in the first place, he is a must cut, it would be best for the Broncos to go out and sign a quality backup. Tebow is a high risk, high reward type player, the probability of him getting injured is high, you need a quality backup, Quinn is rubbish, i would rather have Steve Brunell as our backup than Brady Quinn.

Quinn has yet to play a down this season, he is not a must cut, I agreeif we could get a Shaun Hill type backup it would be for the best. But Quinn still has potential and can start in a pinch. Tebow has been injured once in the last 5 years and only missed one game. He isnt injury prone. There is nobody in the NFL named Steve Brunell, Mark Brunell is like 50 years old if that's who you mean.

[MightyHorse]

I wont beat you up on what I dont like instead I'll tell ya what I do like the D.J. Williams pick. I havent seen him in anybodies mocks for us and Im not sure why.

I understand we need D more than anything but a good pass catching TE could be Tebows best friend next year. If we can get him in the 3rd why not. But I am a little partial bein an Arkansas fan.

[BroncosTX77]

Final mock till the combine


uh nope~

[InsaneBlaze23]

Why go back to 4-3?
Doom was not that much of a sack master when he played 4-3 DE with Mike at the helm. Leave it 3-4, and build off it, we already change DC's every year, why change scheme again, Champ said it best. "We are tired of all this" " I don't wanna keep doing this every time"