If we switch back to the 4-3 is trading Doom out of the realm of reason?

[qbronco]

Everything hinges on who becomes our next head coach and defensive coordinator. Last year, even though he led the team in sacks, I thought Doom was not very effective against the run. He is being paid too much money to be a situational pass rusher. Much will depend on the schemes brought in by the new coaching staff. I can see Doom being a monster next year, and I can also picture him being totally ineffective. He would be greatly helped out if Ayers or a new player can bring pressure from the other side.

[InElwayWeTrust]

What is it with us and wanting to trade our best players?? It seems like anytime anyone does well, the first thing we think is, "oh we could get something for them" when the we should be thinking "oh good we have a good player." We need to get more players like Dumervil on this team, not get rid of them.

[Ohenhen12345]

Doom was drafted in 2006 4th round

2006 8.5 sacks in 43 defense
2007 12.5 sacks in 43 defense
2008 5 sacks, broken finger and other injuries affected his stats
20019 17 sacks in 34 defense


Doom had success in the 43 defense, but in a 34 defense he is a monster. Would not trade Doom even if a 1st round pick was offered in exchange.

[MindField]

Is it possible? Yes

Is it likely? No

Even if you decide to trade him, Dumervil is an injured player, so you aren't going to get real value for him

If you move to a 4-3, I would try him as a SAM, and if all else fails, he would be a very expensive designated pass rusher.

But why would you trade an elite pass rusher?

Doom is signed, and is one of the few elite pieces we have, and we keep him, period

[elway 1987]

For one thing I would not trade Doom. Also I think it would be stupid if we switched back to the 4-3 defense. Even though Doom has had success in the 4-3, he had the best year of his career in the 3-4.

Another thing what is it with everybody wanting to trade our best players for. Does everyone want us to become the Florida Marlins of the NFL. I swear there are about a 1000 threads on people wanting to trade Tebow, DJ Williams, Clady, and so on.

[Diehard Pistons Fan]

Is it possible? Yes

Is it likely? No

Even if you decide to trade him, Dumervil is an injured player, so you aren't going to get real value for him

If you move to a 4-3, I would try him as a SAM, and if all else fails, he would be a very expensive designated pass rusher.

But why would you trade an elite pass rusher?

Doom is signed, and is one of the few elite pieces we have, and we keep him, period

Very well said.

The worst case scenario if we switch to a 4-3 is that Dumervil struggles against the run, but then is effective (and fresh) in pass rushing situations. Considering this is still perhaps the team's biggest achille's heel, I can't imagine the front office wanting to get rid of him, despite his high price tag.

Bottom line is Dumervil is a top-notch pass rusher on a defense is sorely lacking in that area. His game might not be perfect, but he still brings a LOT to the table, and would still be a valuable piece even in a 4-3. Having a quality rotation of D-lineman is of utmost importance, and can help to mask the weaknesses in each players games. Simply put, we haven't done a good job of acquiring/developing/keeping quality defensive lineman, so it makes little sense to get rid of one of the few good ones we actually have. All it would do is open up yet another hole on a defense that already has issues.

[Alaskajoe]

For one thing I would not trade Doom. Also I think it would be stupid if we switched back to the 4-3 defense. Even though Doom has had success in the 4-3, he had the best year of his career in the 3-4.

Another thing what is it with everybody wanting to trade our best players for. Does everyone want us to become the Florida Marlins of the NFL. I swear there are about a 1000 threads on people wanting to trade Tebow, DJ Williams, Clady, and so on.

I happen to agree that we swhouldnt trade Doom. What I was postulyzing with this poll was what is the general feeling on this board on this subject.

Doom puts us in a sticky situation.

1. His extension that he just signed

2. His year long injury that has not healed yet

3. His physical inability to play the run up front

4. His physical ability to destroy the QB

5. His popularity with the fanbase

6. The obvious fact that he is our #1 or #1a defensive player, but is scheme limited.

Its a tough call on DOOM.

Personally I was against the size of the extension that he recieved being a one trick pony, and please dont give me that "he needs a better line to be a better run stopper crap. Even with a three man line our opponants will run at him all day long. He just does not have the beef to be a true 3 down end that can play both pass and run. Like it has been said, e is a VERY expensive one trick pony. But damn is good at that trick. And after watching Shanahan let pass rusher after pass rusher go I am REALLY hesitant to lose a really good pass rusher (esp in the pass happy league that we have become). So we bite the bullet and have a really expensive and explosive rush OLB or we have a 2nd and 3rd down rush end.......

On a side not I trully wish we had a DC who was a zone blitz guru. IMHO that is the defense best suited to DOOMS ability and would help mask Ayers when he was asked to blitz.....oh wait....damn

[Joshecalpoly]

And this is why you are a Forum/Armchair GM and not in an NFL front office making decisions. NFL is also a business and many situations have to be taken into account when investing with a business.

I am just saying that we would have better luck with that trade, because rarely do teams want to spend the kind of money we did on Doom on a player coming off injury. In other words Doom would be a toxic asset to us we are investing in the belief he would do bad, unless the GM on the other side is willing to take high risk high reward business moves then he wont do it.

Honestly Ild rather keep Ayers weve invested enough time and money with him he is in his 3rd year. He has not had great blocking and honestly he did much better with Haggan on the outside then Hunter which showed that he needs a threat opposite him. Not to mention 3-4 OLB also requires you be able to matchup with RB's off the edge something Ayers can do. I have said this multiple times. Personally Ild rather move Ayers inside an Haggan out, Ayers has good enough speed and strength to come up the middle and Haggan is a better OLB.

Do not judge my business decisions you do not know me (I especially dont want to here it from a guy who consistently says we need to trade the guy who has the most tackles on our roster for an unproven rookie something that would make any team look foolish its a bad business move that would take away any confidence in the new administration), if your gong to attack me then attack my judgement of talent. Also trades occur all the time for players that have been disappointments on their respective teams. Rarely much is made of it, but its rarely good to trade a player that is only played in 2 years (i.e. Smith may not have been great but it was a breakout year for him we could have gotten a lot more for him then we did.)

[Kansas Bob]

Doom is a really good pass rusher out of any defensive

formation but sucks as a run stopped!
If Denver drafts Fairley and finds someone else to play DT beside him (not sure Bannon or Thomas is the answer) and brings doom in in passing situations and alternates him with Vickerson, Ayers or Hunter he would be of some value but, yes he is very expensive for a situational player.
Ayers would probably be a better 43 DE than 34 OLB. He isn't hugh but big enough to shed blocks and do a good job.:thumb:


Trade Doom to Shanny for Haynesworth and solve the problem!!!:thumb::thumb:

[JaysusCutler]

Dequan bowers is so overrated. He is a one year wonder like ayers was.

That's wrong. He's been great all 3 years at Clemson. He's got crazy ability

[Joshecalpoly]

That's wrong. He's been great all 3 years at Clemson. He's got crazy ability

He had 5 times as many sacks nearly every year as he did the year before, and his run stuffing ability went up by 1.5 times. I wont deny he is on the rise but to say he has been dominant or great is pushing it. The one thing I think people do is ignore the fact he has been a good not great run stuffer, till this year, because of his pass rush. However, he wasnt explosive on the pass rush till this year.

[JaysusCutler]

He had 5 times as many sacks nearly every year as he did the year before, and his run stuffing ability went up by 1.5 times. I wont deny he is on the rise but to say he has been dominant or great is pushing it. The one thing I think people do is ignore the fact he has been a good not great run stuffer, till this year, because of his pass rush. However, he wasnt explosive on the pass rush till this year.

I've watched him his entire career and he's always been a force for Clemson. Trust me, he is no one year wonder