Would you trade down with Arizona poll?

[MarshallMoss]

The 3-4, on paper would have allowed him to excel as a 5tech DE. He probably could have been like Ngata is in baltimore. But he doesnt like change.

Even though he got a 100 million dollar contract, he decided that it was best to cry about not getting what he wants.

Haynesworthless was only elite for 1 year. This was also during his contract year.

After he got his contract, he returned to his mediocre play and bad atitude.

The equivalent to Haynesworth switching positions, is not DJ to Sam. It is DJ to Jack, the weak side inside linebacker in a 3-4.

Haynesworth was nowhere near having a HOF career, and if you want to see one in the making, watch Detroits DL.

And my final point, is that Haynesworth would likely be here on a 1 year contract. That means, we would have an elite player on our DL for 1 year before he decides that he will walk in free agency for a huge contract. And we would be in nearly the same spot next year as we are now. We might as well take advantage of this deep DL draft, and get as much youth as possible.

You and Butler make good points. I know he is a risk. He was only 27 after that 2008 season and I felt he was on his way to HOF if he played to that level for the following 7 or 8 years. All I remember is there was no DT close to him that year in just purely dominating. If it meant having him only for one year to groom our rookie DT we take this draft, I would be all for it. I would way rather give up a late round pick for a guy like Haynseworth than take what might be a Haynesworth clone (attitude wise) with our #2 pick.

[johnlimburg]

If we could trade down and get haynsworth as I thorow in who cares if he doesnt play at a hof level. As long as he is solid.

[beastlyskronk]

The 3-4, on paper would have allowed him to excel as a 5tech DE. He probably could have been like Ngata is in baltimore. But he doesnt like change.

Even though he got a 100 million dollar contract, he decided that it was best to cry about not getting what he wants.

Haynesworthless was only elite for 1 year. This was also during his contract year.

After he got his contract, he returned to his mediocre play and bad atitude.

The equivalent to Haynesworth switching positions, is not DJ to Sam. It is DJ to Jack, the weak side inside linebacker in a 3-4.

Haynesworth was nowhere near having a HOF career, and if you want to see one in the making, watch Detroits DL.

And my final point, is that Haynesworth would likely be here on a 1 year contract. That means, we would have an elite player on our DL for 1 year before he decides that he will walk in free agency for a huge contract. And we would be in nearly the same spot next year as we are now. We might as well take advantage of this deep DL draft, and get as much youth as possible.

This isn't exactly true, in Haynesworth's first season in Washington he actually had a very good year but he played about 3/4s of the season with a bad knee but he still managed to get 4 sacks as well as opening things up for Brian Orakpo and Andre Carter who both had 11 sacks. Even last year he wasn't terrible, he was pretty good but he took a lot of plays off and was still being bothered by injury.

If Haynesworth can stay healthy we'll have a dominant DT for the next few years. And Fox knows how to motivate players like him, he did it with Kris Jenkins and Julius Peppers. Even if Haynesworth doesn't get a lot of sacks, he'll still be a force against the run and will command double teams and that will open up Dumervil.

I would love for it to happen but I doubt it will. I actually think Haynesworth will likely be cut before being traded (if a new CBA is agreed upon). Even if we do somehow get Haynesworth, I'd still take Dareus or Fairley at 2 overall. Let them rotate in and out their rookie year or if Vickerson doesn't do as good as expected then let whoever we draft take over.

If that trade happens we definitely wouldn't get Fred Davis though. Cooley is probably going to be on his way out soon and Davis is a very good young TE, too valuable to trade right now imo.

[BroncoSexyDaddy]

Even though he got a 100 million dollar contract, he decided that it was best to cry about not getting what he wants.

Haynesworthless was only elite for 1 year. This was also during his contract year.

After he got his contract, he returned to his mediocre play and bad atitude.

You would perform at your best to if you were in a contract year,i bet.It shows, it must not be all about the money if he got pissed off about moving to a 3-4 NT,it was taking him away from his talents and turning him into a wallflower.He could not rush the passer anymore Sir.

You made a point about him "crying about the position he were playing",Shannahan was the only one crying on national tv and press conferences about players.Try Shanny crying about Haynesworth,McNabb,and Clintin Portis,him and his son Kyle,who has no talent as a coach.Whats you point,its pointless..........

[THEdraftnik]

You would perform at your best to if you were in a contract year,i bet.It shows, it must not be all about the money if he got pissed off about moving to a 3-4 NT,it was taking him away from his talents and turning him into a wallflower.He could not rush the passer anymore Sir.

You made a point about him "crying about the position he were playing",Shannahan was the only one crying on national tv and press conferences about players.Try Shanny crying about Haynesworth,McNabb,and Clintin Portis,him and his son Kyle,who has no talent as a coach.Whats you point,its pointless..........

If I had the talent to be in the nfl, I would play like every down is my last.

Lazy players like Haynesworth are the sum of everything I hate about the players.

Jay Ratliff seems to rush the passer pretty well, and he seems to give his all on every play. Are you telling me that Haynesworth isnt capable of providing a spark at the nose tackle position. Or that he wouldnt.

Im not going to respond to your last comment. If you dont think Shanahan had every right to be angry with all the underachieving divas on his team, than you just lost your argument.

[BroncoSexyDaddy]

If I had the talent to be in the nfl, I would play like every down is my last.

Lazy players like Haynesworth are the sum of everything I hate about the players.

Jay Ratliff seems to rush the passer pretty well, and he seems to give his all on every play. Are you telling me that Haynesworth isnt capable of providing a spark at the nose tackle position. Or that he wouldnt.

Im not going to respond to your last comment. If you dont think Shanahan had every right to be angry with all the underachieving divas on his team, than you just lost your argument.

I didnt say he was wrong,i just said he went about it the wrong way.You made a point about Haynesworth crying,Shanny is no different.

I agree with Portis being undeacheiving.


Its just the way to be a coach and learn how to talk to certain types of people,if you want to get the best result out of them.Shannahan as a coach,didnt do that.


I dont want to rav another post about it.I will tell you to read my mock and thats where my opionion rest on who we should draft.

[beastlyskronk]

If I had the talent to be in the nfl, I would play like every down is my last.

Lazy players like Haynesworth are the sum of everything I hate about the players.

Jay Ratliff seems to rush the passer pretty well, and he seems to give his all on every play. Are you telling me that Haynesworth isnt capable of providing a spark at the nose tackle position. Or that he wouldnt.

Im not going to respond to your last comment. If you dont think Shanahan had every right to be angry with all the underachieving divas on his team, than you just lost your argument.

Jay Ratliff plays in a different scheme of a 3-4. There are different ways to play the 3-4 and Phillips runs his very different. He allows his NTs to penetrate which is why they can be smaller than the average 3-4 NT. The 3-4 the Redskins play is your prototypical 3-4 where the NT takes up 2 or 3 blockers to free up everyone else.

[Kyousukeneko]

it is going to be interresting see what he does with houston