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  • #31
    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    Yes, but he's not very successful at juking people and jumping over players isn't the smartest thing to do in the NFL. That's something that'll happen maybe a few times all season but if he tries to do that every game he will get seriously hurt.
    I'm not saying thats what he should do, but those moves of trying to make the defender miss are finesse, whereas Ingram's first choice is to lower his shoulder.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Touch_30_Down View Post
      Aaron Williams says hello.

      Moving Beadles to RT should not be an option. I actually thought he played really well at G last year. And from what I've seen of the 49ers and heard from their fans, he's been more impressive than Iupati (who has been ok against the run but a complete train wreck in pass protection). Not to mention Beadles will get abused at T, he just isn't fast enough. Beadles played in the ZBS so did Walton, so we might really have a great ZBS line this year.
      Iupati is a RG in the NFL, the 49ers really shouldn't have him at LG. He'll get better though but I just think he'd be better at RG. But Beadles was good at LG, but he was a bit below average in run blocking imo but he was better at pass protection. I don't think Beadles would get abused at RT, most LEs are generally bull rushers, he would have to get stronger though. And I'm not sure Walton played in a ZBS, but if he did he's not a very good fit for it. He's just not quick enough to get to his zone from what I saw last year.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
        Iupati is a RG in the NFL, the 49ers really shouldn't have him at LG. He'll get better though but I just think he'd be better at RG. But Beadles was good at LG, but he was a bit below average in run blocking imo but he was better at pass protection. I don't think Beadles would get abused at RT, most LEs are generally bull rushers, he would have to get stronger though. And I'm not sure Walton played in a ZBS, but if he did he's not a very good fit for it. He's just not quick enough to get to his zone from what I saw last year.
        It really doesn't matter where he plays. The difference in pass rush responsibility from RG to LG isn't that big. Iupati is way too aggressive in pass protection, and leaves huge gaps for blitzs up the middle pretty much. Regardless of if he plays LG or RG, teams are still going to blitz at him, they did that this year with their SS/MLB/ILB a lot for that reason. Even in the Broncos game, Haggan blitzed to that side multiple times and was successful in getting pressure.
        Beadles was fine last year at LG, once he got some time at the position he was playing extremely well in both facets of blocking. He was one of the biggest reasons for Moreno's success in the later part of the season. Beadles does get abused at the tackle position, we saw that in college, and frankly in the NFL just because you are playing DE it doesn't mean you are slow, it just means you are slower by comparisons of the NFL, those ends are still to quick for him. He is strong enough to handle the bull rushers there, but once they realize he isn't that fast even those bull rushers can use speed, and burst to get around that corner to get pressure on Tebow.
        Walton is fairly athletic, and will do fine in a ZBS while also adding some size. He definitely has the ability to move with the line.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
          Not really, Knowshon's best moves are jumping over people and stiff arming them. He's not very shifty at all. When he does try to juke (I've never actually seen him spin) he usually gets hit but he has great balance and can stay up. Well he only has great balance when he gets hit, when no one else is around him he trips a lot which is probably from trying to do more than he is capable of.
          I guess you didn't watch the giants game last year where he spun away from 2 defenders 2 yards deep in the backfield on a run and then juked a another defender for like a 8 yard gain? That was one of the hardest runs I've ever seen
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          • #35
            Originally posted by crash123go View Post
            I guess you didn't watch the giants game last year where he spun away from 2 defenders 2 yards deep in the backfield on a run and then juked a another defender for like a 8 yard gain? That was one of the hardest runs I've ever seen
            Thinking back now, I do remember that, but other than that run I don't remember him spinning. And even on that run, it was a really slow spin. If the left side of the line didn't block so well he would have been tackled during the spin.

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            • #36
              I don't see the Pats letting Ingram out of the first round, he's one of the few tools they don't have in the box, and with 2 first round picks they can choose when to pick who they want.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
                Not really, Knowshon's best moves are jumping over people and stiff arming them. He's not very shifty at all. When he does try to juke (I've never actually seen him spin) he usually gets hit but he has great balance and can stay up. Well he only has great balance when he gets hit, when no one else is around him he trips a lot which is probably from trying to do more than he is capable of.
                Neither is a pure elusive runner. Knowshon is known for jumping over tacklers when they go low. He does pull out the spin move and has great balance when changing direction, not giving defenders a clean target. Then he uses his stiff arm when they take bad pursuit angles. But Knowshon will also seek contact to get the 1st down/touchdown. He's more known for running through arm tackles than he is mowing over guys.

                Seems to be pretty similar to Ingram, who also seeks to run around contact and use his feet to be elusive, and can also finish runs. Marshall compares him to Emmitt, and when I see him run that's sort of what he looks like. Neither is a bowling-ball type of runner.

                My issue is, I think to complement Moreno we should look for a guy who creates space with his speed and can score from anywhere. Basically, Buckhalter, only younger and faster. That's really the only thing we lack with Knowshon.
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