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  • If Dareus is gone I want...

    Von Miller.

    After putting out a poll for a Broncos 3 round mock, I came out wanting Dareus at our #2. That poll gave me a chance to soak in how the big picture would look after seeing how different scenarios could play out with our draft. I just felt better about our roster after having Dareus on it at #2 while filling in our other needs with our other picks.
    But if Dareus is gone I want Miller. Fox/Elway want a disruptive defense, and no one would make a bigger impact than Miller after Dareus.

    Here is a quote from another fan site

    Ted Bartlett from Cleveland, OH Feb 9, 2011 9:28 AM

    I don’t really like Dumervil or Ayers as a 4-3 LB. They’re both natural 4-3 DEs, who have been playing out of position the last two years. I could possibly see Dumervil as a Sam if he was used like the Giants have used Mathias Kiwanuka, meaning he blitzes a great deal in 5 man rush schemes, but I don’t love the concept.

    I’d rather move them both to DE, and draft Von Miller at #2 if Fairley is gone. Miller is a natural Sam, and he can move to DE in passing situations, with Ayers potentially moving inside. Miller is a better natural pass rusher than Bowers, in my evaluation, and he’s going to be outstanding against the run from the Sam position. He’ll be like a better James Harrison, and Harrison could play in a 4-3 front too, so ignore all this baloney about how Miller only fits in a 3-4.
    More quotes

    Texas A&M defensive end/outside linebacker Von Miller has had a great week of practice, and is one of the best natural pass rushers I have ever seen. Mike Mayock – NFL Network

    “Two words. Defies. Gravity. Bends parallel to the ground. This guy comes off the edge and it’s scary how quick he gets to the quarterback. In my notes from the season, I had the word ‘wow’ written (about Miller) more than any other player.” - again, Mike Mayock.

    He was unstoppable against players who are expected to go in the first two days of the draft. On the first play, he did an outside-in double move to beat Mississippi State's Derek Sherrod, and it wasn't even close. The move was so quick and so natural, Sherrod had no chance. - Todd McShay, ESPN.

    The top linebacker on the field today was Texas A&M star Von Miller--and that's not even considering his work as a pass rusher in one-on-one drills. - Rob Rang NFLDraftscout.com

    Any Big 12 fan knows that had the chance to watch Miller more than a few times knows what these guys are talking about. There aren't many guys that can get after it like Miller and change the flow of a game by themselves. Miller is one of those dudes. And everyone knows how valuable guys are that can rush the passer in the NFL.

    Von Miller headlines this years OLB class. Miller is one of the most explosive defensive players to enter the draft in years. He is versatile enough to play both defensive schemes. I think he’s better suited for strong outside in a 4-3 defense, but 3-4 teams will covet his top-notch pass rushing skills and will select him higher at that position. - Joe Goodberry
    I love this concept. Miller has proven more than any college DE that he can play linebacker. He has speed to keep up with TE's and has the ability to get to the QB consistently like no one in this draft. What I love about picking him is that it gives us so much flexibility scheme wise in attacking the QB.

    I love the idea of putting him at LDE on passing downs, pushing Ayers inside. This would be some sick aggression put on opposing offences. It allows us to be less predictable on 1st and 2nd downs as well, as we could blitz Miller from the SLB on early downs. Picking a Bowers/Quinn would not give us this flexibility.

    Miller is up to 246 without losing speed and is only going to get bigger. In a 4/3 this is more than enough.

    He also states he wants to be a complete defensive player whether in a 3/4 or 4/3:

    If there were any questions about Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller's measurables after his spectacular final season as an Aggie, he answered them at the Scout...


    I love to hear this...and he showed that he means that by his play at the senior bowl.

    For those who say he is terrible against the run, do your homework as he is more than adequate and is only getting better.

    If we did not have Ayers, I would be tempted with Bowers. Miller fills the same need, although a different type of player with the versatility to fit our scheme and maximize the talent on our current roster.



    Here are all the other options:

    Peterson: I was a big Peterson supporter and would not be disappointed in the pick, but with the latest wonderlick scoring I'm having more questions. Peterson's value is more as a safety as he could be a "Sean Taylor" type of player. We need disruptive front seven help, and we cannot afford to take a guy like Peterson and expect him to change positions when his mental aptitude doesn't seem to be where it needs to be.

    Fairley: There are a lot of questions on how Fairley's game will transition to the Nfl. He dominated smaller and slower lineman in college and the jury is out how if this will continue in the Nfl. I'm not a fan of his skinny lower body, and question whether he will have the power and durability to hold up in the NFL. Character issues are also a concern.

    Bowers: I like Bowers a lot. I just feel it is a wasted pick when we have two very serviceable DE's already. Sure Ayers can be brought inside on passing downs, but we really minimize what we add to our roster if we pick a DE here.

    Quinn: See Bowers
    Last edited by MarshallMoss; 03-19-2011, 05:52 PM.
    "He's going to be the #1 receiver, and is going to be a star in this league for a long time" Todd Mcshay on Jerry Jeudy

  • #2
    First option trade down and get JJ Watt or if we can't trade down i will take Bowers.

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    • #3
      I disagree on your Fairley assesment, he played in the SEC and trust me they were not smaller linemen. As for slower, he played against Oregon linemen some of the fastest linemen, yes they were small but you rarely see big and quick.
      What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
      I don't know and I don't care

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      • #4
        I'm down with either Peterson or Miller. I don't buy the BS that the DT is the most important part of the defense, the only way to acquire a DT is with the second pick, and most importantly, I don't like any DT prospects at #2.

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        • #5
          Something that I like about Miller is his intelligence and his desire to ve part of labor negotiations. That shows he's going to be a leader, loves the game, and just wants to play.

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          • #6
            Something that I like about Miller is his intelligence and his desire to ve part of labor negotiations. That shows he's going to be a leader, loves the game, and just wants to play.
            Never looked at it that way. Good point!
            "He's going to be the #1 receiver, and is going to be a star in this league for a long time" Todd Mcshay on Jerry Jeudy

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            • #7
              I don't really see how Miller is a natural SAM LB when I don't believe he's every played there.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
                I don't really see how Miller is a natural SAM LB when I don't believe he's every played there.
                A&M played a 43 in his junior year I believe.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SoundsOfSuccess View Post
                  A&M played a 43 in his junior year I believe.
                  I'm pretty sure he played DE in that though. I think he played a little bit of weak side LB his sophomore year, he had like 40 something tackles and 3.5 sacks. Outside of that he's been a DE/34 OLB.

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                  • #10
                    Just in general the way I see it is that he is without a doubt best when he's rushing the QB, not dropping back into coverage. He should rush the passer, and do nothing else, and it's very unlikely that he's gonna do that as a 43 SAM LB.

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                    • #11
                      I think I've settled on the opinion that if we're locked in drafting #2, if Dareus is gone, draft Miller or Peterson and make it work.

                      Fairley makes me a bit nervous, though if he's selected I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

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                      • #12
                        I don't really see how Miller is a natural SAM LB when I don't believe he's every played there.
                        Many scouts as well as Todd Mcshay feel SLB is his fit in a 4/3. With us it makes sense seeing that we already have Williams/Woodyard to play WLB.

                        But more importantly we would not want to put both Miller and Doom on the same side. They both are not terrible against the run, but we all can agree it is not their strength. Having Miller behind Ayers ( who is quickly proving himself to be one of the best edge run stoppers) would compliment the left side perfectly. I believe Miller and Ayers will compliment each other on the same side, and could improve each others overall games ( as Miller strengths is Ayers weaker areas and vice versa)
                        "He's going to be the #1 receiver, and is going to be a star in this league for a long time" Todd Mcshay on Jerry Jeudy

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                        • #13
                          if dareus is gone fairley the next obvious pick then quinn
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                          • #14
                            I want Nick Fairley if the Panthers take Dareus, but it looks like they may draft a QB so Dareus is all ours.
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                            • #15
                              if dareus is gone fairley the next obvious pick then quinn
                              There is no obvious with this pick. Last year it was obvious that the number 1 pick would be Bradford or Suh (maybe you could have included McCoy). This year there is 5 or 6 players who could go at 2. If it is your opinion than explain, would be interested to hear your thoughts?
                              "He's going to be the #1 receiver, and is going to be a star in this league for a long time" Todd Mcshay on Jerry Jeudy

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