If Dareus is gone I want...

[daspeedster]

if your talking about de depth the #2 pick overall is not where to find it. The ny giants drafted a de to move to slb in kiki. We have a chance to draft a lb to play slb that many draft scouts has the physical ability to play linebacker better than any other lb in the draft - without even factoring in pass rush ability. Throw in his pash rush ability - von miller has shown consistently he is better than anyone in this entire draft at getting to the qb.

I believe ayers is on his way to great things for us, and i would rather draft a player that fulfills a starting need for us not depth at #2!

love it! Very well said!

[daspeedster]

EDIT: not to mention that, if we draft a DE, we can use him and Ayers on the DL and Dumervil as a rush LB for certain packages and passing situations.[/QUOTE]
Can we not do the same if we drafted miller? He can play DE in certain packages for us, lb, heck line him up at safety. He would be the most quality pick at 2. And then we can go after a veteran dt in free agency and draft one in the 2nd.

[-Rod-]

Can we not do the same if we drafted miller? He can play DE in certain packages for us, lb, heck line him up at safety. He would be the most quality pick at 2. And then we can go after a veteran dt in free agency and draft one in the 2nd.

Yes we can. It was just an idea of how to use 3 "DEs" at the same time. Even because Allen will probably use various packages and different looks. But forget about Miller and the DE. We should draft 6 DTs. Especially if there is another one out there named Vickerson.

[MarshallMoss]

Here is a little bit more on Von Miller from U of Kansas coach Chuch Long:

Since switching to the 3-4 in 2005, San Francisco has had an outside linebacker post more than seven sacks in a season just once. Long says Miller, who led the nation with 17 sacks in 2009, has skills that will translate well to the pros.

“He is going to be a really good pass-rusher in the NFL,” said Long, a former quarterback who was the 1985 Heisman Trophy runner-up and spent five seasons in the NFL. “I’ll put it to you this way: He’s the only guy we played against this year where we had to do something about him. In other words, we didn’t really get concerned about anyone else that we played … My point is, when we watched tape, we said, ‘Whoa.’ He was the only guy all year we felt going into the game, we better do something about this individual. Instead of attacking schemes, we had to attack that individual because he did change your game plan.”

Miller was held without a sack and had four tackles in Texas A&M’s 45-10 win over Kansas this past season. And Long said that’s because the Jayhawks constantly double-teamed him with a tackle and a running back. The Jayhawks routinely sent out just three receivers in an effort to neutralize Miller, who had 17.5 tackles for a loss as a senior.

“He was fast off the edge, had a great first step and he had a couple different moves,” Long said. “Man, because he could get to the edge so fast — and he had the inside move as well — that made him all that more dangerous. Plus, he hustled all over the field. You always watch and see that. I think you have really great players when they hustle from the back side. And he was just as dangerous on the backside chasing the ball.

People that label him that he can't play SLB are being naive. It is all about scheming...and you have way more versatility in your schemes when you have a weapon like this that you can put on the line, back in coverage, or back for a delayed blitz. Ayers and Doom are going to have a field day on the line if we add a weapon like this to the rotation. Can you imagine how many sacks Doom is going to get without being double teamed all the time by a tackle/running back?

Another point is that with this kind of pressure being brought on, offences will be very limited in using receiving tight ends in their packages. We are going to see a majority of blocking TE's to neutralize our pressure. So I do not see a SLB/Miller having to drop in coverage as often as most would suspect. If a team tries to expose this, their QB will be exposed in the worst way!

If the Broncos feel that Dareus or Fairley really are serious difference makers compared to Round 2 DT's, than I will back them up in selecting one of them. Just do not be surprised if they feel Miller's impact is something really special and instantly makes our defense scary good. I for one would not be dissappointed to add the second coming of Clay Matthews to our team.

There are some scouts saying that Miller should go #1 overall.

[Kyousukeneko]

Here is a little bit more on Von Miller from U of Kansas coach Chuch Long:



People that label him that he can't play SLB are being naive. It is all about scheming...and you have way more versatility in your schemes when you have a weapon like this that you can put on the line, back in coverage, or back for a delayed blitz. Ayers and Doom are going to have a field day on the line if we add a weapon like this to the rotation. Can you imagine how many sacks Doom is going to get without being double teamed all the time by a tackle/running back?

Another point is that with this kind of pressure being brought on, offences will be very limited in using receiving tight ends in their packages. We are going to see a majority of blocking TE's to neutralize our pressure. So I do not see a SLB/Miller having to drop in coverage as often as most would suspect. If a team tries to expose this, their QB will be exposed in the worst way!

If the Broncos feel that Dareus or Fairley really are serious difference makers compared to Round 2 DT's, than I will back them up in selecting one of them. Just do not be surprised if they feel Miller's impact is something really special and instantly makes our defense scary good. I for one would not be dissappointed to add the second coming of Clay Matthews to our team.

There are some scouts saying that Miller should go #1 overall.

if they can get fairley to play with good leverage the nthey should be fine, they also need to make a move to get an elite DT as in Fairley or Dareus, and a top second round option. we need 2 dt in with our first 2 picks. that need to be the start of our rebuilding process. i'd love soemthing that looks like this

1. Marcell Dareus
2. Drake Nevis

that'd be my prefered first then first second round pick

[MarshallMoss]

if they can get fairley to play with good leverage the nthey should be fine, they also need to make a move to get an elite DT as in Fairley or Dareus, and a top second round option. we need 2 dt in with our first 2 picks. that need to be the start of our rebuilding process. i'd love soemthing that looks like this

1. Marcell Dareus
2. Drake Nevis

that'd be my prefered first then first second round pick

I would not be dissappointed in those two picks. But I would be more excited to get:

1. Von Miller
2a. Austin
2b. Nevis

Now we could have a five man all out blitz package of Miller, Ayers, Nevis, Austin and Doom!

Who could stop that force?

I think what is more likely if they take Miller is one of Austin or Nevis as a penetrating DT and draft a safety or CB with our second 2nd. Than draft a NT type of DT in the 3rd round like Jenkins.

I wish we could just resign Marcus Thomas as I feel he could be an excellent penetrating DT in a 4/3. This is the position he dominated with in college.

[Kyousukeneko]

I would not be dissappointed in those two picks. But I would be more excited to get:

1. Von Miller
2a. Austin
2b. Nevis

Now we could have a five man all out blitz package of Miller, Ayers, Nevis, Austin and Doom!

Who could stop that force?

I think what is more likely if they take Miller is one of Austin or Nevis as a penetrating DT and draft a safety or CB with our second 2nd. Than draft a NT type of DT in the 3rd round like Jenkins.

I wish we could just resign Marcus Thomas as I feel he could be an excellent penetrating DT in a 4/3. This is the position he dominated with in college.

i am not sure austin or nevis can hold up the best agains tthe run, i think we really need dareus or fairley with the second over all, i would make a move to draft kelvin sheppard, move DJ to SLB(he had his best years here) and then WW at WLB, would look good to me

i mean

Doom
Dareus
NEvis/Vickerson
Fairley

WW
Sheppard
Williams

looks like a good front seven to me.

[MarshallMoss]

i am not sure austin or nevis can hold up the best agains tthe run, i think we really need dareus or fairley with the second over all, i would make a move to draft kelvin sheppard, move DJ to SLB(he had his best years here) and then WW at WLB, would look good to me

i mean

Doom
Dareus
NEvis/Vickerson
Fairley

WW
Sheppard
Williams

looks like a good front seven to me.

I think you made a typo putting both Dareus and Fairley on the front four line for us...you probably meant Ayers...lol.

DJ had his worst years at SLB...in fact many believe this move severely damaged his career (I am one of them). I think Fox is going to like Wesley at WLB and his speed. I think in a proper scheme, Fox could make DJ an animal in the middle. (Dj was serviceable his first year playing there) Fox will keep it simple for DJ. Fox has been known to get the most of what he's got, scheming to the abilities of his talent. Let's face it JMD defense was the complete opposite. He had a different gameplan every week where he didn't have the proper troops and weapons to execute it.

Let me ask you...

Would you rather have

1. Clay Matthews (Miller comparison)
2. Darnell Dockett? (Austin comparison)

or

1. Ty Warren/Dockett ( Dareus comparison)
2.Tommy Harris (Nevis comparison)

I would take the first option in a heartbeat if the Broncos feel these are the type of guys they are getting.

If the Broncos feel Dareus is the next coming of Warren Sapp than I would not be disappointed in them going that direction. But if Dareus is not that far off talent wise from a guy like Austin, don't be surprised if we pass on him.

[Touch_30_Down]

I would not be dissappointed in those two picks. But I would be more excited to get:

1. Von Miller
2a. Austin
2b. Nevis

Now we could have a five man all out blitz package of Miller, Ayers, Nevis, Austin and Doom!

Who could stop that force?

I think what is more likely if they take Miller is one of Austin or Nevis as a penetrating DT and draft a safety or CB with our second 2nd. Than draft a NT type of DT in the 3rd round like Jenkins.

I wish we could just resign Marcus Thomas as I feel he could be an excellent penetrating DT in a 4/3. This is the position he dominated with in college.

Cool I'll just run my dual TE I formation, and run the ball every single play.
I can almost hear the groans of the crowd as Jamal Charles hit 300 rushing yards.

[MarshallMoss]

Cool I'll just run my dual TE I formation, and run the ball every single play.
I can almost hear the groans of the crowd as Jamal Charles hit 300 rushing yards.

LOL...I didn't think I needed to point out the obvious that this is a passing down package we would put out.

[THEdraftnik]

I think you made a typo putting both Dareus and Fairley on the front four line for us...you probably meant Ayers...lol.

DJ had his worst years at SLB...in fact many believe this move severely damaged his career (I am one of them). I think Fox is going to like Wesley at WLB and his speed. I think in a proper scheme, Fox could make DJ an animal in the middle. (Dj was serviceable his first year playing there) Fox will keep it simple for DJ. Fox has been known to get the most of what he's got, scheming to the abilities of his talent. Let's face it JMD defense was the complete opposite. He had a different gameplan every week where he didn't have the proper troops and weapons to execute it.

Let me ask you...

Would you rather have

1. Clay Matthews (Miller comparison)
2. Darnell Dockett? (Austin comparison)

or

1. Ty Warren/Dockett ( Dareus comparison)
2.Tommy Harris (Nevis comparison)

I would take the first option in a heartbeat if the Broncos feel these are the type of guys they are getting.

If the Broncos feel Dareus is the next coming of Warren Sapp than I would not be disappointed in them going that direction. But if Dareus is not that far off talent wise from a guy like Austin, don't be surprised if we pass on him.

Well I have seen Dareus compared to Warren Sapp, and Von is more similar to Manny Lawson than Clay Mathews. Nice try.

[MarshallMoss]

Well I have seen Dareus compared to Warren Sapp, and Von is more similar to Manny Lawson than Clay Mathews. Nice try.

Fair enough...comparisons are just that and are debatable.

If we took the absolute ceilings of both players we will be getting one heck of a player. I just think we become more versatile and less predictable as a defence taking Miller first.

Either way can't wait to embrace our #2 pick overall. It still hasn't sunk in that we have such a high pick!

[CanDB]

I do believe Miller is going to be a stud for many years to come, and I am a big fan of strong Linebacking......if we could seal up the middle, as the OP has suggested with solid 2nd round picks, I kind of get the premise of getting Von.

Preferably you trade down a couple of spots to get him, thereby getting another pick in the process.

[Touch_30_Down]

LOL...I didn't think I needed to point out the obvious that this is a passing down package we would put out.

Drafting 3 players to be just effective on passing downs is down right the most ridiculous thing I've heard.
Nevis is a rotational tackle. Austin is too until he actually learns to be a tackle. Von Miller isn't some god against the run either.

[MarshallMoss]

Drafting 3 players to be just effective on passing downs is down right the most ridiculous thing I've heard.
Nevis is a rotational tackle. Austin is too until he actually learns to be a tackle. Von Miller isn't some god against the run either.

Of course...read the rest of my post before jumping to conclusions. I stated the realistic way we would probably go if Miller is drafted is a guy like Austin/Nevis in second along with a NT type like Jenkins in the 3rd.

The first was an extreme example of maximum penetration.

By the way Austin is pretty effective against the run for a penatrating DT.

I would rather hear some suggestions of value than criticize parts of my commentary without reading it all...thank you.

By all means I don't think I'm right about all this, just throwing opinions and scenarios out there. The more educated we become as fans, the more we will understand why the Broncos picked who they picked...I personally do not want to be in shock mode when it comes time to make our picks. What seemed to be our biggest holes from last year could be completely different with a new scheme and philosophy now in town.