Broncos Schedule Private Vist With Cam Newton April 18th in Denver

[Project KSL]

Lets not forget that John Fox was very high on Tebow during the draft prospect. Just because the broncos arent singing praises for tebow doesnt mean theyre not confident in him. He started 3 games, he's essentially still a rookie and it would be extremely unwise to even verbally commit to him at this point. When you're 4-12 with the 2nd overall piick you need to look at every position unless you have a franchise quarterback.

Uh what? John Fox was high on Tebow coming out? Link? Because if he's said anything to that degree since he's been the Broncos' coach, it holds no validity. I don't think we're going to take a QB at #2. but we will have one by round 3, bank on it.

[Project KSL]

Gabbert and Newton are highly regarded QBs in an extremely weak draft class dude.

Gabbert is inaccurate and struggles greatly produced in arguably the easiest offense in football.

Chase Daniels was lethal in the offense and look where he is. Gabbert has nothing on Daniels as a passer, yet because of his measurable is a first round prospect in the media.

Newton much like Tebow made his crust of being a dual threat, Newton the better runner and Tebow the better passer. Tebow however comes without character concerns and had done it over 3/4 years, Newton, only 1 and he's coming out. Most teams if they had the choice of the two would take Tebow imo. Tebow presents a very similar package with excellent intagibles and leadership.

Also, I don't understand how you have Clausen going before Tebow. If 2 teams had a first round projection for Tebow, it means none had a first round projection for Clausen. There was 24 picks between where they went, surely Clausen would've gone earlier then.

Gabbert also had a big arm, better accuracy then anyone not named Bradford from last year's class, and the measureable you want. I'm not a Gabbert fan, but he is a very good PROSPECT.

I don't think Jimmy Clausen is better then Tebow, or any of the guys I listed after him. However I put that list together as if the 2010 draft hadn't happened, and last year Clausen was the #2 consensus QB.

Newton is 50x the passer Tebow is, and if it wasn't for his character issues. He'd be the clear #1 QB this year. Newton has Tebow beat on EVERYTHING related to passing. Mechanics, motion, release, arm strength, accuracy.... Everything. That's not even debateable man.

[johnlimburg]

That is 100% false. Before we took him.... Everyone last year hated the idea of taking Tebow. Don't believe me? Go look up
my
mock last year that I posted in January. Where I HAD THE BRONCOS TAKING TEBOW. Go look at those comments. Yeh you did call that but it was it november. CP.

If they merged the classes bias aside. This is how it would go

Bradford
Gabbert
Newton
Clausen
Locker

I beleive the class would go if it was based purely on talnet alone. Mallet would be there if he wasnt a drug using partying bum. Appaarently.:

Bradford
Gabbert
Newton
Mallet

Then you can have your pick of 6th among Ponder, Kaps, Mallett, Tebow and whoever else.

NO ONE HAD A FIRST ROUND GRADE ON TEBOW

Just because he's now on the Broncos' roster doesn't mean he's better now.

I beleive a few people actually did have a first round grade down. Not a high first but a 20-65 guy. Apparently if the broncos didnt trade up for him there were a few other teams that would of according to mark schlereth.

[bigtimebronco]

Gabbert also had a big arm, better accuracy then anyone not named Bradford from last year's class, and the measureable you want. I'm not a Gabbert fan, but he is a very good PROSPECT.

I don't think Jimmy Clausen is better then Tebow, or any of the guys I listed after him. However I put that list together as if the 2010 draft hadn't happened, and last year Clausen was the #2 consensus QB.

Newton is 50x the passer Tebow is, and if it wasn't for his character issues. He'd be the clear #1 QB this year. Newton has Tebow beat on EVERYTHING related to passing. Mechanics, motion, release, arm strength, accuracy.... Everything. That's not even debateable man.

People raved about the arms of Russell, Leaf, Smith, Clausen and so many others coming into the draft. Look where they ended up.

[johnlimburg]

I didnt watch gabbert all that much but i know he struggled mightily against colorado last year

[Project KSL]

I beleive a few people actually did have a first round grade down. Not a high first but a 20-65 guy. Apparently if the broncos didnt trade up for him there were a few other teams that would of according to mark schlereth.

There was the rumor that the Bills were attempting to
move up an take him. Which I do believe. However taking a player in the 1st, and that player having a "1st round grade"
is entirely different. We were pressured to trade up to secure him. Anyone who covers the draft had him AT BEST a 2nd round prospect. This year any number of 2nd round QB's will go in the first. But they won't have a "first round grade" they'll just be chosen in the first,


Like I said, I'm not a Gabbert fan. He struggled a lot, in a lot of games. But he has what you can't coach, the size and the arm strength.

[Project KSL]

People raved about the arms of Russell, Leaf, Smith, Clausen and so many others coming into the draft. Look where they ended up.

People also raved about the arms of Vick, Favre, Big Ben, McNabb, Cutler...... That could go both ways.

[bigtimebronco]

People also raved about the arms of Vick, Favre, Big Ben, McNabb, Cutler...... That could go both ways.

I agree, but someone who may appear 50x the passer of someone else prior to the draft doesnt mean they will be 50x the quarterback. Look at Tom Brady's scouting reports, they were downright awful.

[Project KSL]

I agree, but someone who may appear 50x the passer of someone else prior to the draft doesnt mean they will be 50x the quarterback. Look at Tom Brady's scouting reports, they were downright awful.

Tom Brady is THE MAJOR EXCEPTION. Which is why his story is so amazing. That stuff nearly NEVER happens. Scouts are right mote often then not, which are why they have the jobs they have.

[bigtimebronco]

Tom Brady is THE MAJOR EXCEPTION. Which is why his story is so amazing. That stuff nearly NEVER happens. Scouts are right mote often then not, which are why they have the jobs they have.

Plays in the spread offense, taking the bulk of his snaps from the shotgun... Tends to side-arm his passes going deep...Lacks accuracy and touch on his long throws... Seems more comfortable in the short/intermediate passing attack...Does not possess the ideal height you look for in a pro passer, though his ability to scan the field helps him compensate in this area...Will improvise and run when the passing lanes are clogged, but tends to run through defenders rather than trying to avoid them to prevent unnecessary punishment.

Besides the size concerns he sounds a little like Tebow huh? That was said about Drew Brees

[Jay3]

Tom Brady is THE MAJOR EXCEPTION. Which is why his story is so amazing. That stuff nearly NEVER happens. Scouts are right mote often then not, which are why they have the jobs they have.

That's not right. The quarterback position is notoriously hard to evaluate, the hardest position of all.

They get it wrong on a lot of highly rated ones, and some good ones totally get underrated.

Malcolm Gladwell wrote an excellent article analyzing this phenomenon.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/12/15/081215fa_fact_gladwell

[Project KSL]

There's negatives about EVERY prospect. Next year Andrew Luck will still have negatives.... Every prospect does. Tebow had a lot
more then most.

Throwing motion
release
accuracy
footwork
arm strength
spread offense
no under center experience

the only positives to Tebow as a prospect were his intanglibles.

Look at Gabbert's pro con list

ideal size
above average arm strength
quick release
good mechanics
great accuracy
high football iq
more mobile then you think
natural leader

for cons

below average numbers
bad footwork
tends to force throws
pocket awareness needs work
spread offense
no under center experience


You could also probably throw a few more on either side. But you can see why Gabbert is the #1 QB ofthe class... And some wanted Tebow to play TE

[Jay3]

Tebow had a lot
more then most.

Throwing motion
release
accuracy
footwork
arm strength
spread offense
no under center experience

the only positives to Tebow as a prospect were his intanglibles.

That's not really accurate. First of all, most people are running from the "arm strength" knock and claiming they never said it. It was never a valid negative, and the real pros said he had an NFL arm. So already, you've incorporated some of the Kiper echo chamber stuff.

Throwing motion and release are basically one thing.

Footwork and no under center experience are basically the same thing. And Sam Bradford had very little experience under center and ran the spread.

On the positives, Tebow as a prospect had more than intangibles. He smoked the combine, has great size and strength, good downfield accuracy, and demonstrated incredible statistical efficiency against great competition.

It's a myth that only McD like Tebow. He was the second quarterback taken, and would have been if you ran that draft 10 times. He went right where Aaron Rodgers and Brady Quinn went -- second best, in the 20's, but some questions about him so no one traded up higher.

I guarantee the following teams would have taken Tebow with their next pick -- Minnesota, Buffalo, Panthers, and probably Cleveland. Maybe Seattle. McD traded to right where he needed to be to get ahead of a wave of teams looking at Tebow.

[BF]

I agree, but someone who may appear 50x the passer of someone else prior to the draft doesnt mean they will be 50x the quarterback. Look at Tom Brady's scouting reports, they were downright awful.

I agree. What makes Brady special is his football intelligence. He knows how to check down his receivers and read defenses. This is where players like Tebow and Newton will struggle and need time to develope. Compared to TT and Newton, Brady is the least athletic of them.

[Project KSL]

That's not really accurate. First of all, most people are running from the "arm strength" knock and claiming they never said it. It was never a valid negative, and the real pros said he had an NFL arm. So already, you've incorporated some of the Kiper echo chamber stuff.

Throwing motion and release are basically one thing.

Footwork and no under center experience are basically the same thing. And Sam Bradford had very little experience under center and ran the spread.

On the positives, Tebow as a prospect had more than intangibles. He smoked the combine, has great size and strength, good downfield accuracy, and demonstrated incredible statistical efficiency against great competition.

It's a myth that only McD like Tebow. He was the second quarterback taken, and would have been if you ran that draft 10 times. He went right where Aaron Rodgers and Brady Quinn went -- second best, in the 20's, but some questions about him so no one traded up higher.

I guarantee the following teams would have taken Tebow with their next pick -- Minnesota, Buffalo, Panthers, and probably Cleveland. Maybe Seattle. McD traded to right where he needed to be to get ahead of a wave of teams looking at Tebow.

Okay, throwing motion and rease ARE NOT the same thing. The way a quarterback winds up the football and the point in which it is released are very different. Tebow has a very long wind up, which causes the ball to come out of his hand late. They're related, but they're different.

Tebow was very athletic, I will never take that away from him. But his Pro/Con list is very bottom heavy.

You can't guarantee anything related to Tebow. You can only assume. What we do known is nearly every team
you listed passed on him, and no one had a 1st round grade on him.
He wasn't even on some team's
boards. He wasn't a high regarded prospect, he wasn't supposed to go in the first, and had it not been or his "intangibles" he probably wouldn't
of even been drafted to be a QB. Like I said, if you want to see unbiased opinions on Tebow in Denver before it happened go back and look at my mock last year. I said Tebkw would be Josh's pick, and was RIPPED for it. We all want to believe people on our team are better then they are. But we have to be realistic,