Broncos Schedule Private Vist With Cam Newton April 18th in Denver

[johnlimburg]

What? If Luck comes out he goes #1 no question, then you have Denver, Buffalo, Cincy, Arizona, San Francisco, Tennessee, Washington.... 7 teams in the top 10 are looking QB. He would still go in the top 10, there's no question. Probably top 5 still. He just wouldn't be in the running for "best in the class" like he is now.

Yeh i know luck goes number 1 no question but before when there was speculation he would leave school there was no talk really of newton or gabbert in the top 10. At all

[johnlimburg]

And no one is comparing him to Matt Ryan. I was bringing up QB's with less then stellar college stats who have been successful.

I just dont think gabbert is deserving of the top 5 hype espoecially the number 1 overall hype. Just mu opinion

[bigtimebronco]

I too am not sold on Gabbert, I havent seen enough from him to warrant a top 10 pick for the kid. Quite frankly if I were to pick any quarterback from this class it would be Christian Ponder, great mechanics, great intelligence, very accurate,very athletic, doesnt have a boomer for an arm, but it's strong enough to make all the throws he'll need to make.


As for Tim, no he's not 100% there yet, as any other 2nd year qb with 3 starts under his belt, watching the games he did start his decision making, accuracy and especially arm strength is actually far better than people realize. But his footwork at times was nearly abysmal, and if your feet aren't right, you're accuracy will suffer, which is why alot of his passes were so erratic, however, footwork is fixable, look what happened to michael vick this year when he learned proper footwork in the pocket. It's something that Tim needs to work on, but with that work ethic, I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up to TC with damn near perfect footwork, which will show when he throws the ball accurately on a consistant basis. His flaws are blown WAY out of proportion. Let's be honest, his throwing motion wasn't even a problem this season.

[Project KSL]

Yeh i know luck goes number 1 no question but before when there was speculation he would leave school there was no talk really of newton or gabbert in the top 10. At all

Gabbert was still #2 on everyone's board.,, and if Cam Newton can go top 10 this year (which he will), then Gabbert would of gone top 10 in a class with Luck. Your logic is flawed, Luck made his decision in January. Are you aware of how much things change from January to April, EVERY YEAR? Gabbert was McShay's #1 QB the instant Luck decided to return to Stanford. He's done nothing but improve his stock since. Great wonderlic, ran a great 40, had a very good pro day. Mike Mayock said he was further along then Matt Ryan was, and compared it to Sam
Bradford's. I don't understand how you can claim you liked Freeman a ton, but then hate all over Gabbert. Explain this.

[johnlimburg]

Gabbert was still #2 on everyone's board.,, and if Cam Newton can go top 10 this year (which he will), then Gabbert would of gone top 10 in a class with Luck. Your logic is flawed, Luck made his decision in January. Are you aware of how much things change from January to April, EVERY YEAR? Gabbert was McShay's #1 QB the instant Luck decided to return to Stanford. He's done nothing but improve his stock since. Great wonderlic, ran a great 40, had a very good pro day. Mike Mayock said he was further along then Matt Ryan was, and compared it to Sam
Bradford's. I don't understand how you can claim you liked Freeman a ton, but then hate all over Gabbert. Explain this.

I think you have misunderstood me a little. I dont hate gabbert. I just think he deserves his hype. Its just my opinion. I liked freeman as an all around player and wouldnt not have minded if we picked him over mereno/ayers. However gabbert just seems so un ready to make a transition to the NFL. He has flashes of brilliance like jay cutler did but isnt consistant enough. I would take mallet over him. I bet if Mallet didnt have character issues he would be rated number QB in the class.

And yes im a lot aware of what changes from april. A hell of a lot. And that is one of the things i dislike about the process. A player who gains ground like Gabbert when the season is done because of measurables and all other stuff scares me. Where a player should be graded is the football field. Thats a huge reason why I dislike the NFL combine and media scouts.

Also you dont know really know if gabbert was laways rated as number 2 on teams boards. I would say that during the season locker and mallet and newton were rated behind luck and ahead of gabbert.

[Project KSL]

Mallett doesn't have character concerns. I'm not knocking you for bringing them up, because the media seems to think that being a college student means you're a bad person. But in reality, he has done nothing to the degree that Cam has in cheating and stealing laptops. Those are character concerns.

Ryan Mallett drinks.....in college. RED FLAG

Ryan Mallett has been linked to a party where drugs were possibly used. RED FLAG

It's garbage. Mallett has legit concerns as an NFL prospect. Such as his complete lack of mobilty, but as far as a pure passer he's the best of the class, him being a statue in the pocket is what's really concerning. Looks a lot like Byron Lefwich in many ways.

[catsigater]

Mallett doesn't have character concerns. I'm not knocking you for bringing them up, because the media seems to think that being a college student means you're a bad person. But in reality, he has done nothing to the degree that Cam has in cheating and stealing laptops. Those are character concerns.

Ryan Mallett drinks.....in college. RED FLAG

Ryan Mallett has been linked to a party where drugs were possibly used. RED FLAG

It's garbage. Mallett has legit concerns as an NFL prospect. Such as his complete lack of mobilty, but as far as a pure passer he's the best of the class, him being a statue in the pocket is what's really concerning. Looks a lot like Byron Lefwich in many ways.

Mallet's decision making is suspect. Both on and off the field.

[johnlimburg]

Mallett doesn't have character concerns. I'm not knocking you for bringing them up, because the media seems to think that being a college student means you're a bad person. But in reality, he has done nothing to the degree that Cam has in cheating and stealing laptops. Those are character concerns.

Ryan Mallett drinks.....in college. RED FLAG

Ryan Mallett has been linked to a party where drugs were possibly used. RED FLAG

It's garbage. Mallett has legit concerns as an NFL prospect. Such as his complete lack of mobilty, but as far as a pure passer he's the best of the class, him being a statue in the pocket is what's really concerning. Looks a lot like Byron Lefwich in many ways.

Exactly. Its the same with jimmy smith. He is made to look like a bad kid because he had some drink and smoked dope. Things a hell of a lot of college students do.

However the cocaine is a different thing. Thats is the sort of thing that sends people over the edge. Sure nothing is proven but im fine with pot and drink. But not cocaine or the purple drank of which jamarcus russel was using and dealing or whatever.

Plus the concern about his mobility is crap IMO. I think he has limited mobility obviously but on the field i would say he is a complete statue. He isnt like orton who looks like he will trip when ever he moves.

I would take mallet in the second if he was there and we wanted a QB.

PS: Dont get me wrong. I dont want to draft a QB.

[Project KSL]

Mallet's decision making is suspect. Both on and off the field.

I just don't buy that. I don't care that he drink/drank/drinks. He's in college. It's what you do. The drug issue, he's never failed a piss test. There's reports about cocaine and pot, but they're just reports. Worst case scenario, even if the coke issue is true, he's young, and he's going to try things. Good and bad. If it was a legitimate issue don't you think there'd be some actual proof? I don't know. I just don't care I guess. Those aren't "character concerns" to me. I consider that being young, with a name, and living in life while going to college,

[kliquid]

None of the QBs in this draft would've had a first ground last year, period.

None of them would've gone before Jimmy Clausen.

No I'm not high kid.

Even if what you're saying is true, how is that relevant to the conversation whatsoever? We're talking about 2011. Not 2010.

Just because you have this crack-headed opinion that Tim Tebow is a better QB prospect than any QB in this draft (this opinion literally makes me laugh out loud), doesn't mean that anyone who actually is making the decisions does.

Newsflash: You don't run the Broncos.

The people in charge have made it more than clear that they are not satisfied with Tebow and are at LEAST interested in finding another quarterback.

Your opinion means literally nothing about what will happen. You can say, "We shouldn't draft a QB," but that doesn't mean it's not going to happen.

We all know they arent sold, but at this point to spend another high round pick on a quarterback even from i financial standpoint is sheer stupidity.

Welcome to the NFL, where 'stupid' decisions are made on a yearly basis.

The Broncos are not immune to the disease.

[jayjayusa]

Big Ben, hyper mega party jock, and he still was successfull, that's bull.
You don't need to be a role model in my opinion. As long as you're not lazy and you give it all you've got inside the pitch that's good enough.
But talking about Cam, how crazy would it be to play in a wildcat with Cam, Tebow and Orton? lmao multiple run, passing and receiving options.

[johnlimburg]

Big Ben, hyper mega party jock, and he still was successfull, that's bull.
You don't need to be a role model in my opinion. As long as you're not lazy and you give it all you've got inside the pitch that's good enough.
But talking about Cam, how crazy would it be to play in a wildcat with Cam, Tebow and Orton? lmao multiple run, passing and receiving options.

Well with john fox as head coach i doubt we will being playing any fancy packages like wildcat with 3 Qbs in the game.

[Project KSL]

Hopefully when we draft a QB we won't kill Tebow's value. That's going to be interesting. As it is, I think we could maybe get a 2nd. But he's going to require a very special suitor. It's gonna be fun.

[johnlimburg]

Hopefully when we draft a QB we won't kill Tebow's value. That's going to be interesting. As it is, I think we could maybe get a 2nd. But he's going to require a very special suitor. It's gonna be fun.

That is a huge question also. Hopefully if we do plan on taking a QB (which i dont want to do) they would probaly put together a plan to maybe bamboozal (cant spell) everyone.

Hypothetical plan:

It comes to pick 34. The buffalo bills passed up on cam newton and gabbert went first overall. Locker went to seatle and the bills are on the clock in 2 picks. We call and trade tebow for the 34th pick. Then when we are on the clock we take Ryan Mallet and then immediatly try to work a deal to move Kyle Orton to arizona or minnasota for there second round pick. Keeps all there value high. We get our future starter and more picks in the second round. Win win. I know it is really unrealsistic but they would put some plan together to get max value and show they are not giving up on tebow to keep his value high.

Obviously only if a CBA is in place.

PS: I dont want to draft a QB as I beleive tebow is the answer but if it does happen then I want Ryan Mallet.

[-Rod-]

Hopefully when we draft a QB we won't kill Tebow's value. That's going to be interesting. As it is, I think we could maybe get a 2nd. But he's going to require a very special suitor. It's gonna be fun.

I don't think it would take a very special suitor to trade Tebow. He is not the only scrambling quarterback coming from a spread offense. And he does not come with the risk of failing due to lack of commitment. The teams who want Tebow know they are going to get a quarterback with the necessary work ethic and leadership skills.

Buffalo, Minnesota, New England and Cleveland were some of the teams with strong interest in Tebow, according to his agent. I don't know which draft pick would be available for him, but I am sure there would be more than one team after the kid.