What do you think of.....

[marcus_miller]

Drafting Patrick Peterson with the 2nd overall pick.
Then taking Kyle Orton and a 3rd rd pick and trading them to Washington for DT Albert Hansworth. I know it's risky for Denver to make this trade because of all of the issues that he has had with Washington but the guy immediately upgrades the D line and is proven in a 4-3. Plus we have 2 play making Corners then using the rest of the draft to grab youth on the line. I think if that is opportunity arose that we should pull the trigger without thinking twice.

Love it, love it, love it!!! How about Orton and Lloyd for Haynesworth and their 2nd or 3rd

[THEdraftnik]

Well, not to seem like I'm arguing just to argue, but Dareus can beat a college single team with ease. Put him up against Logan Mankins and we'll see how he does...

What about players like Mike Goff, Louis Vasquez, and Bruce Cambell? We seem to play them more often, and I like Marcell's chances.

[SoundsOfSuccess]

What about players like Mike Goff, Louis Vasquez, and Bruce Cambell? We seem to play them more often, and I like Marcell's chances.

Still, they're all better than the guys he faced this year.

[toothpick]

Problem is that every team you state that has a "sub par" secondary either plays a 3-4 and has a ELITE safety. Problem is that Denver is moving back to a 4-3, a Projected depth chart would be this if what you read above took place.

LE: Ayers DT: Albert Hansworth Kevin Vickerson RE: Doom
WLB: DJ Williams MLB: ??? SLM: ???

CB: Champ Baily S: Dawkins? "I hope not" S:??? CB: Patrick Peterson

Other that the players that are still yet to be determined how does this not give everyone goose bumps and make you want to do a happy dance?
Our front 7 WOULD be getting pressure who are you going to double Big Albert?
or doom? who are you going to throw at Champ? or Peterson? very simple concept here people...just read slowly

[marcus_miller]

Problem is that every team you state that has a "sub par" secondary either plays a 3-4 and has a ELITE safety. Problem is that Denver is moving back to a 4-3, a Projected depth chart would be this if what you read above took place.

LE: Ayers DT: Albert Hansworth Kevin Vickerson RE: Doom
WLB: DJ Williams MLB: ??? SLM: ???

CB: Champ Baily S: Dawkins? "I hope not" S:??? CB: Patrick Peterson

Other that the players that are still yet to be determined how does this not give everyone goose bumps and make you want to do a happy dance?
Our front 7 WOULD be getting pressure who are you going to double Big Albert?
or doom? who are you going to throw at Champ? or Peterson? very simple concept here people...just read slowly

That DL looks great for a 4-3, 4-3 grrr I hate even saying it but, that's a whole other topic ( Allen is likely to employ several fronts ). I think Goodman would start at the other corner, PP could start at FS day 1 and transition to CB next year or when Goodman leaves or Champ moves to FS ( all of which is going to happen in a year or two ).

Goodman is a great CB when healthy and still under contract. It takes a year or two for a DB to play CB, though I'm sure PP could play FS day 1 ( Berry did well in KC though he is a true S). With PP as a deep center field type S. Dawk would thrive in the box for one more year. Big changes are a year or two away in our secondary, bank on it, age and contracts.

That's my fix. As for LB, we need a draftee and a FA for sure. While people love some of our back ups they are career back ups in my mind. IDK maybe Hunter and Woodyard might fit a SLB role and Haggan at MLB, for a year anyway. I just don't see any of them being elite.

[THEdraftnik]

Problem is that every team you state that has a "sub par" secondary either plays a 3-4 and has a ELITE safety. Problem is that Denver is moving back to a 4-3, a Projected depth chart would be this if what you read above took place.

LE: Ayers DT: Albert Hansworth Kevin Vickerson RE: Doom
WLB: DJ Williams MLB: ??? SLM: ???

CB: Champ Baily S: Dawkins? "I hope not" S:??? CB: Patrick Peterson

Other that the players that are still yet to be determined how does this not give everyone goose bumps and make you want to do a happy dance?
Our front 7 WOULD be getting pressure who are you going to double Big Albert?
or doom? who are you going to throw at Champ? or Peterson? very simple concept here people...just read slowly

I said Giants too.

If we pick up Haynesworthless, Im still liking Dareus there.

But I wouldnt mind Von.

No to Peterson. Just no.

[Touch_30_Down]

I share my birthday with Albert Haynesworth. This June he'll be turning 30.
He's not in great shape, and he hasn't been dominant in a while. What makes you think he'll be even close to what he used to be?
Not only that but imagine how he will effect a defense that is trying to rebuild with youth. Think about the mentor he is going to be to the young defensive linemen...
I don't want a cancer like that on our team.
And Vickerson is not some great DT, he's a solid backup but as a starter he is average to below average compared to other DT. He definitely doesn't offer much as a pass rushing tackle for sure.

Draft Dareus or Fairley and get a young stud in that line.
How many times do we need to point to the examples of how the Giants got by with a great front 7 with a subpar secondary when they won the Super Bowl.
How well the Steelers did with an overall poor secondary (Troy is a great player, but even he doesn't make that secondary anything more than maybe and it is a stretch an average secondary).
Have you watched the Ravens? Same scenario except with Reed (mind you that defense still looked good when Reed was gone...)
Front 7 is what we need. And specifically defensive tackle which is KEY for a 4-3 defense's pass rush.

Don't even compare Peterson to Eric Berry as a safety. Eric Berry was god at that position through his college career. Peterson might be a better athlete, but he cannot compare to the football player Berry is. Berry's instincts, great football IQ, and his hard hits are what make him such a great safety.

[toothpick]

AH hasnt been GOOD because he is playing on a team that runs a 3-4 and is used as a Nose Tackle. We would be giving up close to nothing for a guy who is potentially an all pro DT in a 4-3. I would bet that he comes in an immediately upgrades our front 7. No doubt ...

[Touch_30_Down]

AH hasnt been GOOD because he is playing on a team that runs a 3-4 and is used as a Nose Tackle. We would be giving up close to nothing for a guy who is potentially an all pro DT in a 4-3. I would bet that he comes in an immediately upgrades our front 7. No doubt ...

-His last good year was two years ago, how do you know you are going to be getting the same player?
-He is going to be 30 years old, we all know that most players have peaked by then
-He has never played a complete season since his rookie year (he didn't even start)
-He has been shown to be in terrible shape
-He is not young, and will not do anything for us in the future, for a team trying to rebuild a whole defense we need to do it through the draft...Obviously building through older players has not worked for us at all...
-People are saying a 3rd or Brandon Lloyd for him, both of which are ridiculous, he is worth MAYBE a 5th right now

Then again, he is such a great leader and outstanding role model for young players.

[johnlimburg]

Haynsworth would command a double team on every single snap as would Dumervil. It would open holes for hopefully for Ayers and another DT we draft. Maybe Paea.

That would be a sweet line.

AYERS-----HAYNSWORTH-----PAEA-----DUMERVIL

[japfaff]

And to add to that, by having dual elite corners, you can now comfortably play your safeties closer to the line, thus increasing likelihood the ball carrier will be tackled for less yards.

It's a domino reaction, really.

Wait Dual elite CB's??? Since when is PP elite? He has yet to wear an NFL jersey let alone suit up for one.... He is far from elite and there is no guarantee that he will become elite

[japfaff]

So you're telling me that Deion Sanders wasn't worth the 5th pick? champ wasnt worth the 7th? both were top 10 picks among others I'm sure. I don't know what NFL you watch but its a passing league now days and you have to be able to create turnovers if you can lock up and shutdown the both sides of the field it not only creates more time for our FRONT 7 to get after the QB. But its forces teams to run the ball.
draft Patrick Peterson and then you trade whatever some low end draft picks for AH. That fixes so many holes in our D with just those two moves.

kthanks

Ok....How many play off games did their drafting teams win....0. Bailey, Sanders, Woodson, Samual.... None are with their original teams....Why? Cause top Tier CB's just aren't that critical. That makes them easy to pick up in FA, or through trade. How often does a young dominate front 7 player come available? The only time that happens is when the team just decides not to pay anyone (ala Panthers last season). I am not saying that Champ wasn't worth the 7th pick. It is just a phenomenally stupid pick to make when we have 10 holes on the D. CB is the last one that needs to be filled. If we insist on improving the CB opposite champ then fine use a 3rd round pick and groom him. You don't need to be elite to make plays, you don't need to be elite to help your ball club....But we need a dominate front 7 if we wanna turn this D around

[Touch_30_Down]

Haynsworth would command a double team on every single snap as would Dumervil. It would open holes for hopefully for Ayers and another DT we draft. Maybe Paea.

That would be a sweet line.

AYERS-----HAYNSWORTH-----PAEA-----DUMERVIL

I love how you say this when Haynesworth is FAR from a sure thing.
And I really would LOVEEEEEE to have him in my locker room.

[Murph2432]

I love this idea! Haynesworth does have issues but I do think he will do more good then bad if he came to denver. I think denver has the right players to make sure albert mind is in the right place. It fills a huge hole and we could focus on our secondary. I wouldnt mind getting peterson or miller with the second pick. Doom Haynesworth Vickerson Ayers will provide the pressure Denver has been looking for. Depending on how Ayers does of course. Im prayer is does well but if not we know he will be good against stopping the run.
With possibly being able to put pressure on the Qb again will allow Champ Bailey to get the credit he deserves again and have all the people who say he is getting too old to be silent.

With picking Peterson #2 overall. I think we should go after either Martez Wilson and Casey Matthews! Either one I would be happy with. Im routing for Casey more because his family tree has all winners in it. I know it doesnt mean he is going to good but their track record is to good to pass on IMO.

#2 Peterson
#36 Paea
#46 Wilson or (I know it may be a reach) Casey Matthews

The rest of our picks can go to either TE/RB/ or FS

[toothpick]

-His last good year was two years ago, how do you know you are going to be getting the same player?
-He is going to be 30 years old, we all know that most players have peaked by then
-He has never played a complete season since his rookie year (he didn't even start)
-He has been shown to be in terrible shape
-He is not young, and will not do anything for us in the future, for a team trying to rebuild a whole defense we need to do it through the draft...Obviously building through older players has not worked for us at all...
-People are saying a 3rd or Brandon Lloyd for him, both of which are ridiculous, he is worth MAYBE a 5th right now

Then again, he is such a great leader and outstanding role model for young players.

Their is NO proof that he is in bad shape