What do you think of.....

[johnlimburg]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Broncos-attempted-to-trade-Ryan-Harris-last-season.html

I think he knows we have a new front office now

[SoundsOfSuccess]

I think he knows we have a new front office now

Regardless. And Xanders is still around.

[johnlimburg]

Regardless. And Xanders is still around.

I dont think it will play on his mind. Mcdaniels was the man. I dont think it will bother him

[SoundsOfSuccess]

I dont think it will play on his mind. Mcdaniels was the man. I dont think it will bother him

Just stop. Neither of us have any idea. Get over your ego and quit arguing about pointless things.

[johnlimburg]

Just stop. Neither of us have any idea. Get over your ego and quit arguing about pointless things.

Calm down brother. I know neither of us do. You just snapped. We were talking normal and you get out of control. Calm down.

Plus you brought up the trade thing. Not me. And how did my comment show my ego. We both were supporting our own stances.

[Gossage970]

Good Job.

Toothpick I think you are right on the money here. I've argued that after the signing of Champ Bailey, the Broncos should still draft Peterson in the first round of the 011 NFL Draft, trade for Haynesworth and sign Ngata to a healthy contract. A trade for Haynesworth could be accomplished easily due to his status at this time. I believe the Broncos could inherit the talent of Haynesworth with an offer other than Kyle Orton. I don't like to say, "of lesser value". Who am I to judge a persons value, but I think a trade for Haynes... with E. Royal might be a possibility. I imagine Albert to be eager to get out of Washington and might consider negotiating with a coach that defines what is titled a player's coach.

[johnlimburg]

Toothpick I think you are right on the money here. I've argued that after the signing of Champ Bailey, the Broncos should still draft Peterson in the first round of the 011 NFL Draft, trade for Haynesworth and sign Ngata to a healthy contract. A trade for Haynesworth could be accomplished easily due to his status at this time. I believe the Broncos could inherit the talent of Haynesworth with an offer other than Kyle Orton. I don't like to say, "of lesser value". Who am I to judge a persons value, but I think a trade for Haynes... with E. Royal might be a possibility. I imagine Albert to be eager to get out of Washington and might consider negotiating with a coach that defines what is titled a player's coach.

I bet you 100% that Ravens do not let Ngata go anywhere for free or in a trade. They have franchised him I beleive and will give him a huge contract.

[Touch_30_Down]

I think we need to continue to sign and trade for older linemen. This strategy has brought us a lot of success in the past.

[johnlimburg]

I think we need to continue to sign and trade for older linemen. This strategy has brought us a lot of success in the past.

Im guessing this is a sarcastic response.

But if we ignore the superior talent of top 5 DTs we will continue to struggle

[toothpick]

Im going to take a look at Dline men taken top 5 since 2000 so we can see the boom to bust ratio.

2000 NFL Draft- Cleavland-Courtney Brown. BUST if i remember I think he even played for us at one point lol. 1st pick in that years draft.

2001 Cleavland- Gerard Warren again... another guy that was no good came to Denver played OK but for where he was drafted he was a bust.

Cincy drafted Justin Smith who played well for them then signed with San fran.
boom..
2002 Julius peppers- Carolina One of the best Linemen to come out of the draft BOOOOOOOOOM.

2003-Dewayne Robertson - jets BUST....

2004- No linemen were taken in the top 5 so I'll take a look at some of the dudes taken in the 1st rnd that year.Because there were a few that could go down as HOF's

Tommie Harris- Bears good solid DT
Vince Wilfork- Patriots Best in the business imo aside from ngata
Marcus Tubbs- seattle bust....

2005- None taken top 5 again

2006- None were taken in the top 5 but of course, Haloti Ngata was taken 12th by the Ravens.

2007- Gaines Adams was taken 4th by the Buc's RIP never made it to a pro bowl and I dont think he was given enough time to develop into the player he could have been.
That was also the year we took Jarvis moss in the 1st rnd.

2008- Chris Long was taken by St. Louis and has shown improvement so not yet a bust.
Glenn Dorsey- By Kansas City bust.....

2009 Tyson Jackson- KC hasn't shown anyone anything...Bust...

2010 - Ndamukong Suh or who I like to call kingkong suh Best Defensive linemen to come out of the draft since peppers imo
Gerald McCoy- also wasn't a pro bowler in his first season as a pro but helped make the buc's D a little more sound.

I've went over all the top 5 picks since the 2000 nfl draft and it came out to be 11 Defensive linemen out of all 11 of those only 3 has made it to the pro bowl at least once. Meaning the Hit to miss ratio ins't very if you're in the market for a Defensive linemen and you're picking top 5. Teams have a habbit of making the stretch and taking a guy like Tyson Jackson top 5 when he is a 15-20 guy looking for that Julius peppers of Ndamukong Suh.

So what i say to all this information draft Patrick Peterson

[johnlimburg]

Cool story but no. Unless we draft someone who offers something in terms of pass rush or run stopping ie. A linebacker-Defensive End-Defensive Tackle we will continue to suck.

Goodman is fine as is Champ. Cox and Syd are good nickel guys and backups. Vaughn is a depth return specilists.

[toothpick]

Well I'm glad you don't run the organization. Best player on the board in going to fall right into our arms "Patrick Peterson" The math is there and you still want to go with the unsafe D linemen out of desperation not because he is the best.
We go with Marcell darruis and we will be back in the top 5 of picks next year.

[johnlimburg]

Well I'm glad you don't run the organization. Best player on the board in going to fall right into our arms "Patrick Peterson" The math is there and you still want to go with the unsafe D linemen out of desperation not because he is the best.
We go with Marcell darruis and we will be back in the top 5 of picks next year.

OK. Haha. And from what you just said im plenty sure my opinion is much more logical and makes 100% more sense. PP may be the BPA. I personally think 2nd best behind AJ Green. But were we terrible at the cornerback position last year. Completely terrible. No we were not.

Where did we struggle: Pass Rush-Run Defense

What positions help fix these two areas. Linebackers-Defensive Tackles-Defensive Ends. Not cornerback.

Since football was football it has been said. It starts in the trenches and that is right. A cornerback is a sexy and exciting pick and trust me I would love to pick a cornerback like PP to play opposite of Champ but we dont have that luzury and we dont need him.

Im down for Nick Fairley-Marcel Dareus-Von Miller. Anyone but a CB.

Please tell me how your thought of how a cornerback will help this team improve the pass rush or run defense as much as a player like a backer-end or tackle. And how would the pretty much concensus pick of a DT-DE-LB put us back into the top 5 when in fact a CB is more likely to that.

Also I think most knowledgable football fans understand that PP will not be the pick. Hopefully the front office use there brains on this one aswell. And also I dont care if PP turns into a probowler after two years. It still wouldnt have been the right move for this organisation.

If he comes here I will support him though cause I think he is a talented player.

I will CP bet you that we dont pick PP

[Lomax]

Well I'm glad you don't run the organization. Best player on the board in going to fall right into our arms "Patrick Peterson" The math is there and you still want to go with the unsafe D linemen out of desperation not because he is the best.
We go with Marcell darruis and we will be back in the top 5 of picks next year.

BPA is a great way to draft, however, in this case, we can get BPA and shore up what has been a massive need for well over a decade. Pass rush!

Essentially, the question is, how much better do we get if we add a stud CB?

Answer: We add significant depth at CB, but since Goodman is pretty good, we only get marginally better defensively, in the area of coverage, coverage sacks, and turnovers (a good thing).

Now, how much better do we get if we add the best pass rusher in the draft?

Answer: Night and day, since we have zero pass rush. Losing Doom almost single-handedly dropped us into the gutter of NFL defenses. Adding a premier pass rusher will have the opposite effect. And yes, I know we're getting Doom back, but he is a part-time DE who is good for maybe 10 sacks. Who will get the rest of our sacks and hurries? Vickerson? Ayers? A premier pass rusher will spell trouble for offensive lines and QBs for many years to come and make all of our linemen better at rushing the passer.

[johnlimburg]

BPA is a great way to draft, however, in this case, we can get BPA and shore up what has been a massive need for well over a decade. Pass rush!

Essentially, the question is, how much better do we get if we add a stud CB?

Answer: We add significant depth at CB, but since Goodman is pretty good, we only get marginally better defensively, in the area of coverage, coverage sacks, and turnovers (a good thing).

Now, how much better do we get if we add the best pass rusher in the draft?

Answer: Night and day, since we have zero pass rush. Losing Doom almost single-handedly dropped us into the gutter of NFL defenses. Adding a premier pass rusher will have the opposite effect. And yes, I know we're getting Doom back, but he is a part-time DE who is good for maybe 10 sacks. Who will get the rest of our sacks and hurries? Vickerson? Ayers? A premier pass rusher will spell trouble for offensive lines and QBs for many years to come and make all of our linemen better at rushing the passer.

Great post. I will give you some more CP when I can. Just gave you one like an hour go.

Anyway.

You may get the same response I got: Thankgod your not running the organisation