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[SoundsOfSuccess]

You just named 3 out of 30 DEs who are huge. I'll even give you Greg Hardy.

2/6 of his current DEs are not average height guys.

His DEs last season my bad*

[broncos SB2010]

You just named 3 out of 30 DEs who are huge. I'll even give you Greg Hardy.

2/6 of his current DEs are not average height guys.

You have to remember none of those other guys are starters and Fox had zero say in the past draft. He and the personnel department did not agree on who they should draft So I wouldn't take too much stock in the recent acquistions at DE as being how Fox likes his players.

Carolina's current DEs

Brayton..6-6, 280..45 starts in 3 years with panthers...current starter
Everette Brown..6-1, 256 3 starts in 2 years
Hardy..6-4, 277...0 starts as a rookie but outplayed Brown with less playing time
Johnson..6-2, 275...20 starts in 4 years..current starter

Hilee Taylor...6-2, 250..0 starts, not on 2010 roster

Norwood is an OLB, not a DE. In reality they only had 4 DEs on their roster and only 1 of them was under 275 and only 1 was under 6-2.

Since 2005 the only other DEs to start are:
Kindal Moorehead in 2007, 6-2, 287, 1 start
Al wallace in 2006, 6-5, 275, 1 start and 2 starts in 2005

Tell me how how much Fox likes the shorter, smaller DEs.

[broncos SB2010]

I was thinking of Everette Brown, who is only slighty bigger than Doom.

Brown has 3 starts in 2 years. Not really a huge part of the defense.

[THEdraftnik]

Brown has 3 starts in 2 years. Not really a huge part of the defense.

My post didnt say he was.

[broncos SB2010]

My post didnt say he was.

true, but you did say Fox has a history of using undersized DEs and used Brown as an example. That isn't really true unless you count on ST and in a rotation with very limited playing time.

[THEdraftnik]

true, but you did say Fox has a history of using undersized DEs and used Brown as an example. That isn't really true unless you count on ST and in a rotation with very limited playing time.

Well, I was too lazy to look up any others. Brown was the first to come to mind.

Doom>>>>> Brown

So I think you will see Fox utilize Doom in the same ways, just more frequently.

[knoxman36and2]

While I believe Doom will still be effective as a pass rusher, I do have concerns about his ability to stop the run. Even as a pass rusher, he hasn't historically done as well at DE as he did in 09 as an OLB. I truly believe we are hamstringing him somewhat by moving back to a 4-3.

Don't get me wrong, I still expect Doom to have some sacks this year, I just don't expect the numbers to be at the level they were in 09 when he was playing the OLB in a 3-4. We will see what happens, I'd certainly love to eat crow on this one!

[ironfootball39]

While I believe Doom will still be effective as a pass rusher, I do have concerns about his ability to stop the run. Even as a pass rusher, he hasn't historically done as well at DE as he did in 09 as an OLB. I truly believe we are hamstringing him somewhat by moving back to a 4-3.

Don't get me wrong, I still expect Doom to have some sacks this year, I just don't expect the numbers to be at the level they were in 09 when he was playing the OLB in a 3-4. We will see what happens, I'd certainly love to eat crow on this one!

Perfect response. Think there is concern enough from decreased potential after this position change to warrant Jon fox or elway to think about trading him? Not a good idea to think about but they must evaluate every player