The Leaks Confirm, Miller To Be The Pick

[crash123go]

Patrick Peterson shadows the other teams' number one, and Chris harris plays either number two or nickel...

I would put covering the nickel just as hard if not harder then covering the number 1 unless its CJJR or Fitz. The nickel is a much harder position then to battle then a lot of outside wr

[#24 Next Champ]

Just to put my two cents in on the quick mini-debate...

Chris Harris is probably the best nickel CB in the NFL and he's still a damn good outside corner which most don't recognize. He is exceptionally physical at the LOS and in general, and he has terrific instincts and a good understanding of how to play man coverage, especially in the slot as a nickel...Chris Harris is a stud (I hope that weight gain he had doesn't slow him down tho, Welker ran right by him in that one vid) anyhow...Harris is a great CB and as most know a dominant NCB which is in a way more difficult than playing outside...depending on plenty other things (regarding previous post talking about whether outside or inside is more difficult) ...again Harris imo is the best nickel in the NFL

Patrick Peterson is also a special player...he hasn't completely got the position down yet but if he does he's a legitimate outside CB who is 6'1 and can run with anyone...he probably didn't play better than Chris Harris (Harris is that good) but if you asked me who I'd most likely want starting a team (this also again depends on many factors obviously) but there's a good chance I go PP...but passing on Harris would be tough he's a damn good football player and CB

[crash123go]

Just to put my two cents in on the quick mini-debate...

Chris Harris is probably the best nickel CB in the NFL and he's still a damn good outside corner which most don't recognize. He is exceptionally physical at the LOS and in general, and he has terrific instincts and a good understanding of how to play man coverage, especially in the slot as a nickel...Chris Harris is a stud (I hope that weight gain he had doesn't slow him down tho, Welker ran right by him in that one vid) anyhow...Harris is a great CB and as most know a dominant NCB which is in a way more difficult than playing outside...depending on plenty other things (regarding previous post talking about whether outside or inside is more difficult) ...again Harris imo is the best nickel in the NFL

Patrick Peterson is also a special player...he hasn't completely got the position down yet but if he does he's a legitimate outside CB who is 6'1 and can run with anyone...he probably didn't play better than Chris Harris (Harris is that good) but if you asked me who I'd most likely want starting a team (this also again depends on many factors obviously) but there's a good chance I go PP...but passing on Harris would be tough he's a damn good football player and CB

What solves the conversation for me is Harris graded out as the 4th best cb while playing outside and in the slot which he can do both at high level while PP only plays outside

[Matymaddog]

Patrick Peterson shadows the other teams' number one, and Chris harris plays either number two or nickel...

And he gets beat by them.

[theMileHighGuy]

And he gets beat by them.

I can't believe that you believe Harris is better as well, I actually respect your football knowledge quite a bit. Last year PP went against Sidney Rice x2, Stevie Johnson, Crabtree x2, Jennings, Julio and Rodney, Megatron, and BMarsh (he may have covered welker in the pats game, but I doubt it). Chris harris is amazing, but he would've gotten annihilated against that level of competition.

[crash123go]

I can't believe that you believe Harris is better as well, I actually respect your football knowledge quite a bit. Last year PP went against Sidney Rice x2, Stevie Johnson, Crabtree x2, Jennings, Julio and Rodney, Megatron, and BMarsh (he may have covered welker in the pats game, but I doubt it). Chris harris is amazing, but he would've gotten annihilated against that level of competition.

Same as PP then cause he gets beat more then a number 1 cb should. I would put money right now that if there was a redraft both Chris Harris and Richard Sherman get drafted before PP.

PP is good but doesn't have the instincts or the toughness that Chris Harris brings. He is a top 10 NFL athlete still learning to play cb

[Matymaddog]

I can't believe that you believe Harris is better as well, I actually respect your football knowledge quite a bit. Last year PP went against Sidney Rice x2, Stevie Johnson, Crabtree x2, Jennings, Julio and Rodney, Megatron, and BMarsh (he may have covered welker in the pats game, but I doubt it). Chris harris is amazing, but he would've gotten annihilated against that level of competition.

Patrick Peterson obviously has more upside with his athleticism and size but Chris Harris played much smarter last year. I'm not choosing one over the other. It's difficult to compare the two considering they play two separate roles. Sidney Rice is average. He's had a total of one good season his entire NFL career. I'm simply pointing out that Patrick Peterson had a very shaky season last year. Yea he had great year statistically but he also made a lot of bone-headed mistakes that cost his teams

However, as Pro Football Focus found in their coverage stats showing the best and worst, Peterson fared among the worst statistically. Let's take a look.

Peterson was picked on a lot by opposing quarterbacks. Only four other corners were thrown at more. He was targeted 113 times and allowed 67 catches, the third highest total in the league. That converts to an almost 60 percent completion against rate. The completion rate isn't near the worst, but it is definitely below average.

Another stat to note is that Peterson also allowed the third most yards in coverage. He allowed 869 yards.

On the bright side, he was not among he worst in everything. His QB rating against was right around average. When throwing at PP, their rating was 85.0. The very best rating was a paltry 45.6 (Darrelle Revis) and the worst was 129.9 (Quentin Jammer).

He was also penalized 10 times.

Now, if you look at his game logs, you will see inconsistency. There were four games in which he gave more than 90 yards. They were Week 1, 4, 11 and 13. Then there was Week 16 against the Bengals when he was only thrown at twice and did not give up a catch.

If by simply watching him over the year, you will noticed this -- after the first few weeks, when he was asked to cover down the field, he did well. He stayed hip-to-hip with the opponents' top receivers. It was underneath he had issues with tackling and spacing.

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/201...-in-a-good-way

2012 NFL Season Total:
Total qualifying plays: 313
Failed coverages: 116
Shutdowns: 48
In Position: 149
Peterson’s success rate for the season: 62.9%

In Comparison to Richard Sherman:
Total qualifying plays: 380
Failed coverages: 70
Shutdowns: 86
In Position: 224
Sherman’s success rate for the season: 81%

http://presnapreads.com/2013/05/19/p...e-the-verdict/


Yet this kid (patrick peterson) is walking around beating his chest saying he's the best corner in the NFL

[theMileHighGuy]

Patrick Peterson obviously has more upside with his athleticism and size but Chris Harris played much smarter last year. I'm not choosing one over the other. It's difficult to compare the two considering they play two separate roles. Sidney Rice is average. He's had a total of one good season his entire NFL career. I'm simply pointing out that Patrick Peterson had a very shaky season last year. Yea he had great year statistically but he also made a lot of bone-headed mistakes that cost his teams

Yes. That argument has been established. How do those stats change the fact, at all, that PP was facing the best receivers in the game and Harris was not?

This conversation it stupid.

[Matymaddog]

Yes. That argument has been established. How do those stats change the fact, at all, that PP was facing the best receivers in the game and Harris was not?

This conversation it stupid.

It doesn't. The fact of the matter is, Patrick Peterson got worked by a fair amount of receivers. So saying Chris Harris would have gotten annihilated is irrelevant considering Patrick Peterson got worked over a fair amount.

[crash123go]

Yes. That argument has been established. How do those stats change the fact, at all, that PP was facing the best receivers in the game and Harris was not?

This conversation it stupid.

Yes it is. PP is the better athlete, Harris is the better cb

[IBeWriteGood]

If the miller rumor is true......I am not sure how I feel about it. I think on paper it is a poor pick. I just am not sure that the difference an olb makes in a 4-3 is great enough to warrant such a high pick. I don't see him as a 3 down player this season and maybe next. But I have been so focused on the dline that I never did my homework here. Even if the pick is Dareus, who I think more than likely will flame out, I think you have to go dline.....You can get a LB anywhere, but Dline has been neglected for so long we need to use these high picks on it. 4-3 lb's are everywhere, but we will c it is just a rumor at this point

Nailed it, as always!

[IBeWriteGood]

It appears as if all the concerns about Miller's talents being wasted in "the 4-3" were unwarranted.

Apparently, a defense doesn't have to have be pigeonholed based nominally on how many d-linemen and LBs are on the field. And to think, Madden only lets me choose between a 3-4 and a 4-3 as my base defense!

I'm confused!

Some of the comments here are the exact reason that I just sort of sit back and cringe when people talk about defensive scheme in terms of "the 3-4" and "the 4-3" - as if there is no flexibility as to what type of role a particular player with a particular set of skills can play in different situations in the scheme.