Aubrayo Franklin?

[Snarfalicious]

Well, it's a new day. Let's hope that we can have some quality news come through here. There's still some potential out there, and let's really hope that the inadequacies of the guys we have at this point in time show through during camp, forcing (hopefully) to make a move for someone.

I still can't figure why on earth Jeremy Jarmon is considered a DT. He'd be a very nice LE project that we could possibly bring in for Doom on running downs, or if we want to stand Doom up as a blitzer. That just doesn't make sense to me.

Anyhow, if they can get Franklin and Thomas in here, I'll settle for that.

[BroncoooJohnson]

Well, it's a new day. Let's hope that we can have some quality news come through here. There's still some potential out there, and let's really hope that the inadequacies of the guys we have at this point in time show through during camp, forcing (hopefully) to make a move for someone.

I still can't figure why on earth Jeremy Jarmon is considered a DT. He'd be a very nice LE project that we could possibly bring in for Doom on running downs, or if we want to stand Doom up as a blitzer. That just doesn't make sense to me.

Anyhow, if they can get Franklin and Thomas in here, I'll settle for that.

he played at 295 as a 3-4 defensive end, he projects well on pass rushing downs from the interior

[Snarfalicious]

he played at 295 as a 3-4 defensive end, he projects well on pass rushing downs from the interior

Yeah, I know that, but you can put on as much weight as you want, if you can't play well with it, then it's all for not.

He's a true 4-3 LE, he played it in college at about 275 where he saw his best success (Voted as an All-SEC first teamer by rivals.com)... He'd still be extremely stout with that weight, which is required as a LE to hold down in run support, but agile enough to get the occasional pressure. His potential is much higher as a LE in a 4-3 than a DT in a 4-3, by far.

I understand the move considering we need some ability at DT, but if we want to get the most out of the guy, you let him go to his natural weight, and put him in a position that would utilize his talents the most.

[BroncoooJohnson]

Yeah, I know that, but you can put on as much weight as you want, if you can't play well with it, then it's all for not.

He's a true 4-3 LE, he played it in college at about 275 where he saw his best success (Voted as an All-SEC first teamer by rivals.com)... He'd still be extremely stout with that weight, which is required as a LE to hold down in run support, but agile enough to get the occasional pressure. His potential is much higher as a LE in a 4-3 than a DT in a 4-3, by far.

I understand the move considering we need some ability at DT, but if we want to get the most out of the guy, you let him go to his natural weight, and put him in a position that would utilize his talents the most.

wellp, my guess would probably be because we have Ayers, Haggan, and Beal, and Miller on passing downs. We should plug him where we can use him

[Cugel]

I saw an interview where he said it wasnt about the money for him he said it was more about staying in Seattle with his family and being happy where you are.

Ill admit I wanted Franklin last year and I still like the guy but he is not always the most consistent player granted these last 2 years he has revitalized his career and somehow swept off the old lazy and unmotivated accusations he used to get. However, I dont want to blow the bank on DT's especially since we are still paying off Williams.

#1 -- We're NOT still paying off Williams because all the dead cap space from cut players gets put onto the 2010 uncapped year. So, you get rid of all dead-wood and don't take a cap hit. It's a "fresh start" and few teams need it more than the Broncos whose management has been so screwed up the last 3 years.

#2 -- Old, over-paid DTs are all you can get in FA UNLESS you win a bidding war for the couple of really GOOD DTs available. Mebane was probably the best of them and EFX whiffed on him.

#3 -- Franklin is "better than a sharp stick in the eye" as my father always used to say. I.e. he's not the worst thing that could happen.

Sure we've been down that road before: Gerrard Warren, Sam Adams, DeWayne Robertson, Jamal Williams, etc.

But, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T DRAFT A DT! You wind up overpaying a FA or scrambling to find a "bargain" in the bargain bin and usually coming up with: Amon Gordon, Antwon Burton, Ron Fields, Jimmy Kennedy, etc.

This year's DeWayne Robertson (former #1 draft pick, but injured -- crossing fingers he'll be effective) would be Ty Warren. This year's Gerrard Warren (decent run defender, no pass-rush) would be Franklin.

My guess though is that they don't get either and enter the season with Vickerson and maybe Thomas as the starters (just kill me now). And Howdie and Doodie as the backups.

[Snarfalicious]

wellp, my guess would probably be because we have Ayers, Haggan, and Beal, and Miller on passing downs. We should plug him where we can use him

I'm guessing that'd have to be it, and they probably figured it would add some athleticism on the inside for passing downs.

[Cugel]

This tells you everything you need to know:

The Broncos wanted to sign both players [Dallas DT Jason Hatcher] on their visits Friday, but didn’t have the cap room to do it. The Broncos have other priorities and want to make sure they can sign those players first. ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported Friday that Denver agreed to terms with running back Willis McGahee. But that deal is not final because of Denver’s cap situation.

Despite the utter-crap DTs they've got and the total failure to draft one, the Broncos have "other priorities."

Like TE and RB.

Now I admit those would be nice to have. But, come November a TE and RB aren't going to prevent Darren McFadden from rushing for 300 yards and 4 TDs against the Broncos defense!

A decent run-stuffing DT might actually help that.

[SoundsOfSuccess]

This tells you everything you need to know:


Despite the utter-crap DTs they've got and the total failure to draft one, the Broncos have "other priorities."

Like TE and RB.

Now I admit those would be nice to have. But, come November a TE and RB aren't going to prevent Darren McFadden from rushing for 300 yards and 4 TDs against the Broncos defense!

A decent run-stuffing DT might actually help that.

Completely wrong here.

A RB actually helps stop the run better than investing more in a DT becuase the easiest way to stop an offense is to not let them have the ball. If McFadden is only able to rush it 15 times, becuase we have long, time consuming drives, not only is he going to rush for less yards, but rush les successfully. Fresh legs on defense constantly, making the other team play from behind with limited time, all caused by a dominant rush attack.

The more weapons you can add to mix up that backfield the better.

[Joshecalpoly]

#1 -- We're NOT still paying off Williams because all the dead cap space from cut players gets put onto the 2010 uncapped year. So, you get rid of all dead-wood and don't take a cap hit. It's a "fresh start" and few teams need it more than the Broncos whose management has been so screwed up the last 3 years.

#2 -- Old, over-paid DTs are all you can get in FA UNLESS you win a bidding war for the couple of really GOOD DTs available. Mebane was probably the best of them and EFX whiffed on him.

#3 -- Franklin is "better than a sharp stick in the eye" as my father always used to say. I.e. he's not the worst thing that could happen.

Sure we've been down that road before: Gerrard Warren, Sam Adams, DeWayne Robertson, Jamal Williams, etc.

But, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T DRAFT A DT! You wind up overpaying a FA or scrambling to find a "bargain" in the bargain bin and usually coming up with: Amon Gordon, Antwon Burton, Ron Fields, Jimmy Kennedy, etc.

This year's DeWayne Robertson (former #1 draft pick, but injured -- crossing fingers he'll be effective) would be Ty Warren. This year's Gerrard Warren (decent run defender, no pass-rush) would be Franklin.

My guess though is that they don't get either and enter the season with Vickerson and maybe Thomas as the starters (just kill me now). And Howdie and Doodie as the backups.

My bad I read somewhere until he signs a new contract the way its structured we still owe him money.

I know Franklin is the best available I just dont like the idea of having to deal out big cash to get a player who until recently was not that consistent and is at an age where he wont be as good as he used to be. Still hes the last player available that is even an upgrade from what we had last year. Jamal wasnt bad even at 35 and coming off an injury infact weld probably of kept him if we didnt sign him for so much in the first place. I still dont think Bannan is a starter despite the praise he got last year Vickerson impressed me more then he did, but Bannan is better then what is currently available after Warren (who may not be healthy) and Franklin.

I dont think Thomas will be a starter I think even if we sign Landri and Hangrove they will beat him out. I know hes revitalized his fanbase and that he those 2 arent much better but I think they can beat him out for a starting position (for what its worth). If at that point any of these guys are starters they are going to hear me scream from Seattle. Heck at this point we might as well just sign Martin Parker and see what he can do since he wont be much worse.

Sadly Fox likes bargain bin DT's he can use in rotation so yeah this is not uncommon for him.

[Snarfalicious]

Completely wrong here.

A RB actually helps stop the run better than investing more in a DT becuase the easiest way to stop an offense is to not let them have the ball. If McFadden is only able to rush it 15 times, becuase we have long, time consuming drives, not only is he going to rush for less yards, but rush les successfully. Fresh legs on defense constantly, making the other team play from behind with limited time, all caused by a dominant rush attack.

The more weapons you can add to mix up that backfield the better.

To be fair, a RB is only as good as the guys blocking in front of him. Over the past couple of years, our run-blocking has been nothing special. Maybe the switch of Franklin to RT, and Beadles to his natural Guard position will help that, but we will have to see. McGahee isn't exactly a premiere RB anymore, but he will help.

On the other hand, we literally will have nothing stopping opposing teams rushing attacks from simply manhandling us. Doom, Vickerson, and Leonard (Ayers will be fine) are going to be attempting to stop opposing runningbacks. That screams problem to me. If you want to have Doom out there for 3 downs, you better be sure the guys next to him can not only help him out, but protect him in the run game.

In a division that had the #1, #2, and #15 rushing attacks (#15 was the Chargers who will probably be much higher if Matthews stays healthy), you're talking about major problems.

I understand that a good running game can be one of the best defenses, but is adding Willis McGahee and Orlando Franklin enough to propel us into the Top 10 (From #26 last year)? It might given that this new regime is going to stress running more. But running more, with the same result of not sustaining drives, is no better than what we had last year.

So, if we really want to be effective, we have to build up the front four to stop the run. If we are giving up an average of 4.0 yards a tote (we gave up 4.7 yards per carry last season) it's going to be the same result as 2010.

[THEdraftnik]

Completely wrong here.

A RB actually helps stop the run better than investing more in a DT becuase the easiest way to stop an offense is to not let them have the ball. If McFadden is only able to rush it 15 times, becuase we have long, time consuming drives, not only is he going to rush for less yards, but rush les successfully. Fresh legs on defense constantly, making the other team play from behind with limited time, all caused by a dominant rush attack.

The more weapons you can add to mix up that backfield the better.

Completely wrong here.

A rb very much helps his team, especially on defense. But unless we are man handling the time of possession by 10 minutes, our defensive tackles are going to get wore down. And quickly.

Because right now, only Vickerson deserves to start at defensive tackle for us. An even he has been man handled in the running game at camp. So we have a guy who should be nothing more than depth starting in Leonard. Well behind these two guys is a defensive end (Jarmon). So when we sub out Vick, we have to put somebody in who is actually worse against the run. Meanwhile KC, SD, and Oakland are using the same concept as you say. A strong rushing game which is keeping our offense off the field and keeping our D on.

[Joshecalpoly]

To be fair, a RB is only as good as the guys blocking in front of him. Over the past couple of years, our run-blocking has been nothing special. Maybe the switch of Franklin to RT, and Beadles to his natural Guard position will help that, but we will have to see. McGahee isn't exactly a premiere RB anymore, but he will help.

On the other hand, we literally will have nothing stopping opposing teams rushing attacks from simply manhandling us. Doom, Vickerson, and Leonard (Ayers will be fine) are going to be attempting to stop opposing runningbacks. That screams problem to me. If you want to have Doom out there for 3 downs, you better be sure the guys next to him can not only help him out, but protect him in the run game.

In a division that had the #1, #2, and #15 rushing attacks (#15 was the Chargers who will probably be much higher if Matthews stays healthy), you're talking about major problems.

I understand that a good running game can be one of the best defenses, but is adding Willis McGahee and Orlando Franklin enough to propel us into the Top 10 (From #26 last year)? It might given that this new regime is going to stress running more. But running more, with the same result of not sustaining drives, is no better than what we had last year.

So, if we really want to be effective, we have to build up the front four to stop the run. If we are giving up an average of 4.0 yards a tote (we gave up 4.7 yards per carry last season) it's going to be the same result as 2010.

If I grinded my teeth every time Larsen fell behind off the snap ild have no teeth left. If i hit the wall every time we let a player into the backfield my knuckles would be gone. The truth is our RB's cant even get the ball handed to them before a defender is ready to hit them. Its hard to stay healthy and its hard to have good stats when thats the case.

There is a reason that teams with elite FB's and good O-lineman have a good RB corps. McGahee is at an age where he is going to be a shell of his former self but he still shows signs of having good endurance. Personally if we could have gotten Bradshaw for a similar price then ild rather have had him despite his health concerns and his fumbles he would have been a good player to have in rotation. Besides that I dont think we had a shot at getting any better

[BroncoSexyDaddy]

Word out here in the bay area is Franklin is trying to resign with the 49ers.

[SoundsOfSuccess]

Completely wrong here.

A rb very much helps his team, especially on defense. But unless we are man handling the time of possession by 10 minutes, our defensive tackles are going to get wore down. And quickly.

Because right now, only Vickerson deserves to start at defensive tackle for us. An even he has been man handled in the running game at camp. So we have a guy who should be nothing more than depth starting in Leonard. Well behind these two guys is a defensive end (Jarmon). So when we sub out Vick, we have to put somebody in who is actually worse against the run. Meanwhile KC, SD, and Oakland are using the same concept as you say. A strong rushing game which is keeping our offense off the field and keeping our D on.

This team has depth at DT, that's for sure. At least if Fox doesn't need quality, he needs quantity. Hell, he brought 7 DTs to camp and is looking at two more.

Vickerson
Jarmon
McBean
Leonard

Just on the roster already, all those guys are guys who could play on fresh legs better than Brandon Mebane plays on tired legs.

You have a good point in that all of our division rivals use similar tactics, but the difference between the Broncos and the Chiefs or Chargers is that the Broncos have one of the best corners in the league, along with arguably the best pass rushing duo in the league. When you can get the QB on his butt in less than 3 seconds, that's gonna screw with their rythym, enable the Broncos to play the run game, and cause turnovers.

While the Chiefs have Hali, Chargers have Phillips, they don't have a guy who was not too long ago the sack king of the NFL and they certainly don't have the number 2 pick in the draft.

[JayJack]

Word out here in the bay area is Franklin is trying to resign with the 49ers.

Free agent NT Aubrayo Franklin will "visit" with 49ers coaches Monday.
Franklin has played for the Niners for four years, but he may want to get a better read on the new coaching staff. The best nose tackle on the market has surprisingly received little known interest, so a reunion with San Fran is now possible.

Source: Jason LaCanfora on Twitter Jul 31, 3:07 PM