Tarheel23's Mock Draft 2.0

[coloradomedic]

Exactly, the posters who continue to state Beadles and Walton have to be replaced might as well be wearing a sign that says 'I have no idea what I am talking about.'

I love it when posters tell another person that they have no idea what they are talking about because thier opinion differs. Beadles is and always has been the weak link on this line. You can make a case for Walton being a keeper, but LG needs to be upgraded. Forget opinions. How about cold, hard facts? Here's the numbers from profootballspotlight.com.

Run Blocking-
Clady- 82.9%
Beadles- 78.0%
Walton- 78.0%
Kuper- 81.7%
Franklin- 82.2%

Pass Blocking-
Clady- 92.1%
Beadles- 86.4%
Walton- 92.2%
Kuper- 91.8%
Franklin- 85.5%

These were posted by a guy in another forum. He also went on to state that Franklin has graded out at a 95.3 in pass blocking over the last 3 games, showing marked improvement in that area. Looks like the OP has a lot better idea of what he is talking about than you do Mindfield. Opinions vary, but the tape doesn't lie.

[SoundsOfSuccess]

I love it when posters tell another person that they have no idea what they are talking about because thier opinion differs. Beadles is and always has been the weak link on this line. You can make a case for Walton being a keeper, but LG needs to be upgraded. Forget opinions. How about cold, hard facts? Here's the numbers from profootballspotlight.com.

Run Blocking-
Clady- 82.9%
Beadles- 78.0%
Walton- 78.0%
Kuper- 81.7%
Franklin- 82.2%

Pass Blocking-
Clady- 92.1%
Beadles- 86.4%
Walton- 92.2%
Kuper- 91.8%
Franklin- 85.5%

These were posted by a guy in another forum. He also went on to state that Franklin has graded out at a 95.3 in pass blocking over the last 3 games, showing marked improvement in that area. Looks like the OP has a lot better idea of what he is talking about than you do Mindfield. Opinions vary, but the tape doesn't lie.

"Tape doesn't lie."

First of all, it does. A viewer that has no idea what the play call is or how players are directed to play by their coaches cannot evaluate a player accurately without luck.

Second of all, where's your tape?

Third of all, what do these percentages mean and how are they "cold hard facts"?

And lastly, how do these guys' supposed percentages compare to other lineman around the league?

[johnlimburg]

I love it when posters tell another person that they have no idea what they are talking about because thier opinion differs. Beadles is and always has been the weak link on this line. You can make a case for Walton being a keeper, but LG needs to be upgraded. Forget opinions. How about cold, hard facts? Here's the numbers from profootballspotlight.com.

Run Blocking-
Clady- 82.9%
Beadles- 78.0%
Walton- 78.0%
Kuper- 81.7%
Franklin- 82.2%

Pass Blocking-
Clady- 92.1%
Beadles- 86.4%
Walton- 92.2%
Kuper- 91.8%
Franklin- 85.5%

These were posted by a guy in another forum. He also went on to state that Franklin has graded out at a 95.3 in pass blocking over the last 3 games, showing marked improvement in that area. Looks like the OP has a lot better idea of what he is talking about than you do Mindfield. Opinions vary, but the tape doesn't lie.

As pointless as these gradings are as they are not explained how they are acheived you realise you are saying upgrade a guy who by these gradings graded extremely well especially for a second year player.

A these do not show tape. They are dependant on stats. It is not based of technique or anything of the such.

[johnlimburg]

And lastly, how do these guys' supposed percentages compare to other lineman around the league?

Exactly. They are all extremely high.

[crass7elway]

Zane Beadles has been great all year. Give me a break on that.

1. I'd love Kirkpatrick
2. Don't like this pick
3. Not bad, BPA WR wouldn't be bad here.
4. James isn't making it,to the 4th no way no how
5. Safety depth is a concern, no problem
7. Kellen Moore will be gone by the 7th

I'd love Kirkpatrick. I think in round 2, (if we got Kirkpatrick), we go DT. Probably one that can rush the passer. Round 3 I see us going RB though.

Beadles has been alright and he was man handled by the raiders o-line in the season opener, so he hasnt been great all year. Im not saying Beadles sucks but if we're gunna have Tebow as our quarterback we need a superior offensive line. I know Beadles is a young player that can still get better, and he has these past few weeks but if i had it my way i'd get this kid from georgia he's a beast in the running game which would scare the crap out of opposing defenses. But, hey, thats just my opinion.

[JayJack]

I love it when posters tell another person that they have no idea what they are talking about because thier opinion differs. Beadles is and always has been the weak link on this line. You can make a case for Walton being a keeper, but LG needs to be upgraded. Forget opinions. How about cold, hard facts? Here's the numbers from profootballspotlight.com.

Run Blocking-
Clady- 82.9%
Beadles- 78.0%
Walton- 78.0%
Kuper- 81.7%
Franklin- 82.2%

Pass Blocking-
Clady- 92.1%
Beadles- 86.4%
Walton- 92.2%
Kuper- 91.8%
Franklin- 85.5%

These were posted by a guy in another forum. He also went on to state that Franklin has graded out at a 95.3 in pass blocking over the last 3 games, showing marked improvement in that area. Looks like the OP has a lot better idea of what he is talking about than you do Mindfield. Opinions vary, but the tape doesn't lie.

Let's see. TBow is a mobile QB, so that's going to make the O-Line look alot better. Against the Chargers, they only rush 3 alot of times, and even at that, they didn't want to come up field and lose containment on TBow. So these stats are very misleading.

[SoundsOfSuccess]

Money. Potential. Impact on the team.

Money-- Paying 2 players for 1 in a year is not exactly financially brilliant...

Potential-- Toss up. Vickerson is supposedly a rising player, versus a guy that's never played a down before. Just for your information, in the 2007 draft, the third round DTs selected were--
-Jay Alford
-Tank Tyler
-Brandon Mebane
-Quinn Pitcock
In '06--
-Claude Wroten
-Dusty Dvoracek

Ouch!

Impact on the team-- Rookie vs. Middle of career player... Cmon.

[crass7elway]

Let's see. TBow is a mobile QB, so that's going to make the O-Line look alot better.

I think running Quarterbacks actually make offensive lines look worse because they're running around in the pocket often running into d-lineman in there scrambles.

[johnlimburg]

Money-- Paying 2 players for 1 in a year is not exactly financially brilliant...

What ?

Potential-- Toss up. Vickerson is supposedly a rising player, versus a guy that's never played a down before. Just for your information, in the 2007 draft, the third round DTs selected were--
-Jay Alford
-Tank Tyler
-Brandon Mebane
-Quinn Pitcock
In '06--
-Claude Wroten
-Dusty Dvoracek

Ouch!

Impact on the team-- Rookie vs. Middle of career player... Cmon.

1: He would have more potential than Vickerson.
2: Vickerson is well over payed.
3: Vickerson is not very good at all.
4: We have other Defensive Tackles who will keep a 2 million dollar per year guy at the end of the rotation. Get a rookie with potential who may be become something. Not a guy who we know is mediocre at best.

[THEdraftnik]

I love it when posters tell another person that they have no idea what they are talking about because thier opinion differs. Beadles is and always has been the weak link on this line. You can make a case for Walton being a keeper, but LG needs to be upgraded. Forget opinions. How about cold, hard facts? Here's the numbers from profootballspotlight.com.

Run Blocking-
Clady- 82.9%
Beadles- 78.0%
Walton- 78.0%
Kuper- 81.7%
Franklin- 82.2%

Pass Blocking-
Clady- 92.1%
Beadles- 86.4%
Walton- 92.2%
Kuper- 91.8%
Franklin- 85.5%

These were posted by a guy in another forum. He also went on to state that Franklin has graded out at a 95.3 in pass blocking over the last 3 games, showing marked improvement in that area. Looks like the OP has a lot better idea of what he is talking about than you do Mindfield. Opinions vary, but the tape doesn't lie.

Just checking but you do realize that Beadles is ranked only 5% less in run blocking than our best run blocker, and 6% less in pass blocking? As a second year player. Give him some time man.

[coloradomedic]

Just checking but you do realize that Beadles is ranked only 5% less in run blocking than our best run blocker, and 6% less in pass blocking? As a second year player. Give him some time man.

Beadles has improved, but he's still the weak link on this line. Yes, he's a 2nd year player. So is Walton, and Franklin is a rookie. It's really more about how Beadles gets manhandled in games. He also misses blocks at the 2nd level frequently. He's not an absolute scrub, but he is the weak link here. There's no reason for the OP to be bashed because he thinks that Beadles is the weakest part of this line, which he is.

[theMill_]

i got a stat for you. #1 run offense in the leauge.

[SoundsOfSuccess]

What ?



1: He would have more potential than Vickerson.
2: Vickerson is well over payed.
3: Vickerson is not very good at all.
4: We have other Defensive Tackles who will keep a 2 million dollar per year guy at the end of the rotation. Get a rookie with potential who may be become something. Not a guy who we know is mediocre at best.

You don't just cut a guy and his contract magically disappears...

Get off the "the draft pick has more potential" train, there's about an 83% chance he never does anything, according to these previous drafts.

[johnlimburg]

You don't just cut a guy and his contract magically disappears...

Get off the "the draft pick has more potential" train, there's about an 83% chance he never does anything, according to these previous drafts.

No crap you don't just cut a guy and his contract is gone. However on Kevin Vickerson's contract you will see that he is owed exactly nothing of his salary and only his signing bonus is guarenteed and 50% of that 1 Million is already payed up.

A draft pick in the 3rd round and the prospects at the defensive tackle position in this draft which could include guys like Short, Chapman have much more potential than that of Kevin Vickerson who if we Re-sign Bunkley, Thomas and Mcbean he will be at the bottom of the rotation. I would prefer to have Short or Chapman in the third and try to develop them with hope of being a very good football player.

I however would rather keep him and have him as the 4th DE and let Harvey walk in Free Agency.

[SoundsOfSuccess]

No crap you don't just cut a guy and his contract is gone. However on Kevin Vickerson's contract you will see that he is owed exactly nothing of his salary and only his signing bonus is guarenteed and 50% of that 1 Million is already payed up.

A draft pick in the 3rd round and the prospects at the defensive tackle position in this draft which could include guys like Short, Chapman have much more potential than that of Kevin Vickerson who if we Re-sign Bunkley, Thomas and Mcbean he will be at the bottom of the rotation. I would prefer to have Short or Chapman in the third and try to develop them with hope of being a very good football player.

I however would rather keep him and have him as the 4th DE and let Harvey walk in Free Agency.

You'd you're willing to spend about a million dollars at a 17% chance you get a decent player?