Tarheel23's Mock Draft 2.0

[johnlimburg]

You'd you're willing to spend about a million dollars at a 17% chance you get a decent player?

Well half of Vickersons guarentees are payed up. The other 500k is still owed regardless. However you would save about 1.5 million. So back to my original points.

It would save money and you would add a player with more potential.

The draft as a whole is hit or miss and your argument pretty much says why ever draft players when there is risk of failure. Why not just pick up below average player after below average player.

Also our players on our D Line right now are:

Elvis Dumervil-4th Rounder
Marcus Thomas-4th Rounder
Ryan Mcbean-4th Rounder
Jason Hunter-Undrafted
Brodrick Bunkley-1st Rounder
Robert Ayers-1st Rounder

We are getting a tone of impact from middle round guys. Some guys turn out. Some do not. It doesn't mean you do not try to replace below average players. You take each individual at there face value and avoid steriotyping guys due to round drafted, or the school they are form and say everyone will be the same. Each player is different and I am telling you some of the middle round defensive tackle prospects such as Short and Chapman have more potential than Kevin Vickerson.

[Kyousukeneko]

Well half of Vickersons guarentees are payed up. The other 500k is still owed regardless. However you would save about 1.5 million. So back to my original points.

It would save money and you would add a player with more potential.

The draft as a whole is hit or miss and your argument pretty much says why ever draft players when there is risk of failure. Why not just pick up below average player after below average player.

Also our players on our D Line right now are:

Elvis Dumervil-4th Rounder
Marcus Thomas-4th Rounder
Ryan Mcbean-4th Rounder
Jason Hunter-Undrafted
Brodrick Bunkley-1st Rounder
Robert Ayers-1st Rounder

We are getting a tone of impact from middle round guys. Some guys turn out. Some do not. It doesn't mean you do not try to replace below average players. You take each individual at there face value and avoid steriotyping guys due to round drafted, or the school they are form and say everyone will be the same. Each player is different and I am telling you some of the middle round defensive tackle prospects such as Short and Chapman have more potential than Kevin Vickerson.

Von miller plays enough DE he should be included in that list

[johnlimburg]

Von miller plays enough DE he should be included in that list

Yeah true but you get the point. 3 of our linman are 4th rounders and 1 is undrafted.

[Kyousukeneko]

Yeah true but you get the point. 3 of our linman are 4th rounders and 1 is undrafted.

yeah i understand where you are coming from, you can get steals in the draft, good thing thomas got kicked off the team or he would be a first rounder, same with elvis being so short. but i degress i believe we are still missing an elite penetraitor at DT and those are the hardest position to find in the draft, but there will be always be steals and people who went under there talent level

[johnlimburg]

yeah i understand where you are coming from, you can get steals in the draft, good thing thomas got kicked off the team or he would be a first rounder, same with elvis being so short. but i degress i believe we are still missing an elite penetraitor at DT and those are the hardest position to find in the draft, but there will be always be steals and people who went under there talent level

That was point to the other guy. You need to take each prospect as individuals and not say oh anyone drafted in the 3rd round will be a failure.

Yes we need an penetrator on the interior. I like Campbell from the Arizona Cardinals. He is 6-8, 300 pounds and produces as a 5 tech in a 3-4. So I went and got 4 games of his and have watched two of them. Against the 49ers he was pretty much held in check by Mike Iupati. He got some pressures but was locked down for the most part. Against the Ravens though he got good pressure constantly. Got beat a few times while defending against the run but he impressed me in that game. I like him for us.

However we are going to be spending a tone on the defensive tackle position in re-signing our own guys. I think the contracts for the players should be:

Brodrick Bunkley: 5 Years 25 Million

Marcus Thomas: 4 Years 16 Million

Ryan Mcbean: 4 Years 12 Million

If you were to sign a guy like Campbell it would be like 5 years 30 million. Due to our DT situation and needing to resign a tone of guys it would not happen more than likely. So you have to find that guy in the draft. Who can that be.

Jared Crick would be nice if he fell to the 3rd. As would Billy Winn if he fell. Winn wasn't that productive however he is very athletic and good overall. I like the white guy from Fresno State. I think it is Harrell. He has been productive and looks like he could serve a pass rushing role as a defensive tackle. However I still love Josh Chapman. He is a beast run defender. I would love him on this team and in this rotation.

[Kyousukeneko]

That was point to the other guy. You need to take each prospect as individuals and not say oh anyone drafted in the 3rd round will be a failure.

Yes we need an penetrator on the interior. I like Campbell from the Arizona Cardinals. He is 6-8, 300 pounds and produces as a 5 tech in a 3-4. So I went and got 4 games of his and have watched two of them. Against the 49ers he was pretty much held in check by Mike Iupati. He got some pressures but was locked down for the most part. Against the Ravens though he got good pressure constantly. Got beat a few times while defending against the run but he impressed me in that game. I like him for us.

However we are going to be spending a tone on the defensive tackle position in re-signing our own guys. I think the contracts for the players should be:

Brodrick Bunkley: 5 Years 25 Million

Marcus Thomas: 4 Years 16 Million

Ryan Mcbean: 4 Years 12 Million

If you were to sign a guy like Campbell it would be like 5 years 30 million. Due to our DT situation and needing to resign a tone of guys it would not happen more than likely. So you have to find that guy in the draft. Who can that be.

Jared Crick would be nice if he fell to the 3rd. As would Billy Winn if he fell. Winn wasn't that productive however he is very athletic and good overall. I like the white guy from Fresno State. I think it is Harrell. He has been productive and looks like he could serve a pass rushing role as a defensive tackle. However I still love Josh Chapman. He is a beast run defender. I would love him on this team and in this rotation.

my steal of the draft in the DT position is Derrick wolfe outta Cincinnati, kids going to be a beast, reminds me of kyle williams up in buffalo great 4-3 ut

5th-6th rounder with the potential to be elite he has like 7 sacks sacks and 14.5 tfl. is being underrated cause he is white, great frame at 6'5 300

[johnlimburg]

my steal of the draft in the DT position is Derrick wolfe outta Cincinnati, kids going to be a beast, reminds me of kyle williams up in buffalo great 4-3 ut

5th-6th rounder with the potential to be elite he has like 7 sacks sacks and 14.5 tfl. is being underrated cause he is white, great frame at 6'5 300

I am guilty of underrating white players. But yes he is a productive guy but I have yet to really watch him so I know little about him.

[Kyousukeneko]

I am guilty of underrating white players. But yes he is a productive guy but I have yet to really watch him so I know little about him.

he has been dominate in the trenches in the big east i saw three or four of his games he is consistantly getting doubled and still getting good penetraition and a good push. he is one of the hardest men to block in college right now.

[johnlimburg]

he has been dominate in the trenches in the big east i saw three or four of his games he is consistantly getting doubled and still getting good penetraition and a good push. he is one of the hardest men to block in college right now.

Sounds alright for a potential 4th round pick

[THEdraftnik]

What ?



1: He would have more potential than Vickerson.
2: Vickerson is well over payed.
3: Vickerson is not very good at all.
4: We have other Defensive Tackles who will keep a 2 million dollar per year guy at the end of the rotation. Get a rookie with potential who may be become something. Not a guy who we know is mediocre at best.

Except;
1. the coaching staff likes Vick.
2. He would be #2 to Marcus Thomas on depth if Thomas is resigned
3. Vick was playing good this season for what we asked him to do.
4. Mike Martin is a nose tackle only.
5. We have 3 quality nosetackles already and 4 if you count Thomas.
6. 1.5 million is chump change in the nfl.

[MHSalute]

Who are our 3 quality NTs? Bunkley is quality...do not see anyone else there. Bunkley goes down and we are screwed.

[johnlimburg]

Except;
1. the coaching staff likes Vick.

True

2. He would be #2 to Marcus Thomas on depth if Thomas is resigned

Mcbean is better than Vickerson

3. Vick was playing good this season for what we asked him to do.

No he was not. He was on the ground a lot and was undiscplied according to ex nfl defensive lineman Alfred Williams. He was very ineffective and made little to no plays.

4. Mike Martin is a nose tackle only.

Not just for Martin. As I also said earlier in the thread I have no understanding of Mike Martin. But I referenced two other 3rd rounders I like and would rather have. These being Chapman and Short.

5. We have 3 quality nosetackles already and 4 if you count Thomas.

Who that.

6. 1.5 million is chump change in the nfl.

Gaffney had like 2 million and we traded him away for a player we cut. If you can save 1.5 million on a player who will have minimal impact. I am sure they would rather do that.

[Kyousukeneko]

i can name three good NT on our roster four if you count warrent
Bunkley
Mcbean
Thomas
Warren

all hit me as decent NT

[SoundsOfSuccess]

SoundsofSuccess End of College Season Mock Draft

Now that college regular season games are over, I've decided to piece together some thoughts into a mock draft. Questions/criticisms are welcome.

Note- atm, I believe Denver is looking at the 18th pick in the draft, but I may be wrong. It should not matter, really.

1. Zach Brown, UNC, WLB.
John Fox loves his backers, Woodyard may be tough to get back, and DJ does not have much longer around. Brown is a very impressive athlete, also being a track runner, another quality Fox has tended to look for, see Beason, Davis, and Miller. Brown is one of the best players available at this pick and is the best player at a logical position for the Broncos to draft. As Denver's pass rush seems to be one of the best already, they can focus on balancing the defense and making its rush defense one of the best around, and Brown has played a large part in the Tar Heels opponents' 3.1 yards per carry.

2. Coby Fleener, Stanford, TE.
Yes, a TE in the second round. Have no fear Broncos fans, he is no Robert Quinn. Fleener would potentially have the versatility to be deadly in the Broncos new offense. Line him up in the slot in a 4 WR set and you can send him for a route or have him block for a jet sweep or read option. Put him in a stance on the line and you can have him run block like a lineman, go for a screen, and be a dump off and red zone weapon. At 6'6", he should put up Gronkowski like TD numbers. High impact as a rookie.

3. LaMichael James, Oregon, RB.
Ranked as the 84th best player in the draft by CBS, who better to have at runningback than the most dominant spread back in college football? Like Fleener, this West Coast stud has versatility written all over him. Screens, draws, read options, triple options, he can do it all. At 5'9", good luck for the defnese to pick up who has the ball when he's in the game.

4. Alex Okafor, Texas, DE.
Okafor singlehandedly won the Texas vs. A&M game for his team, IMO. He constantly beat A&M's right tackle, all game. Literally, every play, he made the RT look like Orlando Franklin in the Lions game. At 260 pounds, he is a traditional defensive end, and playing time would depend on fatigue of other players and package of defense. Not neccesarily an instant contributor, like James and Fleener, but a player that one day gives Phillip Rivers even more hell...

5. Trumaine Johnson, Montana, CB.
Unlike others, I don't feel like cornerback is as big a need. With Chris Harris and Cassius Vaughn more deserving of a shot to step in, a corner is not a top priority for Denver, IMO. The reason Trumaine stands out to me is because he has the physicality to play in a heavy-blitz system, is a good tackler, has dominated thus far in his career, and he's a tough kid. He played through a broken bone in his forearm for an entire season. Two major reasons he's not a higher pick-- he's had more than a couple injuries over his career and had an incident involving some boneheaded decisions.

7. James Rodgers, Oregon State, WR.
At 5'7", and running a 4.48, he's an intriguing slot receiver prospect. It's questionable if Royal will be back, and Rodgers gives an interesting ability for a late round pick to have instant effect on the offense. Also a great scout team player for guys like Percy Harvin or DeSean Jackson.

[Kyousukeneko]

not a big fan of the first 2, woodyard, mohamed, irving and Williams are all best suited as WLBs. that the majority of our core.

i do not want a TE, expecially some who does not have deep speed to threat. he may look decent at the college level, but 4.8 speed wont be enough to stick with much as a WR.