Tarheel23's Mock Draft 2.0

[MHSalute]

Brown would be a good pick. Depends on if we plan on keeping DJ at 5M per year or if we see Brown as an ILB that can do everything well.

Do not like the TE pick, no new receivers until Tebow is regularly throwing 26+ times a game. Too much to spend on a guy that may not even see more than 2 looks all game.

Like the rest. Maybe just slot a DT in the 2nd and I would be very happy with that draft.

[MHSalute]

i can name three good NT on our roster four if you count warrent
Bunkley
Mcbean
Thomas
Warren

all hit me as decent NT

McBean is a 3 tech, Thomas is a tweener, looks better at 3 tech, Warren is 2 years removed from playing and would cost 4M to keep...

NT: Bunkley
3 tech: Thomas, McBean

[Kyousukeneko]

McBean is a 3 tech, Thomas is a tweener, looks better at 3 tech, Warren is 2 years removed from playing and would cost 4M to keep...

NT: Bunkley
3 tech: Thomas, McBean

mcbean does not get teh penetraition needed to be a three tech, thomas does at times but he seems to fit better as a NT

[SoundsOfSuccess]

I guess you guys just don't understand that guys like Antonio Gates do wonders for their offenses, when healthy...

[theMill_]

if we go line backer why not burfict to play mike

[Kyousukeneko]

julius thomas is going to be alot more effective then fleener as a gates type of TE

[SoundsOfSuccess]

julius thomas is going to be alot more effective then fleener as a gates type of TE

How do you figure my explanation makes Fleener a Gates type TE, and how do you figure Julius would indeed be a better pass catcher?

[SoundsOfSuccess]

if we go line backer why not burfict to play mike

Mays and Irving, and Burfict is a mental imbecile, and he's going to fall into the second, easily, if he comes out.

[Kyousukeneko]

How do you figure my explanation makes Fleener a Gates type TE, and how do you figure Julius would indeed be a better pass catcher?

gates runs a 4.5-4.6 has excellent body skills and deep speed threat, while fleener runs a 4.8, will have issue getting separation at the pro level. could be a TE but he is more of a jason witten who could if playing right be good box out and third down TE, but he will never be the deep threat gates is.

[SoundsOfSuccess]

gates runs a 4.5-4.6 has excellent body skills and deep speed threat, while fleener runs a 4.8, will have issue getting separation at the pro level. could be a TE but he is more of a jason witten who could if playing right be good box out and third down TE, but he will never be the deep threat gates is.

Denver doesn't need a deep threat out of him. Go back and read my explanation if you'd like to see his uses.

[theMill_]

i dont kno much about zack brown but what i do kno about burfict is how physically he plays and i like that. with guys like dawkins bunkly (if resigned) bailey and tebow thats alot of leadership. i think this team can handle a knuckle head or two lol.

ive watched burficts games againt oregon and usc. he really flys around makes a lot of plays. he can over pursue at times but who doesnt. with von miller vontaze burfict and dj williams thats as good a LB core as it gets requiring he pans out.

reason i asked why get zack brown from what i know he plays olb witch we have alot of depth at. 2 quality starters in von and dj, and i dont see why irvin cant play outside i think he played some his underclassmen years in college.

so if in fact we take a LB in this draft those are my reasons we should grab a guy to play inside rather then outside! whether that be in the 1st with kuechly or as you think in the second with burfict

[Kyousukeneko]

Denver doesn't need a deep threat out of him. Go back and read my explanation if you'd like to see his uses.

it is part of the reason, gates, gronkowski and davis are the top TE in the nfl, and they all have really good deep speed, and can run any route in the nfl. that unpredictible makes them a better player.

[THEdraftnik]

Mcbean is better than Vickerson

No doubt McBean has stepped up his play but he hasn't been playing good. He is getting coverage sacks and everybody else we have is doing just as good as him against the run or better.

No he was not. He was on the ground a lot and was undiscplied according to ex nfl defensive lineman Alfred Williams. He was very ineffective and made little to no plays.

Our defensive tackles jobs arent to make plays. Their jobs are take up double teams and he was good at that.

Not just for Martin. As I also said earlier in the thread I have no understanding of Mike Martin. But I referenced two other 3rd rounders I like and would rather have. These being Chapman and Short.

Short and Chapman are both nose tackles... The only one you could make a case for being an under is Short and that doesn't play to his threngths IMO. But I will be honest, I havent seen Short much this year.

Who that.

Bunkley, McBean, Ty Warren, and Marcus Thomas all can or do play nose tackle. I don't even expect Warren to make the roster either. But that's still 3 guys who are better suited as 1 techs, and no true 3 tech.

Gaffney had like 2 million and we traded him away for a player we cut. If you can save 1.5 million on a player who will have minimal impact. I am sure they would rather do that.

Decker was also breathing down Gaff's back. We don't have anybody behind Vick who is pushing him as of right now and drafting another nose tackle won't change that.

[Kyousukeneko]

Decker was also breathing down Gaff's back. We don't have anybody behind Vick who is pushing him as of right now and drafting another nose tackle won't change that.

yeah getting stills, cox or a guy like wolfe would be perfect to push vick, i think vick stays on the roster and will definitely have to add a UT, and it is worth going for one of those guy high. wolfe is really the only one i can see being a successful UT outside round 2.

Still
Cox
Crick
Thompson(he doesn't deserve it but he will be gone by the end of round two)

Unless i am over thinking it, but i mean the only other ones i could see who would work are unlikely to come out.

[johnlimburg]

Now that college regular season games are over, I've decided to piece together some thoughts into a mock draft. Questions/criticisms are welcome.

Note- atm, I believe Denver is looking at the 18th pick in the draft, but I may be wrong. It should not matter, really.

1. Zach Brown, UNC, WLB.
John Fox loves his backers, Woodyard may be tough to get back, and DJ does not have much longer around. Brown is a very impressive athlete, also being a track runner, another quality Fox has tended to look for, see Beason, Davis, and Miller. Brown is one of the best players available at this pick and is the best player at a logical position for the Broncos to draft. As Denver's pass rush seems to be one of the best already, they can focus on balancing the defense and making its rush defense one of the best around, and Brown has played a large part in the Tar Heels opponents' 3.1 yards per carry.

If he was the best player available I suppose you could live with it but it in no way is the most logical pick. DJ Williams is still contracted to this football team for two more seasons. He is having the best year of his career as is Wesley Woodyard. Wesley Woodyard may go some where to start fulltime however if he doesn't you do not need to draft a first round guy to be your nickel linebacker who has coverage skills. Plus we have just drafted Irving and Mohomad who will hopefully come back next year ready to compete after a year of development. Bad pick.

2. Coby Fleener, Stanford, TE.
Yes, a TE in the second round. Have no fear Broncos fans, he is no Robert Quinn. Fleener would potentially have the versatility to be deadly in the Broncos new offense. Line him up in the slot in a 4 WR set and you can send him for a route or have him block for a jet sweep or read option. Put him in a stance on the line and you can have him run block like a lineman, go for a screen, and be a dump off and red zone weapon. At 6'6", he should put up Gronkowski like TD numbers. High impact as a rookie.

I agree with everything you just said. I love this guy. He is very well rounded and as you said he is versatile. I love what he offers to his team. However the question is is John Fox and the other decisions makers willing to spend this pick considering we just drafted a 4th round project who we moved up for and also Virgil Green who is showing to be very good as an in line blocking tight end. I think he will be there around this pick however I can see him boosting his stock over the off season and after all of the draft crap which hurts and boosts players. Like the combine and pro days and all that.

Overall I would like the pick. However what would we do with Fells and Rosario. I think Rosario is a must sign and Fells has been solid. Would you keep 5 TE's ? Fleener, Fells, Rosario, Green, Thomas.

3. LaMichael James, Oregon, RB.
Ranked as the 84th best player in the draft by CBS, who better to have at runningback than the most dominant spread back in college football? Like Fleener, this West Coast stud has versatility written all over him. Screens, draws, read options, triple options, he can do it all. At 5'9", good luck for the defnese to pick up who has the ball when he's in the game.

Dislike this pick a tone. We pound the football. Yes he is experienced in this type of offense we are currently running but so are other guys who have speed and explosivness with little frames later. These guys usually fall a bit also. Like last year. Devine and Locke. Both fell a tone. I think we need an explosive weapon but maybe in the 4th or 5th round. And probably at the receiver position.

4. Alex Okafor, Texas, DE.
Okafor singlehandedly won the Texas vs. A&M game for his team, IMO. He constantly beat A&M's right tackle, all game. Literally, every play, he made the RT look like Orlando Franklin in the Lions game. At 260 pounds, he is a traditional defensive end, and playing time would depend on fatigue of other players and package of defense. Not neccesarily an instant contributor, like James and Fleener, but a player that one day gives Phillip Rivers even more
hell...

I agree it would be great to get another pass rusher. It would be amazing. However is he going to come out. If he stays he will be a first round pick. I think he would know that. He should go back to school. However if he comes out I would love this pick here. Him or Massaquio if he comes out also.

5. Trumaine Johnson, Montana, CB.
Unlike others, I don't feel like cornerback is as big a need. With Chris Harris and Cassius Vaughn more deserving of a shot to step in, a corner is not a top priority for Denver, IMO. The reason Trumaine stands out to me is because he has the physicality to play in a heavy-blitz system, is a good tackler, has dominated thus far in his career, and he's a tough kid. He played through a broken bone in his forearm for an entire season. Two major reasons he's not a higher pick-- he's had more than a couple injuries over his career and had an incident involving some boneheaded decisions.

I think corner is our biggest need. We have Champ and GOody who are both 32+ years old. Who is next in line to even be a number 1 or 2 guy for us. Chris Harris and Syd are good nickel corners. They are very good at it with good versatility. Vaughn was pretty damn awful when he started and played a lot at the start of the year. We need a guy early to be a potential immediate number 2 and future number 1. However if we are out of that range for Claiborne who is the clear best or Kirkpatrick who is a little overrated but still good we need to get a guy in the second or third who is good. Trumaine is pretty average from what I have seen just on youtube becaue I do not catch to many Montanta games but I think there will be much better guys available at the 5th round. If Casey Heyward from Vandy is there he would be a much better pick.

7. James Rodgers, Oregon State, WR.
At 5'7", and running a 4.48, he's an intriguing slot receiver prospect. It's questionable if Royal will be back, and Rodgers gives an interesting ability for a late round pick to have instant effect on the offense. Also a great scout team player for guys like Percy Harvin or DeSean Jackson.

Explosive players are needed as we haven't had any for years. Like the pick and a good returner as you say.

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Overall I am not to fond of it.

I agree with position selections in the 3rd and 4th but would pick the players differently. In the 3rd at running back I would get David WIlson. He is explosive and fast but has more potential as an everydown back and a great compliment to Mcgahee and future star. In the 4th I do not think Okefor comes out so I would pick a different guy but if he comes out yes I would love him.