Vincent Jackson

[johnlimburg]

That's where I'm coming from as well.

You don't get my stance.

johnlimburg, do you really believe that Fox would rather have a small/explosive receiver than a BIG (biggest in the league) receiver that gets over the top of the coverage AND blocks well in the running game?

Don't know. However I think he would like to add another dimension to the offense. We have our #1 and #2's. Eddie will be gone and Willis is not a starter. We need a slot receiver who is a home run threat. We need that threat.

I understand your money argument, but even if we resign our own wanted players we'll have about 15-20 million to reach the 90% minimum.

Yes. And you have to be smart with your money. You cannot go just blowing 20 million in one off season and handicap yourself down the road. You need good managment. Look down the road what we will need to do. Clady is off contract in the 2013 off season. We will have Walton and Beadles off contract at some point at the same time and if they contine to play well and improve there could be big investments. Decker and DT if they can be a good one two punch on the outside as they develop with Tebow they will come off around the same time. We have a lot of young guys who look like they will have good careers. You do not want to risk that by blowing all of your money and not have any room to keep them guys for their second contracts because you wanted to give a multi year deal to a 29 year old wide receiver for ridiculous money who will never earn that money in that team.

Plus after we re-sign all of our own guys we WILL NOT need to spend 15-20 Million to reach 90%.

Bunkley, Thomas, Myas, Woodyard if they are all kept are all in for significant raises.

How often do you see anyone do this?

Not very but it is nice to have that threat.

This offense is not always going to be a run 60% of the time offense. The passing game will evolve.

I agree that $10M/year would be a bit high for a WR right now and there are other higher priorities such as CB, DT, and RB but then again a draft pick does not always pan out and they do have the money to spend.

Yes but if a 2nd round draft pick busts then you are not on the hook for 25+ million in guarantees and a 50 million dollar or so contract. I agree the passing game will evolve but I think DT and Decker will evolve as well with Tebow and the passing game. I have bought into Tebow at least having the off season and next season as the starter. So I think if you keep this young group together then that is great. They can grow together. And all 3 (DECKER, DT, TEBOW) have shown potential to get better.

Personally, I think they are doing ok at WR with DT, Decker, Willis, Goodwin, and Dell. I think if they got a mid price FA WR they will be good. They run a lot of 2 WR sets so a 3rd is not used very often anyway. I think using those draft picks to upgrade other areas would be the best plan.

I still think we need a weapon. Add another dimension to the offense.

As I said I hope we go into the 2012 season with:

Demaryius Thomas
Eric Decker
Kendall Wright
Matthew Willis
Mark Dell

I think that is a nice group with a tone of potential.

[BroncoooJohnson]

a very similair situation to this is the eagles. Look at Smith who played for the Giants , signed with the eagles this season. They treat this guy terribly the whole season and it was mainly a move to keep him away from the Giants. Smith is now saying in the media he wishes he was still a giant. I could only imagine what bringing in a diva like Jackson could do to our lockerroom while someone like Royal or Decker heads out the door.

Jackson isn't a diva. Give me situation when he's been a diva. His biggest frustrations have been with the team losing, and he hasn't even thrown Rivers under the bus (which we would all do), and he's had one incident in his history in which his name has been in a bad light.

He's made less than 8 Million dollars in contract money in his career for being a top 10, possibly top 5 receiver. You give him the label of "diva" for NO reason at all.

[johnlimburg]

i would pay mcgahee some real money first.

I wouldn't. He is contracted for 3 years. No reaosn to up him. He is getting old and we should look to draft a guy to spell him and take over for him in 2013.

No need to up him.

[BroncoooJohnson]

i would pay mcgahee some real money first.

he's getting pretty good money, especially for a runningback, and ESPECIALLY for his age.

[johnlimburg]

Yeh I wouldn't call Jackson a diva at all. He has been held hostage by the Charger for years now when he has deserved a contract. He is not a diva.

[vLordChronicv]

Jackson isn't a diva. Give me situation when he's been a diva. His biggest frustrations have been with the team losing, and he hasn't even thrown Rivers under the bus (which we would all do), and he's had one incident in his history in which his name has been in a bad light.

He's made less than 8 Million dollars in contract money in his career for being a top 10, possibly top 5 receiver. You give him the label of "diva" for NO reason at all.

game vs raiders. Rivers in trouble,,, throws it up ,,,, jackson watches the ball go by him, Rivers gets pissed off and throws his hands up like ***? . This season where the Raiders beat them. He is a diva regardless of what you think about him.

[vLordChronicv]

he's getting pretty good money, especially for a runningback, and ESPECIALLY for his age.

on his way to another 1,000 yard rushing season... is there no benefit in rewarding players that perform for you?

[vLordChronicv]

Jackson top 5 wr? ahahah

Hakeem Nicks is better then him i would maybe put jackson top 15 not 5.

[BroncoooJohnson]

on his way to another 1,000 yard rushing season... is there no benefit in rewarding players that perform for you?

there is, but not in this situation. he gets over 3 mil average on the first two years, which is good running back money, even for 1000 yards rushing. If he got 1000 yards after those 2 seasons I'd help pay him myself

[johnlimburg]

on his way to another 1,000 yard rushing season... is there no benefit in rewarding players that perform for you?

He is getting paid. No need. It is a business. You don't hand out money for no reason when you are running a business.

[BroncoooJohnson]

Jackson top 5 wr? ahahah

Hakeem Nicks is better then him i would maybe put jackson top 15 not 5.

I said top 10, possibly top 5, because he was widely viewed as a top 5 receiver before Rivers decided to suck.

[vLordChronicv]

He is getting paid. No need. It is a business. You don't hand out money for no reason when you are running a business.

you do if they perform well. Thats how people get raises and bonuses

[BroncoooJohnson]

you do if they perform well. Thats how people get raises and bonuses

You sign a contract to play your heart out, and quite often these contracts have incentives. I don't know if there are performance based incentives, but Willis is signed to try 100% and that's what he's doing.

[johnlimburg]

you do if they perform well. Thats how people get raises and bonuses

It depends on your business and the situation. You have a 30+ year old running back. He is contracted which would more than likely be the rest of his career. He is getting plenty good enough money.

Look at other guys in the business of the NFL:

Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, Vincent Jackson, Cortland Finnegan.

All guys who deserved more money before they got off contract and they are on rookie salaries. Johnson finally got a new contract but deserved one a season earlier. He was a 2000 yard runner and then played a full season on like 500K per year.

Mcgahee is getting a tone of money. He doesn't need more. We don't need to give him more.

[duhyaj]

you do if they perform well. Thats how people get raises and bonuses

I like the POv of teams like Cincy that write contracts and stick with them, I dont think you just hand out a huge new contract when that player clearly knew he was a high quality player and could have not signed the contract if he knew he was better than it.