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  • xOrangeCrushx
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    Yeah if he doesn't workout in Denver I wonder if a team would even be willing to take on a whole new Tebow offense.

    Sadly my guess would be no at this point.

    The hater stuff should blow over soon........ okay probably not.

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  • Alastor
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    Originally posted by xOrangeCrushx
    That's a great point I wonder if that helps or hurts Tebow's future in the NFL and on the Denver Broncos.
    Thank you for the kind words.

    It's irrelevant.

    I realize a lot of people on here can't distinguish between my critiques of Tebow's skills and "hate," but I know a lot of people that have to see the world in black and white like that. Hell, I used to teach 150 of them every day.

    For those who were not in my 7th grade Humanities class, I'll say what I've always said about Tebow; he doesn't need to be pushed.

    Tebow pushes Tebow. Elway will push Tebow to be the best Tebow Tebow can be. So will Fox.

    We don't need anyone to push Tebow. Tebow can either do it or he can't.

    Tim Tebow is a very hard worker.

    No one brought into camp could possibly push Tebow harder than he pushes himself. You don't need to light a fire under his ass. He lights his own... Ass... Wait...

    He's a self-starter. Let's say that.

    All we have to decide is if Tebow is going to be our guy. If so, Tebow will work amazingly hard all on his own. We don't need to worry about pushing him. He pushes himself.

    I think that if you bring in another quarterback, it's so that you can go another way entirely.

    If you're just looking for a backup, you can get one relatively easily later in the draft that we can just kind of chuck in there and hope for the best. We're not getting another Tebow though, and he's either your guy or he's a tight end. He cannot be plugged into any other system, and no other quarterback can ever be plugged into his.

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  • xOrangeCrushx
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    Originally posted by Alastor
    The thing is that Tebow's unique style of play kind of locks us into a one man show.

    Can you find any other quarterback in the NFL that could go into the huddle of a team that prepared all season long with Tebow, and expect them to make it work?

    Who do you get to back Tebow up? Who could Tebow back up?

    No one.

    He's got such an unconventional skill set, that you don't really ever have a competition that's straight up like that with Tebow. The offense is either designed for Tebow, or it's an offense Tebow can't work with. If it's designed for Tebow, others can't work with it.

    Tebow is so unconventional that it's kind of an "all-in" with him. He's either your guy he's not.

    There is no pushing Tebow, and Tebow will never push any other conventional quarterbacks, because they're so incredibly dissimilar.

    The automatic response is to "go get another unconventional quarterback." That's just not realistic though. How many quarterbacks have there been that can power run up the gut, run the option, and throw remotely well? If we look at the entire NFL, I can count them on one finger currently.

    I don't think there's any "pushing" of Tebow to be done. He's either your guy or he's not.
    That's a great point I wonder if that helps or hurts Tebow's future in the NFL and on the Denver Broncos.

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  • broncoFan!
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg
    Yep. Every position should be looked at as needing to be improved unless you are a corner stone of the team and a franchise player. Guys like Champ Bailey, Von Miller and Chris Kuper.
    Go Nuggets! Sorry had to b/c of your siggy!

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  • Alastor
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    The thing is that Tebow's unique style of play kind of locks us into a one man show.

    Can you find any other quarterback in the NFL that could go into the huddle of a team that prepared all season long with Tebow, and expect them to make it work?

    Who do you get to back Tebow up? Who could Tebow back up?

    No one.

    He's got such an unconventional skill set, that you don't really ever have a competition that's straight up like that with Tebow. The offense is either designed for Tebow, or it's an offense Tebow can't work with. If it's designed for Tebow, others can't work with it.

    Tebow is so unconventional that it's kind of an "all-in" with him. He's either your guy he's not.

    There is no pushing Tebow, and Tebow will never push any other conventional quarterbacks, because they're so incredibly dissimilar.

    The automatic response is to "go get another unconventional quarterback." That's just not realistic though. How many quarterbacks have there been that can power run up the gut, run the option, and throw remotely well? If we look at the entire NFL, I can count them on one finger currently.

    I don't think there's any "pushing" of Tebow to be done. He's either your guy or he's not.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by xOrangeCrushx
    I have a feeling the FO feels the same way. It's not an attack on Tebow by drafting a QB. If you have a chance to possibly improve any postion I think you do it, no matter whose feelings you might hurt.
    Yep. Every position should be looked at as needing to be improved unless you are a corner stone of the team and a franchise player. Guys like Champ Bailey, Von Miller and Chris Kuper.

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  • Kyousukeneko
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    Originally posted by xOrangeCrushx
    Everyone says they hate McCoy and this offense so why bring in a option QB????

    I see Dennis Dixon type players on FA lists I don't get it?

    Why not bring in more of a pocket passer who is more accurate to throw on 1st down and mix it up like everyone suggests?

    For the record I hope Tebow becomes the greatest QB in history and shatters every record, and is with the Broncos for the next 10 years.
    we need a better passer then tebow, i like josh johnson alot, but i could see SF making a big push for him.

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  • xOrangeCrushx
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg
    Yes. He shouldn't be handed the job. I have stood by that all along. It depends how the draft falls though. If Osweiler is their in the second I would take him.
    I have a feeling the FO feels the same way. It's not an attack on Tebow by drafting a QB. If you have a chance to possibly improve any postion I think you do it, no matter whose feelings you might hurt.

    I mean at the end of the day it's a bussiness. John Fox and John Elway are not untouchable their job is on the line every year as well. they have to do with what is in the best intrest of the team.
    Last edited by xOrangeCrushx; 01-15-2012, 01:26 AM.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Yes. He shouldn't be handed the job. I have stood by that all along. It depends how the draft falls though. If Osweiler is their in the second I would take him.

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  • xOrangeCrushx
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    Competition for Tebow

    Everyone says they hate McCoy and this offense so why bring in a option QB????

    I see Dennis Dixon type players on FA lists I don't get it?

    Why not bring in more of a pocket passer who is more accurate to throw on 1st down and mix it up like everyone suggests?

    For the record I hope Tebow becomes the greatest QB in history and shatters every record, and is with the Broncos for the next 10 years.
    Last edited by xOrangeCrushx; 01-15-2012, 01:17 AM.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by THEdraftnik
    Relax they are nothing alike.

    I'm just tired of you constantly hyping up Mallet even when Tebow does good. C'mon man.
    What. I like Mallet. Big deal. I don't say he needs to replace him. But Tebow just put on a show. Go Broncos

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  • THEdraftnik
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg
    You and your un fair comparisons are really starting to piss me off

    Cassell always was overrated.
    Relax they are nothing alike.

    I'm just tired of you constantly hyping up Mallet even when Tebow does good. C'mon man.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by THEdraftnik
    Matt Cassal also impressed...
    You and your un fair comparisons are really starting to piss me off

    Cassell always was overrated.

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  • THEdraftnik
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg
    Well he was a very good prospect. And a great pre season helped his worth.
    Matt Cassal also impressed...

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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by vLordChronicv
    yea i do. i love to make haters eat crow! on nfl.com!
    this is what i post atm there!

    THIS GOES TO ALL THE HATERS THAT SAID TEBOW WILL NEVER BE A QB IN THE NFL. LOOK AT HIM NOW! THROWING TD PASSES IN THE PLAYOFFS. HATERS HAVE TO BE MAD.
    I am no mad. When he hit DT on that long bomb. The first one. I jumped up in the air and accidently smacked my head on the fan.

    I am not a hater anyway. I never said he will never be a QB.

    Originally posted by Cardoso
    Sorry why are we talking about Mallet again???? Did your guys TV go out?
    It is an ongoing discussion.

    Originally posted by BroncoooJohnson
    and sorry to throw JohnLimburg under the bus, but you're on record hating on Tebow.
    See the funny thing is that is so far from the truth. I have been nothing but objective on the topic. I have called it as I see it. I have gave credit when I feel he has deserved it. I have critiqued where I felt he deserved it. I have defended him when he thought he deserved it on religion stuff and cussing issues which some people brought up. Hating is not telling the truth. It straight up isn't. I think the thing with a lot of you is so wishy washy. You will change your mind on a few completions and forget previous play. I have not been wrong on things I have said over the play of his in the league. Say what you want but you will not go and provide evidence of this hate like all the other people who accuse of it. I could name some haters but I am not one.

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