Tebow's Value?

[demosthenes9]

The thing is that Tebow's unique style of play kind of locks us into a one man show.

Can you find any other quarterback in the NFL that could go into the huddle of a team that prepared all season long with Tebow, and expect them to make it work?

Who do you get to back Tebow up? Who could Tebow back up?

No one.

He's got such an unconventional skill set, that you don't really ever have a competition that's straight up like that with Tebow. The offense is either designed for Tebow, or it's an offense Tebow can't work with. If it's designed for Tebow, others can't work with it.

Tebow is so unconventional that it's kind of an "all-in" with him. He's either your guy he's not.

There is no pushing Tebow, and Tebow will never push any other conventional quarterbacks, because they're so incredibly dissimilar.

The automatic response is to "go get another unconventional quarterback." That's just not realistic though. How many quarterbacks have there been that can power run up the gut, run the option, and throw remotely well? If we look at the entire NFL, I can count them on one finger currently.

I don't think there's any "pushing" of Tebow to be done. He's either your guy or he's not.

Umm, draft a QB coming out of college ? One that already runs the spread option ?

[JayJack]

JayJack

You're right that most other quarterbacks won't take the abuse that this style of offense tends to lend itself to.

Then again, I don't think putting your quarterback through this much abuse is all that great of an idea to begin with.

There are some pretty tough quarterbacks out there, but they still wouldn't be the kind that could run the way Tebow does, although they might make up for it with being able to throw better. In fact that's probable. But then we're not going to be able to run as effectively and the defense can go back to a more conventional scheme against us as well.

I dunno. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Really, the only option we have if we want to keep this scheme in place is for Tebow to get better - a lot better.



Yup. This is the crux of it isn't it?

I agree. I've been saying for the longest that I don't believe in our O-Line. I think they will be pretty good at the ZBS, but they suck at the PBS. I still say we need to move Beadles to RT, Franklin to LG, and bring in another OC. That could work better instead of trying to find replacements for atleast 2 of those spots.

[Kyousukeneko]

beadles lacks the atheletic ability To handle speed rushers from the RT position, it was proved his rookie year. competition maybe, i think tebow should be starting next year, high name back up incase tebow doesn't do well next year and we draft a rookie 2013 tebows obviously released or traded and we have the high named back up start and the rookie QB push him

[Alastor]

beadles lacks the atheletic ability To handle speed rushers from the RT position, it was proved his rookie year.

Do you know how long it takes to develop linemen?

NOTHING is proven in someone's rookie year.

competition maybe, i think tebow should be starting next year, high name back up incase tebow doesn't do well next year and we draft a rookie 2013 tebows obviously released or traded and we have the high named back up start and the rookie QB push him

Which high name backup do you propose we go after with our #25/#26 overall draft choice (which we'd then spend on a backup)?

When you pick one, then explain what it is about him that will make it easy for him to come in and work with this offensive scheme if Tebow gets hurt or gets benched.

I don't follow college ball much, so maybe there's one out there. If so, share your insights.

[JayJack]

beadles lacks the atheletic ability To handle speed rushers from the RT position, it was proved his rookie year. competition maybe, i think tebow should be starting next year, high name back up incase tebow doesn't do well next year and we draft a rookie 2013 tebows obviously released or traded and we have the high named back up start and the rookie QB push him

Beadles did pretty good last year against the Colts. And IIRC, he didn't allow a sack.

EDIT: Coming out of College, Beadles was regarded as an ELITE LT. The main problem that Scouts had with him was they felt his arms were to short to be a OT in the NFL.

[Mantheyman]

Yes. He shouldn't be handed the job. I have stood by that all along. It depends how the draft falls though. If Osweiler is their in the second I would take him.

Make that two of us

How people think he should be handed the job after so many dismal performances is absolutely stunning.

Defense, special teams and McGahee were the main reasons we got to where we are this season.

[Mantheyman]

Thank you for the kind words.

It's irrelevant.

I realize a lot of people on here can't distinguish between my critiques of Tebow's skills and "hate," but I know a lot of people that have to see the world in black and white like that. Hell, I used to teach 150 of them every day.

For those who were not in my 7th grade Humanities class, I'll say what I've always said about Tebow; he doesn't need to be pushed.

Tebow pushes Tebow. Elway will push Tebow to be the best Tebow Tebow can be. So will Fox.

We don't need anyone to push Tebow. Tebow can either do it or he can't.

Tim Tebow is a very hard worker.

No one brought into camp could possibly push Tebow harder than he pushes himself. You don't need to light a fire under his ass. He lights his own... Ass... Wait...

He's a self-starter. Let's say that.

All we have to decide is if Tebow is going to be our guy. If so, Tebow will work amazingly hard all on his own. We don't need to worry about pushing him. He pushes himself.

I think that if you bring in another quarterback, it's so that you can go another way entirely.

If you're just looking for a backup, you can get one relatively easily later in the draft that we can just kind of chuck in there and hope for the best. We're not getting another Tebow though, and he's either your guy or he's a tight end. He cannot be plugged into any other system, and no other quarterback can ever be plugged into his.

So if Tebow's such a great competitor, then why would he shy away from a competition with another QB?:2cents:

[Alastor]

So if Tebow's such a great competitor, then why would he shy away from a competition with another QB?:2cents:

Who said he'd shy away from competition?

[johnlimburg]

Make that two of us

How people think he should be handed the job after so many dismal performances is absolutely stunning.

Defense, special teams and McGahee were the main reasons we got to where we are this season.

So true. Tebow helped but I think with a compentant QB playing in some of those games we could have won a lot easier.

[Snarfalicious]

Bring in Josh Johnson on the promise to be given a fair QB competition. All the guy wants is a chance to start somewhere.

He's an elite athlete, has a great arm, and he throws the ball with nice touch and after watching him over the years, he's really developed into a good NFL QB that is just stuck behind a guy that the franchise drafted to be their franchise QB.

Bring him in, give him a fair shot, and honestly I think he could surprise a ton of people.

[Inertia]

How many quarterbacks have there been that can power run up the gut, run the option, and throw remotely well? If we look at the entire NFL, I can count them on one finger currently

I think you just described Ronnie Brown

[broncos SB2010]

Beadles did pretty good last year against the Colts. And IIRC, he didn't allow a sack.

EDIT: Coming out of College, Beadles was regarded as an ELITE LT. The main problem that Scouts had with him was they felt his arms were to short to be a OT in the NFL.

That part isn't true, at least at the NFL level. Most people saw him as an OG in the NFL.

from NFL.com

He is an adequate athlete that would struggle with the kind of speed coming off the edge in the NFL and needs to move back inside to guard.

from cbssports
Regarded as one of the elite offensive tackles in college football, most professional talent evaluators view Beadles as the ideal guard at the next level.

[-Rod-]

I'm much more worried about the DBs, MLB and pass rush. Hello? Tom Brady just threw 6 TD passes. Zero sacks, zero. Competition for Tebow? I'd rather spend the valuable draft picks on a CB that can cover, a 3-down MLB that can stop the run and cover man-to-man, a DT that can create inside pressure. The Patriots scored 42 points and they only had 6 (!) 3rd down situations the whole game. 509 total yards. Yeah, let's draft a QB in the 2nd round...

[Snarfalicious]

I'm much more worried about the DBs, MLB and pass rush. Hello? Tom Brady just threw 6 TD passes. Zero sacks, zero. Competition for Tebow? I'd rather spend the valuable draft picks on a CB that can cover, a 3-down MLB that can stop the run and cover man-to-man, a DT that can create inside pressure. The Patriots scored 42 points and they only had 6 (!) 3rd down situations the whole game. 509 total yards. Yeah, let's draft a QB in the 2nd round...

You're exactly right.

That's why I'm an advocate for Josh Johnson. He can't be that expensive, and he's still young. He's got the ability, and he still gives us an athletic QB that can throw, and he's a great guy. And of course, he wouldn't cost us a pick.

As far as what you mentioned with MLB. Where do you stand on Irving? I know as far as I'm concerned, I give him next year to start. We retain Haggan, and if Irving struggles, just throw Haggan out there and look to address that issue in 2013. Irving came in for one play yesterday when Mays went down. He diagnosed the run immediately, and made the tackle and limited the run to a 1 yard gain. Small sample size? Of course. But it was nice to see him come in right away and show those instincts that I loved when I watched his tape coming out of college.

The secondary needs a ton of help, and that was before hearing that Dawkins is considering retirement. I like how Carter turned it on near the end of the year. He was starting to put himself in those similar positions that he would frequently at Oklahoma. JayJack mentioned an idea that I thought made sense which was possibly moving Chris Harris to FS next year if Rahim Moore can't learn how to play the NFL game. I think a Harris/Carter duo at safety is a pretty nice pair. Harris is a playmaker, Carter is that run enforcing type of guy. Both are quality tacklers with Harris being near elite in that aspect. We will get Squid Thompson back next year and he showed us what he could do as a NCB in his rookie season. Then we can turn our attention to removing Goody and finding his replacement either via FA or the draft (I'd prefer to pick up a FA and draft a CB in the 2nd to start to groom - Boykin/Hosley are my choices there).

Pass rush from the interior of the line is going to be a big issue to address. Bunkley is a pure beast and needs to be re-signed. I'd love to see what kind of year he could put together with a guy who actually draws attention next to him. Calais Campbell is a pipe dream imo, but Jason Jones would be a terrific addition. He dropped some weight to put himself in a position to play some LE for the Titans, so he definitely has the athleticism we need on the interior. He said he wants to play DT again because he wasn't as successful as a LE, so we could obviously guarantee him that chance. I think he'd be a superb pickup that would come at a fraction of the price that Campbell would.

[Mantheyman]

Who said he'd shy away from competition?

Apparently, all of the people that say he's the guaranteed starter for next year.

Burger Bill from ESPN says EFX should already commit to him.

Smoke and mirrors.:paper:


When he can get a better chemistry with his receivers and complete 10-15% more of his passes, then I'll maybe buy into the idea of him being "the guy".