Prospects Comparison to NFL Players

[Matymaddog]

Otah was only known for his run blocking coming out and is still primarily known for that. He also came out at 350 and is now 330. He plays nothing like Martin. Nothing.

[THEdraftnik]

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2892

Andrew Luck isn't the only Stanford prospect with Top 10 potential. Jonathan Martin is an excellent offensive tackle prospect who is sure to hear his name called in the first round of the 2012 NFL Draft.
Martin's strengths revolve around his high football IQ, quickness and ability to move well in open space. He displays an elite talent for run blocking. Using a low pad level, he moves defenders to create running room. He can quickly get to the second level and has sufficient speed to pull.

As a pass protector, there is room for improvement. Sometimes relies too much on quickness to get him into position. His footwork will need to be cleaned up. Bull rushers can catch him off-balance and will have to do a better job of keeping his balance. Improving his knee-bend while absorbing contact could immediately improve how he takes on power moves. His athleticism, and the upside that comes from it, should benefit him in the NFL as teams will feel they can improve his few technical deficiencies.

Yawn.

[Matymaddog]

Also, Mendenhall ran a 4.41 coming out of college and MJD ran a 4.39

Trent Richardson is compact, strong, quick, has great moves (Mendenhall has practically no moves) and can block as well as catch out of the back field (Mendenhall is not so versatile). I think you need to seriously rethink your comparisons because they are worse than the OP

[Matymaddog]

Is that how you figured out how Martin played? You read fftoolbox? lol, because I've watched him play. Better pass protector than run blocker and a much more well rounded o-linemen than Otah. *Yawn* You seriously need to rethink your username

[Matymaddog]

My reference, the Pac-12 website lol

[Matymaddog]

Here's how fftoolbox feels about RGIII

2012 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:

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Robert Griffin, QB, Baylor
All the highlights and hype are certainly creating a buzz around Robert Griffin III. The truth is though, Griffin is a very raw prospect with a few positives and a few negatives in his skill-set.
It's clear that Griffin has come a long way over the last few years. His ability to throw down the field while in the pocket has improved tremendously. That said, there are a lot of occasions where he bails out too quickly, takes his eyes off his receivers and runs. NFL coaches are really going to want him to keep his eyes downfield, even when scrambling in order to extend the play.

Many will want to compare Griffin to Cam Newton, but this isn't a fair assessment. Griffin is shorter and lacks the bulk that Newton has. He has very thin legs and arms. Griffin is, of course, quicker and more agile, but he doesn't have the body to handle the abuse of scrambling often and absorbing hits.

Griffin will need to continue his ability to read defenses, check out of bad plays, and roll through his progressions. He is a very talented quarterback with some very high upside, but he has to develop and better understand the game. Another year at Baylor may be best.

If he does come out early, he may sneak into the first round, but in all likelihood, he will drop into the second or third.




Second or third round prospect? Would you agree with that?

Probably one of the worst websites for scouting reports.

[Matymaddog]

And I also find it funny you said both Otah and Martin struggle with speed rushers. The scouting report you posted proves your point wrong. Martin is declared as struggling with bull rushers but is cited for having quick feet to deal with speed rushers. durp da durp

[the0rangecrush]

Here's how fftoolbox feels about RGIII

2012 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:

person
Robert Griffin, QB, Baylor
All the highlights and hype are certainly creating a buzz around Robert Griffin III. The truth is though, Griffin is a very raw prospect with a few positives and a few negatives in his skill-set.
It's clear that Griffin has come a long way over the last few years. His ability to throw down the field while in the pocket has improved tremendously. That said, there are a lot of occasions where he bails out too quickly, takes his eyes off his receivers and runs. NFL coaches are really going to want him to keep his eyes downfield, even when scrambling in order to extend the play.

Many will want to compare Griffin to Cam Newton, but this isn't a fair assessment. Griffin is shorter and lacks the bulk that Newton has. He has very thin legs and arms. Griffin is, of course, quicker and more agile, but he doesn't have the body to handle the abuse of scrambling often and absorbing hits.

Griffin will need to continue his ability to read defenses, check out of bad plays, and roll through his progressions. He is a very talented quarterback with some very high upside, but he has to develop and better understand the game. Another year at Baylor may be best.

If he does come out early, he may sneak into the first round, but in all likelihood, he will drop into the second or third.




Second or third round prospect? Would you agree with that?

Probably one of the worst websites for scouting reports.

2-3rd no, but he should be a late 1st early second. He has gotten mega hype, and a vast majority of his yards and TDs are inflated with short routes the recievers break into big gains, or they just burn the defender for a deep pass.

[THEdraftnik]

Is that how you figured out how Martin played? You read fftoolbox? lol, because I've watched him play. Better pass protector than run blocker and a much more well rounded o-linemen than Otah. *Yawn* You seriously need to rethink your username

No I made my opinion from watching him against Stanford and USC. USC's speed rushers beat him while he dominated both games in run blocking. That's how I based my opinion. Quit trolling and show some respect and maybe I will return the favor.

[THEdraftnik]

Here's how fftoolbox feels about RGIII

2012 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:

person
Robert Griffin, QB, Baylor
All the highlights and hype are certainly creating a buzz around Robert Griffin III. The truth is though, Griffin is a very raw prospect with a few positives and a few negatives in his skill-set.
It's clear that Griffin has come a long way over the last few years. His ability to throw down the field while in the pocket has improved tremendously. That said, there are a lot of occasions where he bails out too quickly, takes his eyes off his receivers and runs. NFL coaches are really going to want him to keep his eyes downfield, even when scrambling in order to extend the play.

Many will want to compare Griffin to Cam Newton, but this isn't a fair assessment. Griffin is shorter and lacks the bulk that Newton has. He has very thin legs and arms. Griffin is, of course, quicker and more agile, but he doesn't have the body to handle the abuse of scrambling often and absorbing hits.

Griffin will need to continue his ability to read defenses, check out of bad plays, and roll through his progressions. He is a very talented quarterback with some very high upside, but he has to develop and better understand the game. Another year at Baylor may be best.

If he does come out early, he may sneak into the first round, but in all likelihood, he will drop into the second or third.




Second or third round prospect? Would you agree with that?

Probably one of the worst websites for scouting reports.

Last updated October 24th

C'mon man. You're making this too easy.

[turtle18]

Here are some college prospects that I think compare to some NFL players.
If there's someone you think is better than what I put go ahead and put it.
And you can add more players that I didn't put.


QB
Andrew Luck-Matt Ryan (but more mobile)
I would say more like Roethlisberger, just a huge monster with a good arm and good instincts. They also both can move around behind the line.
Robert Griffin III-Donovan McNabb
RG3 plays like Rodgers (a super undeveloped one), great arm, incredible accuracy and mobility. He is the best QB of the class, and time will show.
Ryan Tannehill-Jay Cutler (but less arm)
This is the worst comparison for the QB's. Completely opposite players. Tannehill is a great runner/athlete (former WR) with an average arm and very little experience. As an Aggie I can confidently say the two are nothing alike. Cutler has a rocket arm and bad instincts, Tannehill has rocket legs, weak arm and not enough experience to judge his mental capacity.

RB
Trent Richardson-Maurice Jones-Drew
Lamar Miller-Clinton Portis
Chris Polk-Cedric Benson
David Wilson-Jamaal Charles
LaMichael James-Darren Sproles

WR
Justin Blackmon-Hakeem Nicks
Alshon Jeffrey-Mike Williams (USC)
Kendall Wright-Santonio Holmes
Dwight Jones-Malcolm Floyd
Michael Floyd-Brandon Marshall

TE
Dwayne Allen-Ben Watson
Coby Fleener-Jimmy Graham

DL
Quinton Coples-Calais Campbell
Melvin Ingram-Charles Johnson

LB
Vontaze Burfict-Bart Scott
Luke Kuechly-Sean Lee
Courtney Upshaw-LaMarr Woodley
Zach Brown-Derrick Brooks
Donta Hightower-Brandon Spikes

DB
Morris Claiborne-Jonathan Joseph
Janoris Jenkins-Asante Samuel

So watcha guys think?
Didn't even look past the QB's. I think you just picked players lazily based on quickly made opinions.

QB
Andrew Luck- Peyton Manning
And while yes Luck is more athletic, I don't think you will see him scramble as much in the NFL as he has at Stanford. In the pocket he is very similar to Peyton. He has similar arm strength. And the aforementioned cerebral part.
I don't think you can say anyone is cerebral like Manning coming out of college, but I think eventually they will play similar.

Robert Griffin III- Steve Young
RG3 and Young are both finess runners with good not great arms. Both have great accuracy. Both needed/will need developing.
Terrible, Griffin is a much better passer than Young coming out of college. Vick and Rodgers are much better comparisons.

Ryan Tannehill- Alex Smith
Athletes, successful in college. Not a franchise QB.
Decent comparison, but I think Tannehill runs much better and has a lot more upside than Smith in the passing game. He is pretty accurate, just needs time to develop the mental part of his game. Has shown flashes of being clutch and flashes of being overwhelmed. I wouldn't draft him before the 3rd.

RB
Trent Richardson- Rashard Mendenhall
Mendenhall and Richardson are both power downhill runners. Neither can break off 60 yard runs, but are great pure runners. Jones-Drew is much more well rounded and much faster.
Mendenhall can't break off runs? Have you seen him run before?

Lamar Miller- Clinton Portis
Super speedy, a little hesitent. Great triangle numbers.

Montee Ball- LaDanian Tomlinson
Touchdown monsters, well rounded, great cutting ability. Does not have Tomlinson's straight line speed.

Chris Polk- Willis McGahee
Workhorse with underated speed

David Wilson- Jamaal Charles
Great speed and cutting ability

LaMichael James- Barry Sanders
James is very similar to Sanders. And he runs with more power than guys like Darren Sproles. Is he Sanders caliber? No. But yes I would say he is a poor man's Sanders.

WR
Justin Blackmon- Dez Bryant
Great all around receivers but have concentration laspes. Similar athletes.

Alshon Jeffrey- Mike Williams (USC)
Questionable work ethic, but talent is there.

Kendall Wright- Mike Wallace
Great speed and route runners. Can make defenses pay.

Dwight Jones- Vincent Jackson
Can go up and make plays with great size and speed.

Michael Floyd- Larry Fitzgerald
Will make the touch catches all over the field.

TE
Dwayne Allen- Antonio Gates
Great blocker with great athleticism and receiving ability.

Coby Fleener- Heath Miller
Great blockers with subpar speed.

OL
Matt Kalil- Joe Thomas
Elite blind side protector, a bit light and worse in run blocking. Definitely not bad, just they are better at pass protecting.

David DeCastro- Logan Mankins
Great all around man handling guard with great technique.

Riley Reiff- Matt Light
Great technition who comes from Iowa and has the Patriots mold.

Johnathon Martin- Jeff Otah
Otah and Martin both struggle with speed rushers and are both very, very good run blockers.

DL
Quinton Coples- Julius Peppers
Talent is there, both have motors that run hot/cold.

Whitney Mercilus- Osi Umenyoria
Great speed rushers who have a knack for stripping the football.

Andre Branch- Jason Pierre Paul
Great all around defensive ends with similar size. Not quite the athlete that Pierre Paul is.

Melvin Ingram- Charles Johnson
All around defensive end with similar measureables.

Jerel Worthey- Corey Williams
Thick penetrators who can make plays. Questionable motor.

Fletcher Cox- Reggie White
Fletcher Cox 6'4 295 rumored to run a 4.6, tweener who can play defensive end or tackle. Reggie White 6'5 300 runs a 4.6, tweener who plays defensive end and tackle.

Devon Still- Jared Odrick
Still and Odrick are both penetrators. Colleges tend to recruit similar players to fit their scheme, and Still and Odrick are similar athletes who both are more suited as one gap penetrators.

Brandon Thompson- Brodrick Bunkley
Great run stoppers who have similar athleticism and potential as penetrators.

LB
Vontaze Burfict- Rey Maualuga
Bone head, but definitely has tried to change. And it has made him worse.

Luke Kuechly- Paul Posluzny
Technition and tackle machine who lacks the elite athleicism.

Courtney Upshaw- LaMarr Woodley
3-4 rush backers with great pass rushing.

Zach Brown- Patrick Willis
Similar athletes with great potential.

Donta Hightower- Rolando McClain
Similar measureables and ability coming out of Bama.

DB
Morris Claiborne- Champ Bailey
Great ball skills, coverage ability, and tackling.

Janoris Jenkins- Asaunte Samuel
Instinct players with great ball skills.

Dre Kirkpatrick- Malcom Jenkins
Might be better suited for safety, registered 0 picks this year.

Johnthan Banks- Nnamdi Asomugha
Watch him play. Always around the ball for a corner. Lots of turnovers this season.

Mark Barron- Darren Sharper
Great all around safety with good form and hard hitting ability.
I dont have the time to go through the players, but your comparisons make sense, not bad, but not perfect.

I understand I am not right about everything, but I could just tell some of these were a bit off. Glad you guys are putting in the time though!

[THEdraftnik]

I understand I am not right about everything, but I could just tell some of these were a bit off. Glad you guys are putting in the time though!

On Mendenhall, I just meant that his speed doesn't make him a home run treat. You don't see him run to around the edge then just out run everybody. That's not his game. He is a hard downhill runner who breaks tackles and make people miss.

[turtle18]

On Mendenhall, I just meant that his speed doesn't make him a home run treat. You don't see him run to around the edge then just out run everybody. That's not his game. He is a hard downhill runner who breaks tackles and make people miss.

I agree he isn't an edge rusher, but the guy does have speed. He's just not CJ Spiller or Chris Johnson.

[Matymaddog]

So you have seen one game? Just against USC?

[Touch_30_Down]

I honestly don't get the Jonathon Martin one at all. If anything he's a much better pass protector and does well against speed rushers, he's so light on his feet. Reminds me of Clady.

I can buy the Steve Young comparison, both are guys that are mobile but really don't run and are pocket QBs that have this ability to scramble if they really need too. Both are also really accurate, and I will say though that Griffin's deepball is one of the prettiest deep balls I've seen.

Kendall Wright really reminds me of Steve Smith, he has plenty of speed/quickness, but he is also able to make catches in traffic and has that strength that made Steve Smith such a threat.

I love the Lamar Miller to Clinton Portis comparison it fits really well.

Zach Brown is not Patrick Willis. Patrick Willis is so much stronger, has about 10 pounds on Brown, and destroys blockers/ball carriers. Brown sort of reminds me of Jon Beason, sort of undersized, speedy, and not very good at shedding blockers.

I like Blackmoon as a slower Nicks.

LaMichael James reminds me of DeAngelo Williams. Both run in between the tackles with great speed, but neither can be described as a bruiser, nor are they backs with a lot of wiggle. They have good speed, great vision, and the ability to break tackles.

Michael Floyd and Larry Fitzgerald is a pretty solid comparison, but that is if Floyd does stay healthy and out of trouble.

Luke Kuelchy has instincts that are similar to what I saw in James Laurinitis, but he doesn't have his athleticism. Poluszny with better instincts would be the most accurate probably.