TN Titan Michael Griffin

[spcdlee02]

I wouldn't mind him either. I think he would be a great addition. Playing him could help with the development of Rahim and Carter. He wouldn't have to play every down. The way it sounds, he doesn't play every down anyway. Yet he has still been in the league for 5 years, so he somewhat adds that veteran leadership for those guys. And he has been to a pro bowl in his career - so he knows how to be successful. Chances are he will not be as expensive, I don't think, as a Leron Landry. Sounds like a perfect fit.

If we were to get him, what other free agent signing do you think we sign? For what position? I seriously think we need to sign a top Corner. We should let Goodman go, or trade him for cheap. That opens up cap space and a roster spot for someone. I think we should go after Terrell Thomas if he is available or Brandon Carr from the Chiefs. Additionally we should draft a CB too. Our CB's for next year should look something like this:

Champ Baily
Terrell Thomas/Brandon Carr
Chris Harris
Sydquan Thomas
Vaugn/ Rookie (3rd Round)

I also would like to see a CB signed as a FA. We HAVE to upgrade our secondary. Champ is our only constant. Harris is a huge bright spot, but not a solution to what ailes us. I'm not sold on our current safties. With a guy like Dawk back there for them to learn from, they look lost. That's what really bothers me. I feel they should be at least a little further along then what they've shown. If Dawk is to retire, with what I've seen out of our current safeties, it would be too weak an area going into next season. We would need an upgrade at one of the 2 positions. To me, Griffin won't break the bank and would be a great upgrade.

[ERoyal248]

We need a SS, not another FS.

Meh, getting Griffin would be big, but..

And Carter is more of a SS.

Don't think it happens since we drafted two young safeties anyway.

If we're throwing money at someone, go get Calais Campbell.

[Touch_30_Down]

Safety is not an easy position to transition too. It takes a lot of guys a couple years to figure it out, look at Michael Huff in Oakland, he struggled really for the first three years of his career and then he has started to play really well. That was a guy who wasn't only a 1st round pick, but actually had proper offseasons to go through. It is especially hard when you match two young safeties together as neither has someone to rely on, and young safeties aren't going to make communication amongst the secondary easy.

[beastlyskronk]

We need a SS, not another FS.

Fox converted 2 CBs to play S in Carolina. Sherrod Martin and Charles Godfrey both played CB in college. Chris Harris was the only true S he had and the only reason he got PT there was because he could force fumbles better than anyone at the time. Fox puts a premium on turnovers and he wants safeties that can ballhawk. If he thinks Michael Griffin is a better ballhawk than what Moore and Carter will eventually end up as, then he'll go after him.

[beastlyskronk]

Safety is not an easy position to transition too. It takes a lot of guys a couple years to figure it out, look at Michael Huff in Oakland, he struggled really for the first three years of his career and then he has started to play really well. That was a guy who wasn't only a 1st round pick, but actually had proper offseasons to go through. It is especially hard when you match two young safeties together as neither has someone to rely on, and young safeties aren't going to make communication amongst the secondary easy.

And Michael Huff is probably one of the most physically gifted safeties in the NFL. S is a position that is based mainly on instincts and football intelligence. The most important physical ability to a S is his burst and it means nothing if his instincts and/or football intelligence are bad. Long speed doesn't mean anything if he can't accelerate to jump a route or accelerate to get over the top. A S doesn't need 4.3 or even 4.4 speed to be good. 4.5 and 4.6 are fine if he has great acceleration. Rahim Moore ran a 4.52 at his Pro Day and he has a 1.56 10 yard split. Eric Berry ran a 4.47 and has a 1.54 10 yard split. That acceleration is what allows Berry to be great, not being .05 seconds faster. Carter had a 1.62 10 yard split fwiw. Moore also has better hips than Carter.

[Touch_30_Down]

And Michael Huff is probably one of the most physically gifted safeties in the NFL. S is a position that is based mainly on instincts and football intelligence. The most important physical ability to a S is his burst and it means nothing if his instincts and/or football intelligence are bad. Long speed doesn't mean anything if he can't accelerate to jump a route or accelerate to get over the top. A S doesn't need 4.3 or even 4.4 speed to be good. 4.5 and 4.6 are fine if he has great acceleration. Rahim Moore ran a 4.52 at his Pro Day and he has a 1.56 10 yard split. Eric Berry ran a 4.47 and has a 1.54 10 yard split. That acceleration is what allows Berry to be great, not being .05 seconds faster. Carter had a 1.62 10 yard split fwiw. Moore also has better hips than Carter.

You're right.
Instincts, football intelligence, and experience are way more important than athletic ability at the safety position. The more football you play, and the more offseasons you have the better you are going to get at the mental aspects of the game which is probably the most important part for a safety. While I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in a veteran safety if Dawkins does indeed retire to mentor these guys and ease their transition into the NFL, I don't think spending a good deal of money for a fairly young safety is a good use of money for this team when we have two potential starters waiting. All I want to point out is that when you put two young safeties together without a proper offseason for either of them, you aren't looking at a recipe for success. You are putting them in a position to fail, and that's what they've done. With some time, and an actual offseason both Carter and Moore can become really good players. We've already seen how quick judgments on secondary players can allow other teams to pick up our trash and use their natural talents to be pretty good players (Alphonso Smith).

[beastlyskronk]

You're right.
Instincts, football intelligence, and experience are way more important than athletic ability at the safety position. The more football you play, and the more offseasons you have the better you are going to get at the mental aspects of the game which is probably the most important part for a safety. While I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in a veteran safety if Dawkins does indeed retire to mentor these guys and ease their transition into the NFL, I don't think spending a good deal of money for a fairly young safety is a good use of money for this team when we have two potential starters waiting. All I want to point out is that when you put two young safeties together without a proper offseason for either of them, you aren't looking at a recipe for success. You are putting them in a position to fail, and that's what they've done. With some time, and an actual offseason both Carter and Moore can become really good players. We've already seen how quick judgments on secondary players can allow other teams to pick up our trash and use their natural talents to be pretty good players (Alphonso Smith).

Exactly, Moore has already shown some flashes this year. While they've been few and far between, I think he's really going to develop quite nicely next year. Carter might take a little longer and I think he's ultimately going to be the more prototypical "box SS". Hopefully he can turn into Sam Brandon coverage wise though. I like both of them, I think Carter definitely has the tools but this year, he looks nothing like he did in college. I can actually say the same for Moore, but it's more a positive for him because he's been a lot more aggressive when hitting WRs in the NFL. I never saw those big hits in college.

[Touch_30_Down]

Exactly, Moore has already shown some flashes this year. While they've been few and far between, I think he's really going to develop quite nicely next year. Carter might take a little longer and I think he's ultimately going to be the more prototypical "box SS". Hopefully he can turn into Sam Brandon coverage wise though. I like both of them, I think Carter definitely has the tools but this year, he looks nothing like he did in college. I can actually say the same for Moore, but it's more a positive for him because he's been a lot more aggressive when hitting WRs in the NFL. I never saw those big hits in college.

Moore's instincts have generally been on point, he seems to be in good positions to make plays which is a plus. The problem is he isn't really executing at all, he's dropped a couple balls and he's missed tackles. Those things are a lot easier to fix though. As for Carter, he's played like garbage the last few games but earlier in the year he was playing fine in coverage and was tackling well with Dawkins by his side. So I'm pretty optimistic there as well.

[ayacouby]

You're right.
Instincts, football intelligence, and experience are way more important than athletic ability at the safety position. The more football you play, and the more offseasons you have the better you are going to get at the mental aspects of the game which is probably the most important part for a safety. While I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in a veteran safety if Dawkins does indeed retire to mentor these guys and ease their transition into the NFL, I don't think spending a good deal of money for a fairly young safety is a good use of money for this team when we have two potential starters waiting. All I want to point out is that when you put two young safeties together without a proper offseason for either of them, you aren't looking at a recipe for success. You are putting them in a position to fail, and that's what they've done. With some time, and an actual offseason both Carter and Moore can become really good players. We've already seen how quick judgments on secondary players can allow other teams to pick up our trash and use their natural talents to be pretty good players (Alphonso Smith).

Which veteran do you think would be good to bring in if indeed Dawkins retires

[Touch_30_Down]

Honestly there isn't anyone that can replace Dawkins, but there are a group of safeties in their early 30's/late 20's that are solid players that could teach these guys the game while being a stopgap at the position.
Jordan Babineux, Reggie Nelson, and Chris Hope are possibilities. But for me I'd say the most reasonable option would be Chris Harris. He has connections to John Fox, and he's a solid safety even if he did play bad earlier this year. He'd be affordable and yet still play at a fairly high level.

The best safeties that are free agents this year are all fairly young 25-27 range, which includes Goldson, DeCoud, Landry, Griffin, and Branch. Most of those guys are probably going to be retained, and if they aren't I would think they'd be offered pretty good sized contracts. And frankly since I think Carter and Moore will be good with time, I don't think investing that money into one of these guys would be all that wise.

[johnlimburg]

Mr inconsistent. No thankyou.

[ayacouby]

Is he available now? I'll take a chance with him.

[beastlyskronk]

Moore's instincts have generally been on point, he seems to be in good positions to make plays which is a plus. The problem is he isn't really executing at all, he's dropped a couple balls and he's missed tackles. Those things are a lot easier to fix though. As for Carter, he's played like garbage the last few games but earlier in the year he was playing fine in coverage and was tackling well with Dawkins by his side. So I'm pretty optimistic there as well.

Yeah Moore has looked a lot better than people on here give him credit for. Carter has looked so hesitant all year though, even when he was making tackles and doing well in coverage, but I have to think that he was doing well in coverage because of the pressure we were getting. I think once Carter adjusts to the speed of the game he'll be pretty good. I think Moore will eventually be a great FS for us. I like both of their potential, I just think Moore will reach it faster because he's trusting his instincts and Carter isn't. Moore's biggest problem right now is his lack of strength which hurts his tackling. He was always the type of tackler that would drag RBs and WRs down rather than wrapping them up and stopping them in their tracks. But now with NFL RBs and WRs being not only stronger but faster he's having a hard time doing that. The offseason will really help him there.

[maddenking27]

Griffin is great and all but Landry is my number one S i hope we bring in.But im more than okay with either one.:thumb:

[Broncosinindy]

Denver already has two young safeties.

Save the money for a larger need and get more of a vet.

Denver has two young safties. I thik Moore has regressed and it may have hurt him long term, We desperately need a Vet back there to help line up the D. I dont see how you cant sign him.

I think Carter has played pretty bad as well. but he gets over shadowed by Moores dreadful season. Its nice to have a team that can have competition at a position and that would definitely create that.

Your second sentence doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Get a more of a vet? Griffin is a vet. please clarify