25th Draft pick history and what they said

[one5beast]

Yes, except maybe Kuelchy, but I'm not too sure about that.

In short, the linebackers in this draft really suck for what we need. We are better off seeing if Irving actually shows what he did as a prospect with a veteran guy behind him. If not I really would love to take a guy like Manti Te'o next year, he's an incredible prospect.

I kinda wanna see how Irving does next season. If he sucks then I'll be all for getting Teo. But he probably wouldn't be there at pick #32 . If that's the case Andrew Jackson from Western Kentucky.

[Kyousukeneko]

Interesting John Fox picked the best player of his regime at pick 25. Yes, Beason is better than Peppers, IMO.

Regardless, even if you disagree with that, he drafted his second best player at this spot.

They do say Zach Brown is comparable to Jon Beason...

jon beason is one of the best MLB in the league. can brown play MLB?

[johnlimburg]

WILL is his ideal fit, but if we were to get him he'd be a better MLB than DJ would. I don't want Brown though, I think it would be a bad pick but if he was drafted he should go to the middle not the edge.

I disagree. DJ has experience in the middle and despite noit great in the middle was decent. Brown would get eaten alive on the inside. He better not be the pick but if he is I think he should be an outside linebacker only.

We've already had this discussion. Burfict is overrated as a 4-3 MLB. He's stiff and can't change directions well, not to mention he's a pretty bad tackler and lacks discipline which you sort of need when you are the leader of a defense. Irving doesn't have quite the instincts that Kuechly have, but he's much better athletically and gets off blocks better. Irving doesn't have quite the physical talent that Burfict has with his size/speed but Irving is a more fluid player and is a much better tackler than Burfict. He doesn't do anything particularly amazing but he was a prospect with few actual holes in his game and instead does everything pretty well.

No he is not. That is your opinion and after you say you would prefer Brown inside over every MIKE in this draft as well as Irving I really do not but much into what you are saying as far as him being overrated.

Yes, except maybe Kuelchy, but I'm not too sure about that.

In short, the linebackers in this draft really suck for what we need. We are better off seeing if Irving actually shows what he did as a prospect with a veteran guy behind him. If not I really would love to take a guy like Manti Te'o next year, he's an incredible prospect.

Irving I didn't like all that much coming out of NC State but hopefully he has gotten better over the last year. He may get his shot to compete but your opinion of him being better than all the guys this year and Brown also is laughable.

[Touch_30_Down]

Well when you said at WILL it would mean moving DJ. That would be terrible. He will get eaten up at MLB. he will get murdered in there.

WILL is his ideal fit, but if we were to get him he'd be a better MLB than DJ would. I don't want Brown though, I think it would be a bad pick but if he was drafted he should go to the middle not the edge.

Who doesn't fit our system. Burfict would be perfect for us. Extremly physical. He has good range and is a play maker. Irving is a decent prospect but in no way is he a better prospect than either Kuecly and Burfict.

We've already had this discussion. Burfict is overrated as a 4-3 MLB. He's stiff and can't change directions well, not to mention he's a pretty bad tackler and lacks discipline which you sort of need when you are the leader of a defense. Irving doesn't have quite the instincts that Kuechly have, but he's much better athletically and gets off blocks better. Irving doesn't have quite the physical talent that Burfict has with his size/speed but Irving is a more fluid player and is a much better tackler than Burfict. He doesn't do anything particularly amazing but he was a prospect with few actual holes in his game and instead does everything pretty well.

I wouldn't. So you prefer Brown at MIKE than any of these other guys you just mentioned. Okay.

Yes, except maybe Kuelchy, but I'm not too sure about that.

In short, the linebackers in this draft really suck for what we need. We are better off seeing if Irving actually shows what he did as a prospect with a veteran guy behind him. If not I really would love to take a guy like Manti Te'o next year, he's an incredible prospect.

[johnlimburg]

I can agree with the statement that Denver does not neccesarily need to draft a new backer.

That said, if the best player available is a backer, maybe that's the direction Denver needs to go and add a playmaker and a future cornerstone of the team.

:shrugs:

All depends on who the decision makers rank over another and their draft day strategy.

That is your opinion. There is not just one BPA. Need is always a factor to some degree.

[SoundsOfSuccess]

I can agree with the statement that Denver does not neccesarily need to draft a new backer.

That said, if the best player available is a backer, maybe that's the direction Denver needs to go and add a playmaker and a future cornerstone of the team.

:shrugs:

All depends on who the decision makers rank over another and their draft day strategy.

[johnlimburg]

Where did I say I wanted to move DJ?
All I said was that Zach could play MLB but his best fit is probably WILL linebacker as it also allows him to blitz more and use his athleticism to be a chase and tackle backer as opposed to a guy who drops into coverage and has to read/react to plays which he is good at but not exceptional at.

Well when you said at WILL it would mean moving DJ. That would be terrible. He will get eaten up at MLB. he will get murdered in there.

I've stated multiple times that DJ shouldn't be moved. He's playing well at the WILL position and he has always played well there, we saw how he played at MIKE backer and it was pretty bad.

Drafting a middle linebacker this year is not going to work because the draft really isn't a good draft for guys that would fit our system. I'd say that we have a guy on our team who can step up into the position now that he's had a full year to learn and he's a guy who is a better prospect than any of the 4-3 MLB prospects this year.

Who doesn't fit our system. Burfict would be perfect for us. Extremly physical. He has good range and is a play maker. Irving is a decent prospect but in no way is he a better prospect than either Kuecly and Burfict.

I don't think we should draft a linebacker but if you put a gun to my head with that #25 pick I rather have Brown over Burfict or Hightower. I'd probably still have him over Kuechly just because of his relatively low ceiling but that's sort of debateble to me.

I wouldn't. So you prefer Brown at MIKE than any of these other guys you just mentioned. Okay.

But to be clear I want to bring in a veteran middle linebacker that could step in if needed and serves as mentor to Irving, not another young guy. We're fine at the WILL/SAM spot for now.

Yeh them too outside spots are good

[Touch_30_Down]

Where did I say I wanted to move DJ?
All I said was that Zach could play MLB but his best fit is probably WILL linebacker as it also allows him to blitz more and use his athleticism to be a chase and tackle backer as opposed to a guy who drops into coverage and has to read/react to plays which he is good at but not exceptional at.

I've stated multiple times that DJ shouldn't be moved. He's playing well at the WILL position and he has always played well there, we saw how he played at MIKE backer and it was pretty bad.

Drafting a middle linebacker this year is not going to work because the draft really isn't a good draft for guys that would fit our system. I'd say that we have a guy on our team who can step up into the position now that he's had a full year to learn and he's a guy who is a better prospect than any of the 4-3 MLB prospects this year.

I don't think we should draft a linebacker but if you put a gun to my head with that #25 pick I rather have Brown over Burfict or Hightower. I'd probably still have him over Kuechly just because of his relatively low ceiling but that's sort of debateble to me.

But to be clear I want to bring in a veteran middle linebacker that could step in if needed and serves as mentor to Irving, not another young guy. We're fine at the WILL/SAM spot for now.

[johnlimburg]

I like Brown a hell of a lot more than Burfict or Hightower or Kuechly for us. I think his best fit is definitely the WILL linebacker but his instincts are pretty good and he's athletic enough to be solid in coverage/be a sideline to sideline backer. It isn't even a huge deal for me that he can't shed blocks because that is something that can be taught and he can still be a really good MLB without that. But my big problem with him is his intangibles, I don't even care that he has some red flags but the guy isn't a leader, you need that from your MLB. It's funny because all those others guys have this quality but there is something in their skill set that makes them less ideal, here you have a guy who can probably play the MLB position with decent success but he doesn't have the intangibles for the position. It's for that reason I'd still rate Irving as a better prospect than him too. He's not a perfect prospect and he doesn't do anything exceptionally well other than his great instincts but there really aren't holes in his game, I love that about him.

Why move DJ again. Why ? If any line backer spot is a need it is MLB. Burfict, Hightower and Kuechly are all far better options for a MLB spot and no way do you want to draft another smaller outside linebacker who struggles to disengage. We are weak against the run on the edges. Why add to that.

[Touch_30_Down]

I like Brown a hell of a lot more than Burfict or Hightower or Kuechly for us. I think his best fit is definitely the WILL linebacker but his instincts are pretty good and he's athletic enough to be solid in coverage/be a sideline to sideline backer. It isn't even a huge deal for me that he can't shed blocks because that is something that can be taught and he can still be a really good MLB without that. But my big problem with him is his intangibles, I don't even care that he has some red flags but the guy isn't a leader, you need that from your MLB. It's funny because all those others guys have this quality but there is something in their skill set that makes them less ideal, here you have a guy who can probably play the MLB position with decent success but he doesn't have the intangibles for the position. It's for that reason I'd still rate Irving as a better prospect than him too. He's not a perfect prospect and he doesn't do anything exceptionally well other than his great instincts but there really aren't holes in his game, I love that about him.

[THEdraftnik]

I've thought about this. Beason was drafted as an outside linebacker but moved to middle.

I was wondering if Zach Brown would be able to move MLB. I've read that he's a "freak". Very athletic.

We would have some very athletic and fast linebacking group.

Von-Brown-DJ. With Haggan-Irving-Woody. As back ups. Like Allen said he wants a very fast and disruptive playmakers. And then signing Jason Jones would be even more awesome.

Brown can't shed blocks and his former teammates have said he is immature.

Those are not traits that you want from your Mike backer.

[one5beast]

Interesting John Fox picked the best player of his regime at pick 25. Yes, Beason is better than Peppers, IMO.

Regardless, even if you disagree with that, he drafted his second best player at this spot.

They do say Zach Brown is comparable to Jon Beason...

I've thought about this. Beason was drafted as an outside linebacker but moved to middle.

I was wondering if Zach Brown would be able to move MLB. I've read that he's a "freak". Very athletic.

We would have some very athletic and fast linebacking group.

Von-Brown-DJ. With Haggan-Irving-Woody. As back ups. Like Allen said he wants a very fast and disruptive playmakers. And then signing Jason Jones would be even more awesome.

[BroncoFanBoy]

It may be easier to find a dynamic player in the Top 10, but if you scout good enough, you can find a great player at any pick in the draft. Plus, don't forget we drafted Al Wilson with the 31st pick in 1999. That guy had a pretty decent career, right?

[johnlimburg]

IMO, he'd be a great fit to play strongside backer in Denver's seemingly constantly used nickel package, and would also be completely capable at weakside backer in the 43, possibly sliding DJ to MLB when the traditional 43 is utilized.

Just another weapon for the defense.

Well I don't like that idea. DJ just had the best year of his career and should not be moved again. If any thing is done we should draft a MLB. Not another outside linebacker.

[THEdraftnik]

If you would have left 2005 off, this list would look a lot better.